Russia - threadbanned users in OP

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102452#Comment_120102452

Did you find the proof of Ukrainians still being in Soledar?

Or perhaps it doesnt exist 🤷‍♀️

In a few days when the Ukraine MoD admits Soledar is lost perhaps you'll believe it then

Dufflecoat Fanny

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1613614173979541536?t=Et-NpEmX73UR2OXQpAQ_9g&s=19

Preemptive copium a little too early... Stupid orcs 🤣🤣🤣

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102549#Comment_120102549

They are still there according to the Ukrainans...

But the Russians say......

We know you tell us what the Russians say every other day

cnocbui

"The Armed Forces of Ukraine denied Russia's statement about the "seizure" of Soledar.

The speaker of the Eastern Group of Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in an exclusive media comment denied this information of the Russian Ministry of Defense: "No, this is not true. Fighting is going on in the city."

However, he did not voice the details for obvious reasons."

That was posted at 11:27. While I am sure an official UA statement is insufficient for those with flacile egos on the line, it's enough for me.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102625#Comment_120102625

But the orcs are saying.......

Yada yada yada

Bitcoin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102568#Comment_120102568

😂😂😂

Retr0gamer

Pentagon now saying soledar hasn't been taken by the Russians and that there's a major disinformation campaign.

Current increase in fighting intensity is because the propaganda machine announced the capture of soledar early and they are desperate to make good on that claim.

timmyntc

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1613863342594031616?cxt=HHwWgIC8tZqKzOUsAAAA

😳uh oh

@timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102679#Comment_120102679

"... and that there's a major disinformation campaign."

@timmyntc getting a shout out by the Pentagon... impressive 🤣

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102687#Comment_120102687

Julian fan boy supreme.

All will become clearer in time but the one thing we know for certain is that Russian PR is full of **** and lies.

Retr0gamer

Washington Post unable to confirm Russian claims as of 3 hours ago.

Ukraine seem to be in operational silence mode which usually means they have an operation going on.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102695#Comment_120102695

Julian says they left 2 days ago...

German's hey 🤣

Perseverance The Second

I will say that the Russian Strategy for Bakhmut is quite intriguing.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-claims-success-in-ukraines-soledar-its-first-advance-in-months-11673429457?st=v62f6rtjbeymcc9

Mr. Prigozhin has said that his goal in the Bakhmut area isn’t so much to seize the city itself as to destroy Ukraine’s most combat-capable forces.

Western—and some Ukrainian—officials, soldiers and analysts increasingly worry that Kyiv has allowed itself to be sucked into the battle for Bakhmut on Russian terms, losing the forces it needs for a planned spring offensive as it stubbornly clings to a town of limited strategic relevance. Some of them say that it would make sense to retreat to a new defensive line on the heights west of Bakhmut while such a pullback can still be organized in a coordinated fashion, preserving the Ukrainian military’s combat strength.

“It’s not me, it’s King Leonidas who figured out that you should fight the enemy on the terrain that is advantageous to you,” said one Ukrainian commander in Bakhmut, referring to the ruler of Sparta who battled the Persian Empire at Thermopylae. “So far, the exchange rate of trading our lives for theirs favors the Russians. If this goes on like this, we could run out.”

Gatling

Ukraine army spokesman says not true .....

https://twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/status/1613859587421245447?s=20&t=G-F2MaTxt13lV0JatwQvxg

Bitcoin

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1613878313503571969

more evidence that the fight continues.

dennis72

Ukraine sources are a bit strange atm.

Russians never can be believed it'll be a patriot system taken out tomorrow

I suspect the black out is to keep orcs guessing

If Russia gets its ass handed in soledar it'll be another new general soon.

The kraut/frog arsehole leaders tardy inaction that are also threat to Ukraine.

Bitcoin

https://twitter.com/onyxusone/status/1613727743543230464

Julian showing his true colours and how he is not to be trusted by anyone.

Retr0gamer

Russian propagandists are on full steam on social media channels. There's a massive increase in them lately, all selling that Soledar has fallen. I mean the situation there sounds hairy but there's an air of if you say it enough times it will be true... or Julian will report it as his journalistic verification extends only as far as reading it on twitter/telegram. I was initially worried about the situation but reliable sources aren't able to confirm and the sheer volume of propagandists trying to sell it makes it seem like there's truth behind the push due to announcing it too early.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102633#Comment_120102633

Unfortunately as we have seen time and time again, if Ukraine say one thing and Russia say another, some posters will just naturally latch onto what Russia says as gospel.

There's misinformation on both sides during war, but there's a difference between misinformation and propaganda!

