Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Gatling

Protest outside of the British embassy in Dublin...

https://twitter.com/DublinIrsp/status/1621988716842459138?s=20&t=oK7iako7YhzCmKAPX8YExA

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120205741#Comment_120205741

As has been previously pointed out, the cost of aid given to Ukraine by the United States pales in comparison to what they have invested in foreign wars over the past two decades, and the potential return of investing in military aid to Ukraine could be extraordinary if it leads to the end of Russia as a military superpower and Ukraine sitting under the umbrella of the West.

The reason right-wingers in the USA argue against military aid to Ukraine is simply that they would quite like to see Russia prevail. They like Putin. They like his ruthlessness and his intolerance. To them, his leadership is a model to follow. They want a world order in which this ideology dominates because, for the kind of right-winger who has emerged in the United States, liberal democracy cannot return the kind of government they so desperately crave so, to their mind, it is obsolete and must be expunged, by violence if necessary.

If it is allowed to emerge in that way, it will only lead to the further consolidation of power and control of resources in the hands of a small number of people. It will not have been worth it to 'own the libs', I can promise you.

Virgil°

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120205809#Comment_120205809

Thankfully looks like half the people in attendance are the cameras and media. Pack of insignificant mouth breathers.

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120205809#Comment_120205809

Cnuts.

Dohnjoe

Amazing to witness the ongoing spiral of detachment from any sort of reality

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1622283091518578693

CalamariFritti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120205836#Comment_120205836

That noble and unselfish military aid is based on a lease and loan agreement. The 'return of investment' is that they do their thing against Russia and end up owning whatever is left of the Ukraine after too. Plus fk up the EU economy. A win-win-win situation you might say. Yay all around and very noble indeed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_Democracy_Defense_Lend-Lease_Act_of_2022

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120205921#Comment_120205921

The sign claiming hundreds of Orc children murdered by Ukraine... they make it so easy to hate them.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120206032#Comment_120206032

Most aid to Ukraine is donated.

The US has a lot of legal red tape when sending arms to another country, so to circumvent that, they are using lend-lease to supply Ukraine. One specific to Ukraine, meaning they can lend Ukraine a tank and it's not strictly a requirement that Ukraine has to return it (if it's not possible, e.g. the tank has been destroyed). Great deal for Ukraine, and pretty generous of the US.

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120205809#Comment_120205809

In the American civil war. General Lee was emboldened by an anti war movement in the North to invade Maryland and Pennsylvania.

What we see here however is what's been occurring in Eastern Europe since the USSR broke up. Paid stooges to make the headlines and to look for the clueless to join their ranks. The Kremlin are masters of the mob. Till a larger mob comes along.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-T0nNzi7Iec

Bitcoin

https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1622101531142098944

orc position in Kreminna looking very vulnerable now. they are so occupied with Bakhmut and are wide open to attack in other sectors. Could very easily see an orc collapse here.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120205762#Comment_120205762

Steroids I'd say.

Whatever ailment he has

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120206032#Comment_120206032

🙄

Yeah, I think most of us are aware that countries don't tend to give away large stockpiles of arms out of simple goodness. You're not really giving anyone a geopolitics lesson, there.

The fact is that when a country is under attack and the odds look to be against them, they're going to take help from wherever they can get it. They're not going to dither because of potential ramifications of receiving the aid.

If there are two queues to stand in - one leading to rejecting aid and allowing yourself to be consumed by Russia under a vengeful Putin, or getting aid and having the potential to remain a country, which queue are you gonna be in? To quote Richard Pryor - I know which one I'm gonna be in. I'm gonna be in that looong muthafúcka.

Bitcoin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120204468#Comment_120204468

For all the noise here and on Twitter from the pro orc camp their progress has been extremely minimal. A few hundred meters here or a village with a population of 3 people there. Meanwhile the orcs are losing 1000 dead a day as their army is getting destroyed for the second time. These latest "offensives" will run out of stream in the next week few weeks and the orc front lines will be so depleted they are wide open to counter attack.

Ukrainians are being very smart about all this in the meantime. Letting the orcs destroy themselves while building up their strength.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120206032#Comment_120206032

You are mistaken. I am unaware of any weapons shipments to Ukraine that have fallen under the scheme, It's all been free gifts.

Washington does not yet use Lend-Lease in order to save the Ukrainian budget from suffering huge expenses in the future; the US military aid is now being transferred to Ukraine under other programs.

Source: Oleh Nikolenko, spokesperson for the Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, in a comment to Hromadske news agency

Details: Nikolenko has explained that the Lend-Lease mechanism implies the fact that the United States of America can transfer their defence equipment to Ukraine for rent or on leasing terms.

Quote: "The advantage of this tool is the speed of decision-making by the U.S. government, according to a simplified procedure, without excessive bureaucracy and the need for votes on each package of aid to Ukraine in the US Congress. The disadvantage is that the volume of supplies of American weapons within the limits of Lend-Lease directly depends on the financial capabilities of Ukraine."

Details: Nikolenko states that at this stage of the war, the USA decides to provide military aid to Ukraine at the expense of their own federal budget, since the insufficiency of aid or its ineffectiveness "will have fatal consequences for the entire free democratic world."

As the spokesperson emphasises, within the framework of the relevant US law on additional appropriations for the support of Ukraine, Kyiv currently receives security and defence assistance under three programs: Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI), Foreign Military Financing (FMF), and Replenishment of U.S. weapons stocks.

