Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441074#Comment_121441074

It wasn't the IBA it was the boxer's who actually wanted to complete rather than have loses added to their records because they aren't supposed to fight Russians,

The Fighters wanted to fight

RGARDINR

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441127#Comment_121441127

I presume if they could get a few thousand migrants doing that and few thousand less Russians for a while they would be happy, then back onto Russians again.

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441127#Comment_121441127

What's the source for that, for those of us who couldn't be bothered with the cesspit that it Musk's Twitter?

m2_browning

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441293#Comment_121441293

Russian twatter

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VChK-OGPU Telegram channel reports that the Moscow traffic police are detaining migrant taxi drivers who attempt to pay a "spot fine" (i.e. a bribe) when they are stopped for minor violations. It cites a number of examples:

”””

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441293#Comment_121441293

Random twitter dude so it must be true...

m2_browning

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441408#Comment_121441408

Why don’t you use your Russian to translate for us from the telegram channel linked?

Seeing how a couple of Putinistas getting their heckles up is proof enough of the validity of this

It sure as hell won’t be reported on in the “free” Russian media and of course western journalists are either blocked from reporting from Russia or jailed

Funny that how Russians are quick to question validity of reporting from Russia (by Russians) yet don’t blink an eye at not having a a free media to do so because who needs such a thing

rogber

Interesting interview with Zelensky on the state of the war as we enter winter. Probably most bizarre claim is that Russia "has the second strongest military in the world", surely even Putin doesn't believe that anymore?

Otherwise general tone seems to be "things could be better, could be worse":

https://apnews.com/article/zelenskyy-ukraine-russia-war-interview-winter-75f1f785b17452fc23819d459e6ab64b

m2_browning

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121440866#Comment_121440866

Unlike the Twitter article (that links directly to reports in russian on Russian telegram) which you tried to question few posts up this bbc article gives zero sources for their report for all we know their source to quote yourself is a “Random twitter dude”

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441177#Comment_121441177

Would ya get outa that - the competitors may have wanted to box but they couldn't until the IABA gave them sanction. And the IABA rolled over when medals were swung in front of their eyes. https://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2023/1129/1419140-let-the-kid-box-iabas-russia-boycott-under-fire/

You either have a boycott where Russian and Belarusian sports people attend or you don't. The right thing to do is to isolate Russia as much as possible, make it clear they are pariahs and deny them the oxygen of publicity. A boycott is a small price. Boycotts only work though when countries/ people stand collectively and here we threw in the towel.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441551#Comment_121441551

It's BBC, we can assume they use verified sources, they certainly get things far less wrong than random people on twitter, a look back through the thread quickly verifies that.

For the record, the traffic police story strikes me as quite possible as well, I just prefer to use trusted sources rather than obsessively seeking confirmation bias like some people.

RGARDINR

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441534#Comment_121441534

I presume he says it so that it sounds like that they are and he can say it to countries that we're battling the 2nd best army in the world we need your support. I suppose it sounds better then we're battling someone who claims to be the 2nd best army in the world but really there not in the top 10.

m2_browning

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441592#Comment_121441592

BBC has no reporters left on ground in Russia, their last reporter Steve Rosenberg was driven out and is back in UK

so I will throw your silly quote right back at you

Russia now is a closed failed state resembling North Korea where our only source of information about Russians and their carry on in Russia is Russians posting on channels that are not yet closed down

to expect a western level of journalistic rigour now that western journalists are either blocked from going there or in many cases simply jailed on trumped up charges is mad

but then again you know all that as you know Russian and already in this thread have posted the meme about Budanovs wife poisoning that is same as the party line parroted our on Russian tv

m2_browning

Second train blow up in Siberia on same line as tunnel blew up

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/12/1/7431210/

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441596#Comment_121441596

So do you believe the BBC report about the general or not?

Either way, I'll still trust BBC or Guardian reporting over random people on Twitter, as so often they've been proved wrong.

ejmaztec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121440979#Comment_121440979

Didn't a lot of them get bumped off after the Russian army got trounced after attacking Finland?

I think even now, that the Russian generals only get to be generals depending on their support of the regime, and that military skill doesn't really come into it. They occasionally get lucky and accidentally promote someone with the necessary skill. 😁

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441021#Comment_121441021

Ah sure, they'll find out themselves anyway.....😎

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441534#Comment_121441534

No, Russian lost that 2nd best military in the world big time when they failed in Ukraine. But in terms of manpower and equipment, they really outrank Ukraine. Where they lose to Ukraine though is in the quality of that manpower, and in the equipment and logistics stakes, Russian corruption levels the playing fields. But strictly speaking and on paper, Zelenski is right.

m2_browning

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swiss-have-frozen-88-bilion-russian-assets-2023-12-01/

President Alain Berset pledged more support for Ukraine during a visit to the country last month and discussed using the profits of frozen Russian assets to help rebuild the country.

