Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722654#Comment_121722654

We don't even have the capacity to detect a lone boat sailing close to the shores, the same lone boat can launch an AliExpress drone armed with an explosive and flying right around the country undetected and then hit some vital target like a power station. We wouldn't have a flippling clue until it happens.

Absolutely no way some anti EU/West terrorist group wouldn't see us as an easy target to disrupt the EU/West? If we had a major catastrophic blackout we would need massive EU intervention and aid. Cutting undersea cables, both data and power by some foreign actor can go unpunished as we would have no clue who done it as we have no radar etc....

Other countries who have a military and navy that can defend themselves also do have hospitals. It's not a this or that option.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722822#Comment_121722822

The scumbags started the riots.

IdHidden

10 posts he must be another Russian propaganda bot carefully ignoring all the other points made HSE hacking etc.

eire4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722279#Comment_121722279

Recently we have the cyber attack on the HSE and coasting us billions of euros having to house Ukrainians feeling from the Russian dictatorships invasion and campaign of genocide in Ukraine. Plus the spy ring the authoritarian Russia regime is running from their embassy in Dublin.

Milominderbender

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722881#Comment_121722881

According to Wikipedia the HSE cyber attack was committed by a criminal gang based in St Petersburg. Are you saying the Russian government was involved ? A nation that is notorious for financial fraud is Nigeria. Nobody would suggest we cut off diplomatic relations with the Nigerian government over this.

Ukraine is not our quarrel. The war is a horrific waste of life that I hopes ends soon.

I'm more concerned that we have 5 eyes nation's citizens occupying senior security positions in the state that Russian spy rings. At least the latter gets called out. The fact that we have a Canadian as head of our intelligence service lays to rest the pretence that we are living in a sovereign country.

pixelburp

Been a while since we got a solid "the West are the real enemies" segue, though the naked declaration we should feel no contempt for Russia is a particularly funny little element. Felt like in the white heat of the invasion they were everywhere. Mixed with a little casual xenophobia too I see; sure why not.

Lol. If one has to ask why the Irish, a country with a distinctly strong genetic memory of the stain and trauma of invasion and subjugation, should care deeply about the plight with Ukrainians and feel contempt for Russia? You'd hope it is a bot wandering in here, cos anyone trumpeting about "sovereign country" this and that obviously isn't aware of their own country's historical parallels in the first place. Sovereignty for me but not for thee it seems

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722710#Comment_121722710

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722612#Comment_121722612

Our geographical position to GB was the reason we endured a millennium of oppression.

Using that same geography to piggy back onto defence is payback imo.

20silkcut

Russia is the ideological antithesis of everything this country was founded on. An old 19th century style vision of empire that imprisons and crushes and exploits small nations like Ireland. It’s just an accident of geography that there is no history between us. Countries like Finland Lithuania, Latvia , Poland etc who we have much more in common will tell you all you need to know about Russia . They do not like the existence of small or mid size nations.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722573#Comment_121722573

Ireland has a small population and the Navy isnt an attractive career, even the brits have recruiting problems and they have over 12 times our population. If Ireland wanted to box clever they should look at a drone strategy, give it 5 or 10 years and it will be possible to have long duration drones pretty much automated 24/7, covering the western seaboard out to as far as is interesting to keep an eye on. Down the road then Ireland would have something to offer in terms of some kind of reciprocal arrangements maybe with the French

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722595#Comment_121722595

Yeah I actually like this Idea. You want us to patrol our waters to your standard especially when we're basically sharing our waters with the EU for fishing. Then give us Navy ships and pay for our soldiers. No problem we'll sail them around for you.

Otherwise **** off because we're billions in debt and not about to spend billions on something low priority with very little economic return.

Ten of Swords

@Milominderbender threadbanned

vswr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723083#Comment_121723083

No one wants to sit in **** weather, in Dublin or Galway bay, on a Friday or Saturday night, looking in at the city, when they could be there with there mates. In the Royal Navy, you actually have potential training and career prospects, which can be transferred to civvy life, while the IN will project this, currently like all of the DF, getting any courses that better "you" are difficult.

Anyway, that's digressing, re: drones. This was a feasible approach that was looked at, but, for the range and loiter time requirements needed to cover most/all of the EEZ, you would need to look at military spec drones, and similar to the Blackhawk debacle, it was shelved in favour of a more publicly palatable approach (the Casa's).

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723491#Comment_121723491

the tech is only going in one direction, currently top drones like the Reaper have a time in the air of 30 hours and a range of about 2,000km. to replicate that with aircraft you would need at least 3 of them (8 hours duration) and multiple crews. Its a no brainer that down the road its the more cost effective solution and would deliver a lot more coverage

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121721767#Comment_121721767

Of the 150m population in Russia all it would take to cause potentially major upheavel is for one of them with ‘one finger’ to pull the trigger of a gun with a bullet in it and pointed in the direction of Putin who might be in close range. There are precidences out there - some successful while others missed eg Hitler, a pope, fellow who shot Someone to start the 1st world war. There is always ‘one out there who is ‘mad’ enough to try the above.

vswr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723639#Comment_121723639

Would also be invaluable in overseas missions. But, then you have Reaper drones landing and taking off in Ireland, with personnel being trained in the US, with other "drone killers". Which the anti war folk, who have a huge bearing on the government, won't take kindly to.

