Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277189#Comment_121277189

At the expense of sounding like it’s some sort of morbid “entertainment” , yes I agree. Whilst I had my doubts about the Ukrainian offensive earlier this year I really was hoping that they would make inroads. My guess now unfortunately is that Russia will play the long game and just literally throw men at this conflict, maintain a stalemate of sorts but very slowly make inroads overall.

I think the international community will also adopt a different approach and may push for some form of talks to take place - Israel has taken the no1 spot for attention in terms of western nations- I don’t think this will end well for Ukraine and after all their spirit and hard work.

goodlad_ourvlad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277263#Comment_121277263

that's probably the most naive take on international politics I've seen in a good while :-D

It's not a case of "top news story takes precedence of all people and resources".

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277263#Comment_121277263

Russia playing the long game does not really bode well for them. I'd almost argue that it's more critical for Russia to sue for peace soon than for Ukraine. The main big hope for Moscow is that they can hold onto their current occupied territories until an administration hostile to Ukraine enters the White House. But there's no guarentee that will happen in the next US Election, and even if it did, it would take a while for such a change to damage the AFU's ability to fight back.

Beyond that, time is now Russia's most deadly enemy. As time passes, they are exhausting what useful surpluss the Soviet Union built for a Cold War conflict that never happened. They do not have the means to replace what they are losing or to produce anything to match the quality of the NATO-grade weapons they now face. Their once immense fuel-wealth is being bled dry by the cost of maintaining a war-footing and to purchase bottom-shelf replacement equipment from their few remaining friends. Russia's ability to earn enough cash for all of this has been crippled.

Russia now also faces a demographic time-bomb that was already primed to expode before all of this. Moscow has destroyed it's ability to maintain a sustainable birthrate. Young Russians are now dead or emegrated, and only a loonatic would willingly move to that country now. The grim reality is that in a short couple of decades the Russians might run short of people to bury their own dead.

Ukraine wouldn't want to play the long game either, but at very least they have a friendly Europe to their back and likely a long-term wish to regain territory, rebuild with EU help, and get Ukrainian refugees to return home. Ukraine still has a shot at a bright future, but even if the war ended now the Russians face little more than grim darkness. Russia should not want to play the Long Game, because the Long Game...will end them.

m2_browning

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277189#Comment_121277189

Ukraine about to get 60 billion from Biden precisely because of the Hamas attack has;

put Russia into the same axis of evil as Hamas and Iran and North Korea in minds of the US public who are the ones doing most of the helping while here in Europe we drip drip support and get held up by likes of Orban

republicans can’t torpedo Ukraine funding now as it’s tied to Israel, Taiwan and Border Wall bill that landed on their desks last Saturday without doing immense damage to themselves in an election year.

Yeah_Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277325#Comment_121277325

I can't believe that some people actually think international politics is based on what's the lead story on the nightly news or what's grabbing headlines in the papers. Are people really that thick?

Sleepy

I think anyone using the phrases "stalemate" or "failed counter-offensive" hasn't been paying attention.

Ukraine have been systematically destroying the Russian occupiers for the past few months. Lines on maps may not be moving as fast as some observers would like but the AFU are quite clearly prioritising (and succeeding in) the destruction of Russian military leadership, logistics, artillery systems, armour and aircraft at the moment. They realised very quickly that there's no point in storming prepared defenses without air superiority and are now methodically removing Russia's ability to defend the territory they occupy in preparation for future liberation of that territory.

Hoop66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277512#Comment_121277512

Oh lordy, yes.

goodlad_ourvlad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277512#Comment_121277512

a good majority are

Dubh Geannain

The Terricon may still be in the grey zone (just about) but there is now a Russian flag on it going by videos this morning.

The footage of Russians trying to assault this location has been unreal the past week. Simply tossing human waves into certain death like logs onto a fire. It's utterly depressing that they should attempt and claim any sort of victory out of it (like pictures of the flag for example) given the massive cost it has been.

Imagine blowing your house up because the builder said they'd accidently left a 2 Euro coin in the foundations and then dancing around celebrating when you've found the coin. That's the kind of mentality here. Head scratching, mind boggling lunacy.

m2_browning

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277538#Comment_121277538

Plus they basically rendered Black Sea fleet impotent and having to hide this year

This is a country without a navy…

And only last week destroyed 6% of Russian helicopter fleet worth 230 million for the price of 2 million for the handful of 30 year old and nearly decommissioned ATACMs missiles donated by US

Jinglejangle69

That’s a bit worrying.

If Ukraine lose Adrivika it’s huge, it’s definitely bigger than anything Ukraine have regained in the counter offensive.

Russia seem happy enough to keep throwing bodies to achieve gains and it’s working.

Sleepy

How exactly is it working? They're destroying their own military capability in exchange for territory they need that military capability to hold.

victor8600

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277347#Comment_121277347

You are absolutely correct about what Russia needs. It needs to finish the war asap and to get rid of Putin and his conies. But that is not what Putin needs. He wants to be re-elected in 2024 with the population believing that he won and he wants to stay in power until he dies. Sure, he has health issues, but he has thousands of specialists keeping him alive and he may live for another 20 years. Losing the war is good for Russia moving forwards a more normal society, but it would be a death sentence for Putin.

josip

What was the reason for the mandatory evacuation orders all along the right bank of the Dnipro yesterday?

https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/23-october-mandatory-evacuation-for-families-with-children

RGARDINR

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277347#Comment_121277347

The only thing is in regards the birth time bomb etc. With all the Ukrainian children they have stolen if not given back to Ukraine will end up living in Russia and probably having kids there so there might not be a massive birth defect then.