Under these programs, military aid is provided free of charge. That is, the current programs, unlike Lend-Lease, do not provide for compensation from Ukraine for the cost of the handed weapons, military equipment and ammunition.

https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-still-not-received-lend-153111029.html

Biden set up the lend-lease as an insurance policy in the run up to the mid term elections, in case the Republicans won big and then started trying to cut or block aid to Ukraine.

Under lend-lease, Ukraine could have asked for all sorts of things that Biden doesn't want them getting - like F-16 C/D, so to avoid that, he's been giving them stuff free to maintain control over what they get and when, and to preserve their economy. Had Ukraine used lend lease, there could have been F-16s and Abrams M1A2s and Bradley's operating in Ukraine before last Christmas. https://waves-ua.com/en/2022/04/29/57504/

Try another topic for your attempted negativity.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120206143#Comment_120206143

Ah, but they have been giving it all free.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120206203#Comment_120206203

Yeah, I read the post above. All the better, then.

Bitcoin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120205762#Comment_120205762

That is a shocking decline for one year.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120205921#Comment_120205921

Should be rounded up en masse and sent to Russia to do their bit at the frontlines.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120205809#Comment_120205809

Socialist pric5s.

See that Lula has refused to send Ukraine any ammunition, especially rounds for Leopards and Gepards.

The Biden administration is also concerned about the uptick in meeting between Cuba and Russia, China, and North Korea.

A new successor to the socialist block of the past?

There is a sizeable group of States that will back Russia and China for ideological reasons, for Anti West reasons, for monetary reasons.

There is also a lot of people in Europe who will talk about solidarity,peace, internationalism who are batting for Russia, not as blatantly as the Irps mind.

CalamariFritti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120206178#Comment_120206178

So you're saying under lend & lease Biden would have to give them anything they wanted. Surely you don't believe your own nonsense.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120206032#Comment_120206032

And not a word against Putins not insignificant efforts to not only fluck up the EU economy, but to physically split it up too.....ie:- Brexit-fashion. A strong and cohesive EU is the source of Putins greatest nightmares.

Say my name

A worthwhile endeavor. UK farmers are organising a delivery of 4wds to be driven to Ukraine laden with supplies.

Link in the post for anyone interested or wants to make a donation.

http://twitter.com/pickupsforpeace/status/1618601005368893441

pcardin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120205762#Comment_120205762

when week, insecure people are scared or nervous, they eat. food is comforting them. The more scared the more they eat. This fat cnut will eat himself to death, long before Hague tribunal.

saabsaab

One of the many mistakes that Hitler made in the east was not allowing his forces to fall back enough or at all. This allowed the Russians to bring up artillary to pound their positions until they were much weakened. Even if they were allowed to, he only allowed a few miles. The Russian artillary could stay put and just adjust range. The best way was to pull most back 25-40 miles to a new suitable position out of range and mine and prepare traps anti tank units dealing with the advancing Russians over the space between. Combined with a tank flank attack at the rright time this could trap the advance forces before they could fully move their artillary into position.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120206306#Comment_120206306

He is right to be concerned. Not so much about Cuba…. They are playing a rather fûcking idiotic game. About 160 kilometres off the US south coast. With around 70,000 active personnel, a few subs and boats… I would not imagine it might take a great effort to delete Cuba off the map if it was understood to be conspiring with Russia/China in an attack against the US or US interests.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120205745#Comment_120205745

They have but not the whole of Moldova,yet

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120206517#Comment_120206517

No idea how you got that view out of the comment. The Ukraine can ask, but it's up to the US to decide what to supply. It's an excellent deal for the Ukrainians, a literal life-saver.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120206517#Comment_120206517

Not anything, just what's on the lend-lease shopping list, part of which is given in the link I included. I haven't read the T&Cs of the lend lease signed, but it would hardly be useful insurance if every request to tap into it could be vetoed.

From the Ukraine side, it is clear their senior ministers believe thay can get what's on the lend-lease menue because back in April when it was signed, they posted the list on a government Telegram channel, saying look at the lovely menu.

But as I said, it was insurance, and Biden wants to stay in control of what Ukraine gets, so lend lease hasn't been used. I am guessing that Biden told them you either get what I am prepared to give for free, or you activate lend lease and you pay for everything. With the total damages bill running at least $750 billion, and Ukraine having enormous immediate costs it's struggling with now, like just repairing the electricity grid, it's not hard to see which is the sweeter and most affordable deal.

The US arms, training, intel and ammo, are all free. Lend lease is not being used.

When I say free, I mean financially, there will likely be a quid-pro-quo cost, but that won't necessarily hurt.

blarney_boy

Seeing as we're discussing advanced accountancy and lend lease / long term interest payments, it's time for another shameless plug for Peruns latest video blog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj9HD8MdAFs

A couple of interesting points, when America announces 3 billion dollars in military aid, that's the cost of the equipment in 2022 prices, some of this stuff has been sitting in depots / boneyards for 20 plus years and they're basically delighted to be getting rid of it and it's associated maintenance costs

And for those that are saying, well we're not give aid - in fact it's actually a dept trap for Ukraine. Under the terms of the finance agreements (drawn up by the EU) no interest is due on these aid loans until 2035 and we all know with the current spike in inflation when 2035 comes around 30 billion is probably going to be the average industrial wage! So the loan terms are extremely generous from the 'decadent west'

TLDR: Hail Capitalism / Slava Ukraini

Francie Barrett

https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1622487895838797825?t=m4naH82IHNBRqBwOUld3wQ&s=19

Elon Musk continuing to promote Russian disinformation.