Russia - threadbanned users in OP

AerLingus747

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445260#Comment_120445260

no

johnnyskeleton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445252#Comment_120445252

What would you propose as a reasonable compromise? Territorial concessions? Allowing political control over another sovereign state? Reparations? Go on, tell us what peace terms might reasonably be agreed between the parties.

The reality is that the parties are too far apart for neogtiations. Ukraine wants its freedom and independence. Russia wants it not to have those things. These are incompatible demands as far as I can see, but Id welcome your thoughts since you think peace can be achieved.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445252#Comment_120445252

No its a matter of survival for a nation called Ukraine,since Russias occupied areas is the lifeline to Ukraines survival,meaning the resources that is in those areas,gas,minerals etc are worth billions,and Ukraine wants it back.

Same goes for Crimea that controls the shipping in and out of Ukraine,that Russia uses as blackmail

When Russia leaves those areas,then they will have peace talks

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445434#Comment_120445434

Why not use modern weapons and defeat them now instead of agreeing to something and then breaking that agreement (pretty much the Russian way so best not copy that)

johnnyskeleton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445434#Comment_120445434

Just a few posts ago you were all about peace, now youre all about guerilla warfare?

eire4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445037#Comment_120445037

To be fair given the large sums of money we are having to pay to take care of the 80,000 approx Ukrainian refugees in the country never mind the cost that will have for our tourism industry this summer with less bed capacity means that the Russian dictator may not be directly attacking us but he is certainly doing so indirectly and costing us large sums of money.

TheRepentent

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445497#Comment_120445497

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zaQgbACc1E

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445497#Comment_120445497

¿Qué?

Francie Barrett

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oXM-_t1sBY

Ammunition is the bottleneck.

storker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445188#Comment_120445188

The first question is for the Ukrainians to decide for themselves. Their actions appear to confirm that they've made that decision.

The answer to the second question is the same as the first. It's interesting, though that you give yourself away by saying a Russian withdrawal is not an option. Pardon me, comrade, but your ancestry is showing.

My proposal, funnily enough, is for the Russians to turn 180 degrees and **** off back to Russia.

Now, do you actually have anything of any value to contribute or is this vacuous faux-peacenik posturing all you have to offer?

Polar101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445705#Comment_120445705

So what would the point of the ceasefire be, if both parties will continue fighting after it? To give Russia time to rebuild their forces?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445705#Comment_120445705

Russia can withdraw tomorrow, then they can negotiate how exactly how they are planning to pay for the reconstruction of Ukraine

Gatling

Why don't you tell us what your last account and save us the effort of repeating the same thing over and over

storker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445846#Comment_120445846

Which part of "that's up to the Ukrainians" are you having trouble understanding?

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445893#Comment_120445893

Did you miss all the ceasefire violations and shelling of civilian corridors by Russia?

You dont see much do you.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445252#Comment_120445252

I'm a bit behind... catching up.

So, when Hitler turned on his Russian mates and invaded Russia, at what stage do you think Stalin should have looked for peace to save Russian lives?

rubbledoubledo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119673963#Comment_119673963

Just wondering what will become of Russia, if Ukraine win the war , I presume sanctions will not be lifted, who would replace Putin, will it become a massive killing field , probably no one will trade with them either, probably a few more nut cases trying to get their hands on the bombs. We on very shaky ground now

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120443583#Comment_120443583

Previously covered, post deleted,

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445497#Comment_120445497

Why would the West want to deplete Russia... Are you somewhere where you cannot get Russian propaganda? The official mouthpieces for Putin and senior Muscovy politicians have openly called for the destruction of the west. These langers need to be defanged, and if that means sanctions for a hundred years and continued support for Ukraine against the war criminal, rapist, child abductor rapists then that's a great thing for the world, is it not? That's not a rhetorical question by the way... don't you think war criminals, rapists and child abductor/rapists should be stopped?

rubbledoubledo

The scary thing in all of this , is Putin has no reverse gear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445893#Comment_120445893

Can you show a time Russia hasn't broken a ceasefire in Ukraine... you cannot, because they kept killing fleeing civilians. You see Bev, you don't mind if I call you Bev do you? You see, Bev - in the west, with access to free media, we can see that your comrades, marauding soldiers are mostly scum, and their leaders not to be trusted. So, go ahead Bev, try and convince us that Russia can be trusted (despite all the evidence to the contrary) - but, you might want to start with something easy first and work your way up. How about convincing us the world is flat... that's going to be a lot easier, Bev.

