Russia - threadbanned users in OP

storker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121061644#Comment_121061644

"The Cassandra Crossing" flashback...

storker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062060#Comment_121062060

"I'm not a mystic meg."

Funny that, I was about to congratulate you on your superb impression of her.

Seanmadradubh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062133#Comment_121062133

 "It's hard to understand what's the malfunction in the Russian military."

This is so funny, lol.

You are so close to getting it, but something is stopping you making the link. That something is your obsession with lines on a map, Ukraine are slowly degrading Russias ability to fight effectivly, while improving their own, or to put it another way..... Ukraine are winning.

20silkcut

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062150#Comment_121062150

Putin wants all of Ukraine to the Carpathian Mountains. He also wants Belarus and Moldova. And when he achieves that and draws breath he’ll start agitating in the Baltics and probably put a sort of iron curtain between himself and Poland at the very least.

The fact that he is currently bogged down a thousand miles east of those objectives with little hope of any sort of rapid advance and shocking level of attrition to just hold those meagre incursions is a geopolitical disaster for Russia overall.

The 2022 Russian/Ukraine war has been a military failure for Russia. It’s hard to see the overall historical context when you’re living in real time. But this was supposed to be a re-birth of the old Russian empire. This was supposed to put the boundaries of Russia back into the heart of Central Europe like it was in the 19 th and 20th centuries.

The history books when they are written will show that in 2022 Russia advanced into territory that they already had a foothold in since 2014 and went little further. Such meagre territorial progress after almost 2 years of savage fighting is essentially a defeat in relation to the lofty ambitions that drove this invasion.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062039#Comment_121062039

You have just shown everyone why you get accused of parroting propoganda and Ukraine supporters don't.

It's because as you just said yourself Ukraine supporters will happily call bullsht on pro Ukraine misinformation.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062150#Comment_121062150

"I don't think" "I don't think"

Putin tried for Kyiv and failed. Now he can't push on. Not doesn't want to but can't.

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062060#Comment_121062060

Kermit, I would like to know your take in relation to the following - assuming it’s all happening / part off the UKr strategy:-

(1) that Ukr’s effort re carrying out offensive will speed up once the first very heavily mined line of defence is removed eg a km a day might become 5 km a day and progressing to 10 km a day when UKr reaches the third line of defence.

(2) UKr bombing the Ru positions behind the defence lines disrupting railway tracks , road supply routes, army accommodation, groups of soldiers, , ammunition storage facilities, air strips, etc, etc, etc, etc. all with a view to cutting off supply lines and disrupting/slowing down supply of all services and generally making nowhere is safe for any army/army related vehicle in the occupied territory

(3) Bombing targets in Russia itself which will spread / stretch The Ru army effort to protect itself ie widen the front of the war. Also Russian pop will get to know that there is some kind of a war going on And that it is coming to their front door and they don’t like it. It puts Putin wondering where else will Ukr/ opposition inside Russia/ maybe even Putin himself attack and will the bombs get more frequent /bigger

(4) All wars are draining on finances and most especially is this one on Russia - not only because of the actual cost to finance the war but the effect the sanctions are having on reduction of needed supplies, increased cost of same if they get through, questionable quality if imports and major constraints on exports. It’s also costing Ukr BUT it has very, very serious backers

are you saying that all of the above is for Naught/ waisted effort and that Ru will hold on to most/all of what it currently occupies bar a few Km of a gain by Ukr?????????

Homelander

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062133#Comment_121062133

Hard to know if it's incompetence or a plan....I've read some comical cope on this thread but that's hilarious.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062296#Comment_121062296

The role of that poster, either by intention or as a result of exposure to whatever pro-Russian sites they enjoy, is to seed doubt. The point is to undermine any confidence the Western World may have in Ukraine, and to big up the Russian Federation as a monolithic unstoppable force.

But we’ve been paying attention. We know how spent the Russians are. We know how badly the Ukrainians want victory, and the herculean efforts they’ve put in so far and will continue to put in with a NATO supply chain at their back.

Like I said before, watch out for these posters and this kind of post. These protests that Ukraine must stop and sue for peace will increase with the desperation of the Russians themselves.