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102903#Comment_120102903

Ukraine has ferreted out 600 Orc sympathisers, agents, quislings, saboteurs, traitors, and their ilk, most of them 'Ukrainian', though a few Horde natives. They have a huge problem with the enemy within, but are dealing with it.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120103017#Comment_120103017

Of course they do but it's different. To put is simply their propaganda doesn't advocate for drowning russian children and raping russian women. They don't lie like the russian scum lie, calling this war just a special operation. They don't justify killing and raping children by claiming they were nazis.

And for what is worth I don't even claim to be objective. Russia is the enemy so I will support Ukraine simply because of this reason.

Bitcoin

https://twitter.com/Iseegawa/status/1613892052231544834

Member of the AFU reports fighting is going on and there is "good news".

orc offensive is in serious trouble.

cnocbui

For Gatling - some light reading ;-)

Will they really give 100-200-300-400 Leo2 tanks? Will 100 Leo2 and a few hundred Bradley on top? Hmm

A part is definitely only on paper, a part should be left for details, a part will have to replace the lost tanks. Even more modern versions of the Turkish Leopard were burning in Syria from ATGMs. Therefore, it is help, but not a panacea - they will also be lost.

Of course, it is necessary to negotiate with other countries as well. There are also Canadians - maybe thanks to the diaspora we will get something. There are the same Greeks with whom the Germans may agree on another tank exchange, etc.

If the Germans and the French already had a replacement for the Leopards and Leclercs in the form of a new European MGCS tank, it would greatly improve the resolution of the issue for us and the Germans. But this project is delayed and so far this tank is only in the project.

The Germans now have to make a strategic decision for themselves by "transplanting" the Armed Forces to their tanks, which will give battle to the Russian army. Part will be lost. In order to replenish the losses, it is necessary to immediately start producing new 2A7s to transfer to the existing operators. Take old 2A4 for Ukraine and give or promise to replace it with 2A7. Over time, it may even begin to transfer 2A5 or even 2A7 to Ukraine.

The MGCS project is thus delayed. The Germans need to become a tank nation again now. This is a very difficult decision. On the one hand, if German tanks can defeat the Russian army with Ukrainian hands, then in fact this is a hint to China and all its enemy neighbors.

After the "victory", Turks, Greeks, Azerbaijanis, Hindus and/or Pakistanis and many more countries can actually be in line for the leopards (cross your fingers).

This is on the one hand. On the other hand, at least for a year, the tank industry of Germany must switch to military rails. There will be a need for hundreds of new tanks in the coming years + hundreds of repairs and upgrades already this year. And in this way, Germany openly becomes a geopolitical rival of Russia and indirectly of China. That is, there is no question of any Berlin-Moscow-Beijing axis as a counterbalance to Washington.

A very difficult decision for the Germans, which they will be forced to accept. We are gradually entering the decisive weeks.

P.S. Yes, everything is not so simple. 30 "German" 2A4s have already been contracted for the Czech Republic (15) and Slovakia (15), which gave us the T-72. It seems that we should think again about the Polish PT-91 Twardy..."

Gatling

A Nato AWACS Aircraft is being deployed to Romania,I believe it's the first time we've seen one deployed so close to the war in Ukraine,

The question has to be will it be actively involved in intelligence and target gathering for the Ukrainans

pgj2015

Does anyone have any idea what will happen to Ukrainian men 18 to 60, who fled the Country once war started, what is likely to happen to them if they return to Ukraine once the war is over?

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120103017#Comment_120103017

The default Russian position is to lie. They have lied about the reasons for the invasion. Lied about how they are conducting the war. Lied about specific atrocities.

Ukraine has engaged in tactical military deceptions, as does Russia.

Start listing all the things Russia has lied about, all its false claims .. and you won't get to the Ukrainian ones.

Where there is doubt about battlefield claims, Ukraine has earned and is entitled to the benefit of the doubt.

Gregor Samsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120103053#Comment_120103053

The first is real. You can see the huge about of footprints that would be generated by the effort.

The second, third and forth are Photoshopped. No footprints at all (and there would be a massive amount of them when moving that many bodies), they're all in the exact same location, taken from the exact same vantage point in mid air (there'd be no snow left at all if they'd rearranged that many bodies that many times, and it would take so long, the light would change) , 2 and 3 have had Christmas lights added to the pylon structure, 4 had had the overhead wires edited out, and 2 has had the markers on the overhead wires (lust left of the pylon) photoshopped out.

There will be give and take of territory

https://twitter.com/ThreshedThought/status/1613547734019018754?s=20&t=qA1APj8IgHizQCxdWECIRw

Retr0gamer

I think Russia is pushing so hard for this Soledar win is that they won't get a win anywhere else they can sell to the Russian public. And they really need a win to sell the inevitable second round of mobilization. If they don't get a win it's going to be a very hard sell.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102802#Comment_120102802

Yeah, that is bollocks. Whether they take Bakhmut or not it is a strategic defeat for Russia. They have lost much men and equipment.