Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121158297#Comment_121158297

It's going to more than a single mistake or several before it becomes something,but then again it could have the opposite effect people are expecting NATO countries will do absolutely everything they can't to stop themselves getting dragged into open conflict with Russia or anyone else

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121158297#Comment_121158297

I think that for the sake of this conflict not escalating into something much bigger, the NATO countries which surround Ukraine are probably pretty willing to differentiate between a mistake and a genuine act of aggression from Russia. If a couple of Russian missiles land in Polish fields, it would likely amount to a stern warning and renewed Polish support for Ukraine's fight. Obviously, there would be limits to how far this can stretch - a Russian missile ploughing into a NATO country's population centre would be a matter that probably couldn't be squared and would demand retaliation or else fundamentally undermine the whole principle of the NATO alliance.

As worst, Russia would seek to operate in the grey zone where targeted attacks on NATO soil are played off as accidents. However, I very much doubt they would try any strategy of the sort. They can barely handle a NATO backed Ukraine, never mind actual NATO.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121158352#Comment_121158352

I don't see many NATO countries who are looking for an excuse to get involved in this fight.

They're all happy to simply pay for a Russian defeat.

Dubh Geannain

Another movie script writes itself.

https://twitter.com/dim0kq/status/1706038657591681039?t=y-1SqsSBaLxCCHB8NTyoLA&s=19

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121157509#Comment_121157509

Putins Russia is a place where he is at the very apex of power, its arranged in such a way that the layers directly beneath him are totally dependent on him for their own survival. And they in turn exercise the same power on the layers beneath them. Only two things might change all that. (1) Putin gets killed. or (2) massive collapse of the very base of the pyramid, and the whole structure comes tumbling down. But until either of these events take place, for Putin, it's steady as she goes.....unfortunately. As for retaliation....Putin is going to continue his murderous war in Ukraine until he's stopped, once and for all. "Soft" responses from Ukraine will only trigger even more harsh responses from the monster they call Putin. No, the shoe needs to be on the other foot, Its Putin who now needs to choose his targets carefully because of the Ukraine response. And Its coming to that stage.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121158399#Comment_121158399

It will be interesting too see how much this was varified, those lads who surrendered at at azoztal works were in rag order many injured and in a good few suffered amputations with little or no medical supplies ,they physically had no water,food or ammunition left, and those who did surrender went on to be tortured, physically, emotionally and sexually,

Dubh Geannain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121158473#Comment_121158473

I listened to a few Cossack Gundi interviews and always wondered if many considered this option. They were scavenging and rationing supplies. If a bulk surrender the supplies are greater for lesser numbers. I'd say more attempted it but did not succeed.

jmreire

Quote:- " until the USSR 2 group in the Kremlin is removed, nothing will change" UnQuote. Says it all.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121158498#Comment_121158498

There is a few reports of attempts to break through and pretty most got killed some did this was documented, it seems he had a very short stay going by that interview,

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121158527#Comment_121158527

For sure, but the problem is: who's left to take over and bring Russia to even a semblance of sanity? I fear they don't exist anymore, having been rooted out by Putin and friends. At very best, we might get a christian-nationalist zealot who'll say the right things to get sanctions lifted - but if they're even vaguely eyeing the old USSR map with fondness, it's back to the same problem after a few years of them rebuilding the military.

Sleepy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121158297#Comment_121158297

One would imagine that Romania will fortify the area with NATO standard air-defense and other bordering countries will follow suit rendering this avenue of attack futile (or at least extremely expensive)?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121158563#Comment_121158563

They don't have alot of NATO airdefences in Romania,4 patriots for the whole country and mostly other older systems mixed with Soviet equipment mixed with a few F16s , they do currently have NATO aircraft flying patrols over the country

jmreire

Oh, Zelensky knew all right that Putin was going to invade, but wanted to play it down and hopefully prevent it from happening, or at least delay it as long as possible. And it didn't help his case to be speaking about something before it had happened, especially when it was a war with Russia that was being discussed. Had he admitted that war was coming, Putin most likely would have used that statement as a Ukrainian declaration of war on Russia. But like the paddling duck, while Zelensky all was all peace on the surface, underneath, the feet were paddling like hell preparing for war. He gave Putin every chance not to invade. It was all a diplomatic play.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121158549#Comment_121158549

I don't know either, but I imagine that at the least, there will be war between various private military groups, and whoever comes out on top will be in the driving seat, for awhile anyway. After that, it will remain to be seen if the Russian population as a whole are prepared to accept more of the same.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121158668#Comment_121158668

Do we know if there are any simmering separatist tensions across the Federation? I'd imagine not given Putin's method of dealing with dissent but I've wondered if Putin's death would cause cracks to show across it's more outlying regions.