TedBundysDriver

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062235#Comment_121062235

That's too true. It's not about Putin, it's about the mentality of the people who determine Russia's fate. Yes, Putin is a threat to world stability, but whoever comes after him would likely be even worse. And if he fails in Ukraine, others in his place would want to succeed. I really can't see an acceptable to both sides solution that can last a decade, never mind forever. Even if Ukraine cedes territory and Russia promises territorial integrity and nonaggression, we already know how that ends.

It is critical that Russia is pushed back to the original borders much like the outcome of the Korean war. Even if it ends in armistice, not peace treaty, it's essentially the same as Russia could always start a war.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062210#Comment_121062210

Really?

Let's see.

Russia attacked Ukraine on three fronts in February 2022. They made a beeline for Kyiv. The objective was clearly to rapidly overwhelm the country, take the capital, replace the government, and bring the country back into Russian vassaldom, never to break free again.

What was Ukraine's objective? Prevent this. Few people gave them a realistic long term shot of doing so, and yet here we are. The Kyiv government remains in tact. An overwhelming proportion of Ukrainian territory remains under Kyiv's control. If you don't believe me, go check a map of the current frontlines and work out the percentages for yourself.

If Putin were to genuinely settle for what Russia currently occupies, he would regard it as an abject failure. Some reality for the realist.

20silkcut

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062386#Comment_121062386

if Russia lived in peace and harmony with its neighbours there would be absolute zero threat to its security from the North European plain. Less than zero. Unlike in the 20th century there are no expansionist empires on that plain.

because it is a kleptocracy the kleptocrats within feel threatened. If it was a democracy there would be no feeling within Russia of threat. That’s been stated thousands of times on this thread.

There are many formerly murderous empires living cheek by jowl in Western Europe in the longest period of peace on the continent in century’s. No one in Europe wants a bloody war.

robinph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062210#Comment_121062210

Ukraine are fighting for survival. They are not trying to win, merely not to lose.

The fight to survive will continue until Russia get bored/ tired and leave. Ukraine don't need to be "winning" by wiping out Russia, they just need to still exist and they are winning.

The more Russia destroy themselves in the process the better for everyone.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062013#Comment_121062013

Ukraine does not need to take back all of their territories' all at once. They only need the part that gives them dominance over Russian supply and logistics routes. And that's what they are working on, and very successfully too! Does not matter if the "few sq kilometer's" you mention has a population of 50 or 5'000 , its the fire point that it has that's important. Once they break the Russian supply chains, that's it for Putin. He's war will be reduced to long range bombing, and while that's effective, so is the Ukrainian's increasing ability to defend it self, not to mention also it ability to strike back at the heart of Putins empire, Moscow itself. Putin is running out of tricks.......( and everything else too!!, especially time )

antodeco

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121061986#Comment_121061986

Government's plans for multiple things, doesn't mean it's going to happen (it's basic disaster planning concept). Remember the Iodine tablets? That was part of a plan of a "just in case" not part of a plan of "it's about to happen!!!"

Seanmadradubh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062210#Comment_121062210

You can believe anything you like but your believing something does not make it reality.

Ukraine have been taking back territory since the Russian retreat from Kiev and are on the verge of a breakthrough in the south, Russian morale is in the gutter, the wealthiest nations on the planet are supplying the AFU, while the Russian economy slowly sinks into the Black Sea as they beg for materiel from North Korea, lol.

Ukraine will win this, not by fighting over every inch of land, but by degrading the Russian war machine and that is exactly what they are doing.

briany

Has Russia managed to capture a single one of the tanks or other armour donated to Ukraine since earlier this year?

