Russia - threadbanned users in OP

briany · 31-12-2022 6:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120049955#Comment_120049955

I still see the odd claim that support for the war is very high in Russia, but apparently it's not high enough that all these eligible young men want to stay and fight for mother Russia themselves. It might lead people to the conclusion that support for the war in Russia is not as high as it appears, and the main thing buoying it up is the booming trade in double glazing.

Furthermore, looking at 1420's videos on Youtube, it's the older people with pensions who seem to be the most ardent about young Russians going to fight. Easy to be so when it's not their own arse on the line. Not yet, anyway.

rolling boh · 31-12-2022 6:23pm

There may well be a lack of support among some but they are not doing anything about it and its very difficult to do something .Putin can carry on launching attacks f rom within with very few attack o n his country and sadly he has a few buddies to keep things going by the looks of things .

31-12-2022 6:48pm

What worries me is that I'm seeing a place that's falling in line behind a 'strongman' authoritarian and one the has basically no culture of democracy. It might have art, pretty buildings, ballet and all sorts of stuff, but it has never really been through the same enlightenment experience that occurred in most of of Europe and the west more broadly.

They stood up against the Czarist regime of old and replaced it with a collectivist form of authoritarianism, never really having adopted anything even remotely like democratic values. It was just one crushingly all powerful system replacing the next. One type of unaccountable power replaced by another.

You see bubbles of protest, but the state has its tentacles into every aspect of life and seems to only have ever had a facade of pretending to be democratic in the 90s for a few years, while regularly using every power it had to intimidate, arrest, jail anyone who opposed it.

I talked with quite a few Russians in London who'd left and most of them just seemed to have turned their back on the place permanently if they had a bad experience, while others were just in that 'I don't talk about politics' kind of mode, which is also a feature of a society where talking about politics might get you into a lot of trouble. So, they focus on something else or they become highly critical about other countries' political upheavals, while completely ignoring their own.

I think we're probably kidding ourselves if we think that there's going to be a popular uprising in Russia. There isn't the desire to do so. It's a modern country on the surface of it but has really never moved on from feudal medieval leadership ideology. They seem to like their 'powerful king' and I suspect any solution to this is going to be a internationally driven diplomatic solution which creates a military stalemate. The Russian people are fundamentally cowed and fearful of their government and they're too weak to do anything about it or couldn't be bothered rocking the boat.

I don't really feel that the people fleeing should be pilloried for doing so. They can't organise within Russia and they're far better off out than in. At least there's some hope they might be able to live normal lives and impact Russian internal politics from outside.

It looks to me like Russia is still very much in Soviet mentality when it comes to control and oppression, but just it's now a sort of corporatist oligarchical company like state. It has more in common with a 1800s pre-democratic European imperial state than with anything else really.

It's also why I cannot in anyway understand why some morons on the far left of western politics seem to idolise Russia. It's neither left wing nor is it socialist. It's at best some kind of authoritarian state facilitated ultra capitalism.

If your argument is NATO is bad, therefore Russia must be good, then you're a complete moron and a simpleton of some sort. You can be critical of NATO's track record without getting into 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' nonsense.

cnocbui · 31-12-2022 7:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120048901#Comment_120048901

You just don't understand the subtle logic of mirage economics, developed by the horde during the soviet era: You see the real problem is not adequately equiping your forces, particularly new recruits, so when you can't adequately equip 300,000 conscripts, you have an even larger mobilisation, making sure you take even more manpower from the industries that currently can't produce enough materiel for your current armed forces or equip the last smaller mobilisation.

If 100 employees can't meet current demand, conscript 75 of them to improve things.

In soviet Russia, less is more less. It's profundly misunderstood innovations, like mirage economics, that have been delivering the results that have astonished the world.

jmreire · 31-12-2022 8:34pm

The Russians will have to be defeated militarily, and cleared out of Ukraine completely, inc. Crimea. Only when that happens will anything change in Russia. Waiting for internal change to happen, while possible, is very unlikely as things stand at present. Putin's control is just too strong.

junkyarddog · 31-12-2022 9:01pm

Some insight into the war and Putin's health from Danish millitary intelligence.

https://www.berlingske.dk/internationalt/danish-military-intelligence-suggests-drug-induced-megalomania-may

junkyarddog · 31-12-2022 9:11pm

Putin coughs and splutters his way though this short clip,is this the best he can now do?

In front of his rent-a-mob too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_W5jJtAJ-w

Gatling · 31-12-2022 9:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120050818#Comment_120050818

Seems faked

Say my name · 31-12-2022 9:51pm

Not sure what to make of this.