RGARDINR

Seem to have a lot of gear but I'm sure 2nd and 3rd rate.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277325#Comment_121277325

No but no world leader likes a stalemate war either - by it’s very nature it becomes a back page news story and public interest and support wanes-you’re the naive one if you think countries can sustain 100s millions and billions of euro support to Ukraine indefinitely without their voters asking questions

Polar101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277702#Comment_121277702

What's huge about Russia possibly occupying a town that's been largely destroyed? So far no-one has even been able to spell the name right. Pre-war Avdiivka was the 131st largest city in Ukraine (obviously now the population has mostly fled).

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277935#Comment_121277935

Sounds like your saying Ukraine should look for a peace deal now? That right?

johnnyskeleton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277935#Comment_121277935

So the best thing that Ukraine could hope for right now is that the war becomes back page news in the US. At the moment, the big hold up is that some Republicans can use the support of Ukraine to attack the Democrats. If the public loses interest in the Ukraine war, the Republicans will move on to some other issue. If that happens, then the Democrats can provide as much support to Ukraine as they like and no one will criticise them for it.

The voters dont ask questions about things that arent on their mind. Just think of all the money the US spent on iraq and afghanistan which were at best a bi weekly or monthly news story from 2005 onwards

m2_browning

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277948#Comment_121277948

Russia haven’t captured Avdiivka, that poster got over excited

They captured a single slag heap

Which I suppose is a good metaphor for what Russia has become

goodlad_ourvlad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277935#Comment_121277935

Who said countries have to? Unfortunately (fortunately?) the west follow a lot of legal process. Part of that is releasing frozen oligarch assets to support Ukraine, this has already begun. It will get to a point where Russia is funding Ukraine in it's fight against Russia.

Ukraine already have venture capital pledges, with the support of Blackrock etc... to rebuild and recover, along with EU funding, separate to weapons (which Hungary have no reason to veto on, like they do with the weapons bills) so that's that element covered.

You have a very short sighted naive view of this whole situation other than "blahhh I turned on Sky news and Ukraine isn't on it, Russia won!!!"

Retr0gamer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121278005#Comment_121278005

They've been on there already and got blasted back off it by artillery. Hopefully the same has happened this time. All I see is a lowly flag up there and no sign of any infantry or vehicles.

I suppose avdiivka is important as it's on the doorstep to delonetsk city and allows Ukraine to launch strikes there and it's also held since 2014 despite Russia's best efforts.

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277538#Comment_121277538

The war in UKr reminds me of the WC similar final between South Africa and England. England were clearly on top through MOST. Of the game. Most of the game was played in the SA half. Any time SA got into the Eng half SA hardly ever got past the 20 yard line and it never looked like scoring. Eng won most of the battles - in line outs , scrums , at breakdowns, etc,

BUT all changed late in the game when SA brought on THE BIG GUNS , upped the tempo by a gear and went into the lead - FOR THE FIRST TIME - with 🏈two and a half minutes to go. SA must have had a strategy of never letting Eng get too far ahead and having the confidence and knowledge that it can pull away in the end.

Ukr is holding its ground and not letting Ru get too far ahead and it has the enemy and its capability well sized up, . It is hammering away at Russias core’ assets’ re personnel arnaments, equipment , communication / supply and service routes- thus seriously weakening Ru capability and then ‘ pounce ‘ with the proverbial @TWO AND A HALF MINUTES to go

I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct

Russias been handed it's worst defeat maybe in the whole war, rolling up into battle in 1930s trucks, atacms picking off bases etc. at will and posters rush in to say oh it's probably time the Ukrainians start taking about peace or oh people aren't interested in this war anymore. Jesus can ye not see how pathetic that sounds.

Might want to look closer at this russian offensive as its about to get flanked and crushed near donetsk airport.

Virgil°

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121278005#Comment_121278005

And they haven't even captured it. It's just contested. It is a bit worrying that the Russians seem to think they can afford to throw away thousands of men, hundreds of tanks and armored vehicles for a small town. Smaller than Bakhmut. Maybe they can afford to? I don't think anyone knows.

Had to laugh at the news cycle comment though. Biden about to push through a 60 billion package for Ukraine shortly. But oh no "lads did anyone catch the rugby at the weekend?". This just in: Ukraine left wanting for 155mm artillery shells as Russia pushes on Avdivka after news of Sexton retirement shocks fans. 😅

RoyalCelt

https://twitter.com/YepAdam_/status/1716770969220485162?t=7GTsi0LSerko27fLeSls_w&s=19

Unfortunately look's like the Russians took the hill.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277948#Comment_121277948

Ukraine have been trying to defend the city fiercely since the 2014.

They aren’t doing this for the crack.

goodlad_ourvlad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121278314#Comment_121278314

shite... wars over lads, grab the nets, good game