TedBundysDriver

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121158395#Comment_121158395

And stand on the sidelines watching as millions of Ukrainians become refugees, children are stolen and countless numbers die.

But but but latest weapons package etc....

TedBundysDriver

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121158668#Comment_121158668

Sounds like fun in a nation with enough nuclear weapons to wipe out humanity a few times over.

I do wonder if the lack of will from NATO nations to defeat Russia has something to do with the possible breakdown of law and order and where the nukes end up in such a scenario. Let's hope they have a plan ready to go if it becomes a free for all if Putin is eventually over thrown.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121158791#Comment_121158791

Daily FUD dose. Lack of Will from Nato nations - you mean, the Ukrainians are defeating Russia pretty handily lately using their own weapons systems? Or, are you agitating to kill more Russians? I doubt that's on your "agenda."

Any comments on the recent Ukrainian successes, or for that matter, any comments from you praising the Ukrainian war effort? Likely to be a first.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121158403#Comment_121158403

I think we may already be at the stage whereby Russia can't give a commensurate response to Ukranian attacks, such as the one on the Navy Headquarters in Crimea. Most of their missiles are being shot down, whereas Ukraine have the ability to strike key Russian military targets and there is nothing Russia can seemingly do about it. If they were capable of mounting an effective response, Ukranian intelligence would now be feeling the heat in revenge attacks, instead the Russians managed to hit an hotel and warehouses storing grain in response . A weak and pathetic response

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121159032#Comment_121159032

That applies (hitting key military targets) to Crimea, Ukraine has gradually degraded its air defence protections and we've seen major hits on air bases, ships etc there. Plus it is in range of more of its weapons.

I think Russia hit Odessa as they had to be seen to do something in response. It was a 'sting' rather than full assault. Looks like Russia is stock piling for some 'eagle day' type missile assault to overwhelm defences. There is no point in hitting piecemeal.

Gatling

@nacho libre Russians managed to hit an hotel and warehouses storing grain in response . A weak and pathetic response.

A response that gets felt on the world's market each time causing grain prices to increase on top of already inflated prices,

NATO weapons kill a few Russians , Russia in turns burns tons of grain the world feels the effects,

Weak or calculated

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121158782#Comment_121158782

And not watch thousands of their own soldiers die in a war that doesn't directly involve them.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121158549#Comment_121158549

Depending on how depleted the Russian military becomes in the current conflict, there may not be a feasible route to rebuilding Russia's military. Besides, you can order the gear, but you still need people to work it, preferably able-bodied young men. But you also need the same sort of people to work various jobs that need doing around Russia itself. Despite what a few people like to claim or hint, Russian manpower is not inexhaustible. And that's before you get to there being political will for renewed conflict, with chances being fairly good that if Putin is toppled, a big factor if it will be the Russian public being utterly fed up of the Ukrainian conflict and the problems it's causing for their society. And even then you would have the fact that Ukraine would obviously use the intervening years to stock up on AA and triple-fortifying their borders, making another invasion attempt an endeavour at least as costly to Russia as the current one.

This is why Russia cannot currently quit the conflict of their own volition. If they agree to retreat, they will never again be able to occupy as much of Ukraine as they currently do, which isn't a whole lot of the country and certainly nothing like meeting their ambition circa February 2022.

Paddigol

Guardian carrying an update from Russia that Sokolov wasn't killed. Purported video of him in a meeting

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121159541#Comment_121159541

But we already celebrated his death ,

Can't trust the internet for anything these days 🤣🤣🤣

https://www.politico.eu/article/russian-admiral-viktor-sokolov-death-ukraine-war/

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121159541#Comment_121159541

The Russians are using zombies now.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121157768#Comment_121157768

Was pointing out that even those who most needed to see it, like the Ukrainian government, often preferred to look away in the build up to the war. What seems blindingly obvious now was something many people just couldn't or didn't want to believe would happen.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121159724#Comment_121159724

Seems nobody is staying dead

Ramzan Kadyrov appeared in video supporting his son who was filmed recently beating a prisoner who was accused of burning a Koran despite claims Ramazan was brain dead last week..

https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/26/chechen-leader-praises-son-for-beating-up-prisoner

rogber

Sokolov also back from the dead?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66926400

Gatling

I hoping to see Prigozhin appear in a video saying he's back ,

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