Hande hoche!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062563#Comment_121062563

As regards the tanks, there was footage of Russian infantry near a Leopard 2. Although if I recall correctly the Ukrainians pushed them back and recovered it. More broadly there were some captured M113 models including part of an Australian donation. Think a M113 was videoed with Z type markings. So at least Vietnam era albeit updated APCs falling into their mitts.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062386#Comment_121062386

It needs more than a pushback to the original borders, inc Crimea, but militarily and economically Russia needs to be destroyed, so that even if Putins replacement turns out to be even more of a tyrant, with much worse ambition's he won't have the wherewithal to wage war. He will be too busy trying to keep a restless population under control.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062133#Comment_121062133

Kermit, its malfunction on a massive scale, and its caused by Vladimir Putin's using the Russian Federation as his ( and his cronies) personal bank. The whole lot under Putin is one massive FcK up! ( also in a massive scale )

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062586#Comment_121062586

I’m living in some hope that this war in itself will sweep the legs of Russia’s military capabilities. Their response to the Wagner Rising really seemed to suggest that almost every manned gun Russia has available is deployed to Ukraine. Beyond some token garrisons dotted around Russia, I feel that their forces to Ukraine is pretty much all they have.

If that force is defeated, they’d be back to square one, and I feel practically demilitarised. They’d still need to be contained, but an intact NATO with Ukraine as part of it, would likely be well able for the job.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062633#Comment_121062633

I find it interesting that @Kermit.de.frog is a geopolitical analyst when it comes to stating why they think Ukraine cannot push Russia out, but has then only read the forward of an Anthony Beevor when it comes to figuring out why Russia isn't advancing.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062638#Comment_121062638

NATO membership would definitely drive Russia ( regardless of who is in charge ) to seek softer targets to pick on. Then let them stew in their own mess. Hopefully, without Putin, the Russian people themselves will rise up and sort out their own future, but that will take some doing, even without the threat of prison for anyone speaking out against Putin like tactics. The serf-like mindset is still prevalent amongst the majority of Russians. But maybe this time, the younger and better educated Russians will bring change, that is if they can be persuaded to return.

rgossip30

Russia will surrender any day now and all territory will be returned to Ukraine .

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062657#Comment_121062657

I'm sort-of surprised the Georgians, Armenians and Chechens haven't "tested the water" when it comes to kicking RuZZia out. RuZZias military is big, but seriously inept and ffs prosecuting its war with museum pieces. Isn't Kadyrov an actor in the Ukraine theater, posting tiktoks or whatever? I'm surprised he still has his head, I think his son is pushing up the daisies now in Checen. You have many great insights into RuZZia, any thoughts?

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062638#Comment_121062638

And it would have all been completely unnecessary for Russia. Russia had been doing more to advance Russian interests when it had the online trolls out, doing to western democracy what Fred Dibnah did to old chimneys. Just light a few fires at the base and watch the thing come crashing down. Russia deciding to try and really flex its muscle has had the complete opposite effect and undid much of what they had been doing.

TheValeyard

Ukrainians definitely making substantial progress down South,

All this talk of a Russian offensive up North will achieve nothing since Sky News is reporting that Russia is withdrawing forces up North and East to reinforce down South.

They wouldnt do this unless they thought Russian lines were about to collapse.

If they loose the South, they will probably loose the war.

TedBundysDriver

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121062791#Comment_121062791

They've already lost the war.

yagan

I'm not going to mention names as I've been warned before but checking into this thread one of the usual suspects is spreading sillage.

Some stink.

Igotadose

A summary of events yesterday from a Youtuber who has blogged a lot about the war. Others will be able to state whether this fella's reliable enough, but seems like it to me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-074H9B37TE

"The biggest news comes from the Tokmak direction. After the loss of Robotyne, Russian sources started circulating information about the Russian plans and claimed that the retreat from Robotyne was done to allow Ukrainians to get deep inside the pocket to close in in the future with as many Ukrainians as possible. Russians also conducted an information operation and released fake documents to claim that Ukrainians received an order to kill every Russian soldier that surrenders. The goal of this information operation is to scare Russian troops and force them to fight till the end instead of surrendering.The biggest news comes from the Tokmak direction. After the loss of Robotyne, Russian sources started circulating information about the Russian plans and claimed that the retreat from Robotyne was done to allow Ukrainians to get deep inside the pocket to close in in the future with as many Ukrainians as possible. Russians also conducted an information operation and released fake documents to claim that Ukrainians received an order to kill every Russian soldier that surrenders. The goal of this information operation is to scare Russian troops and force them to fight till the end instead of surrendering."

Dohnjoe

To address views that "F16s will make no difference"

https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1697998508446323085