Form is there from the Russian secret service to launch false flag attacks on it's own people to gain favour for a war.

It happened already with the Chechen wars and the apartment bombings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

Watch tonight and tomorrow. Hopefully nothing happens. But with a new wave of mobilization due to begin on the 5th January and the borders being rumoured to be closed. There's a very real possibilty of Putin going back to his terrorist tendencies to gain support from the home population.

http://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1609267295565520900

zv2 · 31-12-2022 10:06pm

A picture paints 1000 words, lol

https://twitter.com/tking127/status/1609279484573749248?s=20&t=0oLVNdZ0ISQDTNydJsC5iQ

cnocbui · 31-12-2022 10:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120050803#Comment_120050803

Interesting. I once sold a car to a Dane who worked for their equivalent of GCHQ. He told me about that rule that no phones were allowed in meetings.

I don't share their belief that Putin has no rivals. I think Prigozhin is definitely manoeuvring and that the FSB aren't up for taking the Wagner group on.

TheValeyard · 31-12-2022 10:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120050994#Comment_120050994

Reports of explosions north and south of Moscow. But its very much unconfirmed.

If true and big If....we sure it's the Ukrainians and not a Russian false flag? Or just for the insurance money.

Lot more information needed

Bass Reeves · 31-12-2022 10:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120050953#Comment_120050953

I do not think the regular army would tolerate either Prigozhin or Kadyrov in charge. An intellegence servie never directly challenges anyone they pull strings in the background to achieve a result.

Wolf359f · 31-12-2022 11:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120050910#Comment_120050910

If they plan another round of mobilisation, a false flag like the apartment bombings may help keep the public onside.

cnocbui · 31-12-2022 11:17pm

This is another big exchange that we managed to carry out - 140 people are returning home

Among them are the wounded, as well as the defenders of Mariupol, Zmeinyi Island, volunteers of the TRO from Slavutych, fathers and sons who were in captivity together, as well as ours from the Bakhmut direction.

82 soldiers of the Armed Forces, 15 from the TRO, 22 from the National Guard, 11 from the Navy and 10 from the State Border Guard Service.

132 men and 8 women, 22 officers and 118 sergeants and soldiers...

Great news for the new year.

TheValeyard · 31-12-2022 11:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120051068#Comment_120051068

I tell you what. You go find them and report back here.

cnocbui · 31-12-2022 11:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120051056#Comment_120051056

I think you will find that is not the case and that they are amongst the worlds' most accomplished openers of windows, appreciators of Cathedral architecture and dispensors of highly active radio isotopes.

Ukrainian authorities on Wednesday announced the "neutralization" of a team of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) who were preparing to assassinate commanders of the Ukrainian Army's special operations forces.

The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) has indicated in a message on its Telegram account that the operation has been carried out by the Counterintelligence Department and added that the arrests have taken place in the capital Kiev and in the Sumy region. Nov 9

Ultimanemo · 31-12-2022 11:34pm

Russian propaganda fake video

cnocbui · 31-12-2022 11:41pm

Every day of sanctions for the war in Ukraine "cost" Russian oligarchs $330m, The Guardian

The combined losses of oligarchs close to Russian President Vladimir Putin are estimated at $95bn.

Roman Abramovich was the hardest hit, with his fortune shrinking by 57% to $7.8bn.

That's a shame.................................that their losses haven't been greater.

junkyarddog · 01-01-2023 12:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120050953#Comment_120050953

I don't think Prigozhin would be eligible due to the rule that nobody with a criminal record can be russian president.

Jinglejangle69 · 01-01-2023 12:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120051107#Comment_120051107

They look broken.

cnocbui · 01-01-2023 12:09am

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1606389179272859660

Video shows a wounded soldier, and an amazing heroine.

TheValeyard · 01-01-2023 12:14am

Not good

https://mobile.twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1609321431153737729

Jinglejangle69 · 01-01-2023 12:17am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120051225#Comment_120051225

Some of the comments there make me despair.

TheValeyard · 01-01-2023 12:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120051242#Comment_120051242

I wont publish links without them getting verified first.

Ultimanemo · 01-01-2023 12:31am

Russian propaganda fake video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeWHviwLMy8

bennyineire · 01-01-2023 12:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120050910#Comment_120050910

Or maybe they weren't false flag operations but indeed actual terrorist's attacks. People seem to forget how brutal that war was on the local population