Glenomra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441534#Comment_121441534

[from today's Telegraph,generally one of ukraine's most steadfast supporters in the media'] Ukraine’s counter-offensive did not achieve its “desired results”, Volodymr Zelensky has admitted.  The Ukrainian president said: “We wanted faster results. From that perspective, unfortunately, we did not achieve the desired results. And this is a fact.” He added that Ukraine did not obtain all the weapons it needed from its allies, and that limits on the size of its military halted a quick advance. “There is not enough power to achieve the desired results faster. But this does not mean that we should give up, that we have to surrender,” he said. “We are confident in our actions. We fight for what is ours.” He also admitted that “only the blind” could fail to see the consequences of international attention shifting because of the conflict in the Middle East, adding that Ukraine had to “fight for attention”.

Homelander

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441762#Comment_121441762

The were bumped off in the huge purges during the 1930's which were a reactionary and radically over the top move to what was a very real plot against Stalin.

The extent of the purge was absolutely horrific though, lots of high-ranking leadership levels were virtually annihilated, some up to 80 or 90 percent.

The result of that was what happened in the Winter War, and then later in 1941 when Soviet defence catastrophically collapsed. If the USSR wasn't so geographically vast, they would have lost the war in those first few months.

But they were in a far better state in 1941 than they were in 1940 even, there was reorganisation and extensive re-equip efforts ongoing. The Germans were shocked and dismayed to discover that the Soviets actually had radically superior tanks and small arms in many cases. Eg they had T34's and KV-1s which were basically invulnerable to the main German tanks.

What's happening in Ukraine is not, maybe, as surprising as it should have been because we saw it in Georgia before. David and Goliath, but Russia was also unable to assert any level of convincing battlefield superiority save for pure quantity. But unlike the Winter War and costly lessons of 1941, nothing seemed to change within the Russian armed forces since then.

It is not unlike what happened in France in 1940 and USSR in 1941. These huge armies with advanced/modern/superior equipment, but complete inability to effectively deploy them, and the Germans overran them with sheer tactical/strategic excellence.

Even if Russian leadership improved massively and abruptly, I doubt they have the resources left to actually make any more progress of any major consequence. It seems now to be about wearing down Ukraine and outlasting Western support to bring something that at least resembles a favorable peace.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121442315#Comment_121442315

so does that make the Summer offensive hark back to the battle of Kursk? an attack telegraphed months in advance giving time for the Russians to prepare defences to bog down the opposition, the Leopard 2 being the touted wonderwaffe like the Tiger was for that battle. The Russians have also shown the ability to adapt this time round too and bring lots of weapons into play they didnt have 18 months ago?

Kursk was the strategic end for Germany and the Summer offensive looks like the strategic end for Ukraine.

m2_browning

What weapons Russians brought into play? Ww2 era tanks and artillery??

Homelander

I'm not sure I agree with the sentiment there.

Kursk was the end of Germany's ability to not only launch major summer offensives, but crucially also resist offensives from the Red Army. It did (largely) maintain operational excellence and remained capable of inflicting defeats on the Red Army, but no amount of tactical/strategic ability could overcome the overwhelming numerical superiority they faced.

After Kursk the front line was continuously moving westward, with multiple large scale offensives on multiple axis, Germany had precisely zero hope of stemming that tide and suffered catastrophic defeat after catastrophic defeat in the wider scheme of things.

They had no way to replace the equipment, manpower and fuel lost while the Soviet's could replace all those things with relative ease.

Ukraine may not be capable of launching another big offensive, but their ability to effectively defend appears relatively intact and I'm not sure I can see Russia launching a major war-winning offensive on any single front let alone multiple fronts anytime soon either.

Ukraine hasn't suffered a catastrophic defeat just because the offensive didn't achieve a breakthrough.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121442663#Comment_121442663

Yeah Ukraine didn't throw endless storm battalions at the offensive like Russia does in Avdiivka and did in Bakhmut.

They're also suffering high rates of losses trying to hold the Kherson front.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121442684#Comment_121442684

But at the same time they are slowly gaining ground in Ukraine, especially in Avdiivka which was considered unthinkable by some only very recently and now it's back to that's Russian propaganda

m2_browning

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121442692#Comment_121442692

Do you have an ETA for when your Hilux will reach and capture the infamous slag heap?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121442753#Comment_121442753

They the Russians are inside of Avdiivka since last week,

At least try to keep up with what is actually going on in Ukraine

m2_browning

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121442819#Comment_121442819

Do you have evidence for this? We only accept BBC articles on this thread according to @rogber

Addmagnet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121440866#Comment_121440866

"... his location is unclear."

He's just over there ... and over there ... and waaaay over there!

Addmagnet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441177#Comment_121441177

So the fault lies with whatever organisation sets the rule that refusal to fight in these circumstances is a loss.

But that still doesn't mean that the individual boxer gets a free pass on having morals and ethics, whatever their "professional" body says.