SortingYouOut

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445996#Comment_120445996

I don't agree with the poster you're arguing with when I ask this - do you read the words of a sane person when you read this post from yourself? Your point that was there in earlier posts has been lost now among this nonsense. Do yourself a favour and refrain from the over emotional shite, it reads like someone is under your skin.

jmreire

I doubt very much that Putin ever dirtied his hands, never mind working in any kind of hazardous environments. But he does have one unbeatable and implacable foe : Father Time. Average life span for males in Russia is 71.34 years, and for women its 76.5 years. and this is best case scenario. Many Russians do not even reach the late 60's. I do not know what or even if he has any serious illnesses, but I doubt very much despite the best health care his stolen wealth can provide, his card is marked, and he 's not in perfect health.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120446079#Comment_120446079

If Russia had reasonable terms to proffer, then by all means sit down and talk, but when the leader of Russia does not even believe that Ukraine is a real country, it's not hard to see how Ukraine would regard any possible negotiations as being on shaky ground to begin with. Putin's own words are telling - he wrote himself that he believed that Ukraine could only be sovereign in partnership with Russia. Reading between the lines on that, he means that if Ukraine wishes to break with Russia, it cannot be allowed to exist as an independent state. He also wrote that modern Ukraine's borders are a result of Bolshevik idealism and that Russia was 'robbed indeed' by how lands were allocated.

So any negotiation with Russia at this point hinges on the idea that Ukraine should be prepared to cede significant amounts of land to Russia, and this isn't even talking about Crimea, but at least any bit of land laying east of the Dnieper. There is a huge chunk of Ukraine that Russia could regard as their historical land - a portion larger than Ukraine wants to give and, frankly, larger than they have to give, given how they are holding Russian forces from even taking the Donbas, never mind marching to Kyiv. If Putin wants a proper negotiation, he will have to recognise that he cannot have things his own way and drastically downscale his ambitions upon Ukraine.

I would say the idea, for one, of barring Ukraine from NATO membership would be off the table now (this is something Zelensky was willing to offer at the outset, and still talks broke down). It would be the only thing preventing Russia from rebuilding its forces and attempting a fresh attack upon Ukraine in years to come. But, as a compromise, an agreement could be signed not to place any long range missiles on Ukrainian soil (in peacetime, at least).

Russia could have an internationally-recognised referendum on Crimea, as opposed to the rushed kangaroo one they held in 2014. In return, Russia withdraws forces from the rest of Ukraine.

Russia would have to pay reparations. This could take the form, at least partly, of not protesting the funds which have already been seized.

Putin would agree to step down as Russian leader within 5 years.

Azov battalion to be disbanded.

UN peacekeepers dispatched to Donbas.

Return of all Ukrainians forcefully deported.

In my opinion, this would be a fitting compromise as things stand. Russia would do well to take this if offered. These terms are as good as it will get.

pcardin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445465#Comment_120445465

pfft, hes working off his script. Let him. A different clown every day but they all use the same script.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120443530#Comment_120443530

The longer it goes on the greater the chance of the Ukrainian backers in the West stopping. Germany's Socialist party has said the supply of weapons is ending from them .

Say Labour get in in Britain. Starmer wouldn't be suspect but still lots of old style reds in Labour that will step up for Russia.

America is again flirting with withdrawing from the world.

A global financial crisis might change perspectives.

China is delighted to see a longer war tying up its enemies in the West.

There are many reasons why Putin would want a more drawn out affair.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120444534#Comment_120444534

He also tried to force European NATO countries to arm up and invest in their armies because of belligerent Russia.

That went down like a lead balloon. Lucky for Russia that Merkel was on the job.

If they had listened we would see a much greater supply of weapons to Ukraine now.

Merkel may or may not have been a Russian asset but either way she was the greatest aid to Putin internationally.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445164#Comment_120445164

Ang getting plenty of help from international brigades as well.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120445102#Comment_120445102

You have been in close proximity to the fighting yourself?

macraignil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120446191#Comment_120446191

I've already mentioned about the conditions for negotiations that Ukraine made public and again I repeat what I have seen is that putin has given no indication he would agree to any of them so as I have already said there currently seems to be nothing for them to talk about. Looks to me like there is going to be a lot more moskovytes liquidated in Ukraine when if they had any sense they would simply march back home. Ukraine has made it quite clear they have no intention of invading russia so the moskovytes have nothing to fear if they just stop killing Ukrainians in their homeland and leave.