Lets buy some more expensive to run and staff aircraft instead to appease them.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722654#Comment_121722654

The world has not seen Nuclear War since the US dropped two bombs on Japan. Why is that do you think? Despite the fact that there are thousands of them in existence worldwide, and compared to modern Nuclear weapons, the Japanese bombs were just firecrackers. They have not been used because of a doctrine known as MAD, Mutual Assured Destruction. Effectively this meant that if any Country used a nuclear weapon against another Country, it would generate a nuclear response that would annihilate the country that had fired the first one. MAD. No winners, and that's the reason why for all his Nuclear bluster, Medvedev will not presently push the button. But that has not stopped Putin waging war on the west, inc. Ireland, and back a few posts, some other posters have explained it very well how he is doing it. Putin has never stopped his war, just with Ukraine, its in a very active phase now.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723655#Comment_121723655

Turkey are in the market too if thats whats needed to keep the hippies quiet. There ought to be more competing equipment down the road and its not like Ireland would need anything top of the range. Ireland would then have a service they could sell possibly (time on the drone) and leverage with the EU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayraktar_TB2#/media/File:Bayraktar_TB2_Ground.jpg

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723643#Comment_121723643

Yes, many world leaders and dignitaries have been assassinated / injured by lone gunmen, and every single day in Russia people are murdered, its part of the scenery almost. Innocent bystanders are mown down, I've seen it myself. But Putin? The man with many doubles? Who does not or very rarely appears in public, or allows anyone near him unless they have been scrutinized from head to toe first and even then, cannot sit within 15' of him? And during any meeting, there's at least 2 snipers zeroed in on the visitor, if he made any sudden moves, he /she would be dead before they even knew it. All of the assassinations you mentioned took place in zero security situations (Hitler was the exception, but ironically that attempt came from a source Hitler trusted) Putin does not trust anyone. But it's something I (and millions of others) would love to see.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121722990#Comment_121722990

There's only one criminal gang in Russia, the one headed by Vladimir Putin. Nothing is done in any shape or form there unless he authorizes it, and that goes for all criminal activity too, either at home in Russia, or abroad. The war is our quarrel, and damn lucky we are to have Ukraine fighting it for us. Do you think that the Nigerian scams are still as widespread now as they once were? And don't forget, the Nigerian scams were criminal activity and on a relatively small scale, the Russian scams are state backed. So yes, we (and the rest of the civilized world) must isolate Russia every way possible, even diplomatically if that's a possibility. It's a state ruled by an indicted war criminal and is illegal to its core. The state is illegal, not because of the indictment, but how Putin took power in a sham election on the back of 300 dead Muscovites killed in the apartment block bombings that Putin ordered.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723868#Comment_121723868

i see one flaw in the article that they omitted/didnt clarify, recovered and repaired. Clearly there is some kind of descending graph with time on the X axis. It depends how long you think this war goes on? I'd wager it winds down by the end of the year so Russia's vehicle looses might not matter in the end.

threeball

I would say if we don't join NATO in the near future we might end up without a say in the matter

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/04/russia-china-iran-could-target-uk-irish-backdoor-thinktank-warns

pixelburp

Heavy, laboured and excessively loud SIGH. Fúcking Orbán.

At this rate, I'd not blame any NATO/ EU bigwigs if their recent Amazon orders included "sudden altitude adjusted defenestration for beginners"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/05/orban-boycotts-parliament-session-to-ratify-swedish-nato-bid

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121725487#Comment_121725487

Not one bit!

.Donegal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121724149#Comment_121724149

So we join NATO, to deter them from attacking…a NATO member…

Polar101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121725487#Comment_121725487

Orban just wants to make a big show out of it by summoning Kristersson (Swedish PM) so he can show everyone Hungary is in control. Which is harder after he was humiliated in the EU recently.

.Donegal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121725646#Comment_121725646

I think we should base our foreign policy off more than F yous. Putrid can’t win in Ukraine, China is occupied with Taiwan. Who realistically is in any position to invade us? Plus the orange nut job is ahead in the polls, who knows what that could bring. Being in nato didn’t do the Germans much good with their undersea pipes.

We should invest in a proper airforce, radars etc but I’ll be voting no if there’s ever a referendum for joining NATO.

jmreire

Meanwhile, in Russia and Tucker Carsons visit.. Live in the US explained.

https://youtu.be/OmM6PJI0YMQ