Russia - threadbanned users in OP

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121787508#Comment_121787508

If they can hit the planes carrying them. I don't think they can hit the bombs once they are released. They have to be guided by radar and UA are trying to take these out.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789093#Comment_121789093

Maybe it's like the USSR of old and the simplest way for the masses to reject Putin is not to vote for him? IIRC that's how the electorate got around the issue of having one soviet approved candidate to vote for; a large enough middle class bloc angry at mobilisation might crater the vote totals that even Putin couldn't ignore?

aidanodr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789115#Comment_121789115

Thats assuming the cratered vote totals would even see the light of day if that were to happen. No truth at all in Putins russia .. we just hear what he wants us to hear i would say

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789202#Comment_121789202

Tends to be the countries who have thrown down with Russia who are most prominent in their help for Ukraine; presumably the money is a way to bypass Japan's pacifist constitution as (I guess?) they can't supply arms directly. Shame a spare Kaiju or Mech can't be sent to Kyiv.

aidanodr

Something we should not necessarily ignore I think

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/02/19/7442530/

"The biggest problem is that we don't know how much time we have left. We hope that Ukraine stops Russia far [from the European core]; thousands of kilometres from Germany or Lithuania.

However, the reality is that Russia can raise 400,000 more troops. They are producing new tanks and new weapons. We have a very aggressive neighbour who intends to challenge NATO. We have to prepare for this."

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121788915#Comment_121788915

The Novichok vaccine? Stops the spread of truth.

aidanodr

https://news.sky.com/story/russia-ukraine-latest-putin-navalny-avdiivka-latest-sky-news-blog-live-12541713?postid=7256173#liveblog-body

Alexei Navalny's body will not be released for a further 14 days, according to his spokesperson.

"The investigators told the lawyers and Alexei's mother that they would not give them the body," she said on X.

"The body will be under some sort of 'chemical examination' for another 14 days." 

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789242#Comment_121789242

Mightn't be safe for anyone to go near the body for a while?

Hande hoche!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121788902#Comment_121788902

Think after this there will be very few traces of legacy Soviet/Russian equipment in Western aligned use.

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789202#Comment_121789202

Fantastic.

So much d**king around with various European countries and lately the US. You can kind of understand the US (forgiven for seeing this as a European affair... S**tstorm Trump creating havoc with internal politics etc. etc.), but Christ, you'd think we'd have learned our lessons in Europe about appeasing maniacs. The Germans sitting on the fence for most of 2022. The drip feeding of deliveries since then.

Really, Zelensky shouldn't be having to make continental tours with the begging bowl every couple of months. This should all be running fluidly in the background with diplomats instructing governments and legislatures/ executives brought on side. Bar a couple of contrarian nations, the EU are pretty square behind Ukraine in this.

We should really be seeing the defence sectors in the EU massively revamped as a result of the last few years - no more depending solely on the US/ UK, and no more relying exclusively on external private manufacturing of weapons/ hardware. Maybe Trump was right to spit fire on European nations not pulling their weight with NATO budgeting/ contributions. The EU, as a bloc, should be able to step up much more effectively. Cos lets be honest, if it wasn't for NATO - if it was just a collective European Army, Putin wouldn't be losing a minute's sleep.

I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789029#Comment_121789029

Putin will have to resort to necromancy at this rate

aidanodr

Bill is spot on .. Yes to this me thinks?

https://twitter.com/Billbrowder/status/1759563094966038879

However earlier today on BBC 5 Live Politico's Suzanne Lynch ( https://www.politico.eu/staff/suzanne-lynch/ ) was asked this very question. She said yes all day long EXCEPT there would need to be solid legal platform behind this for other future such events. She said they are working on this

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789295#Comment_121789295

Russia is sh1tting on its own doorstep in front of the whole world.

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2 more planes reported being downed.

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1759526766400426442

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121786917#Comment_121786917

You conveniently forget about Asange and Snowden. Former is rotting in prison and may aswell end up dead and later had to run away so he do not end up the same. Manning too and they all have to suffer because of what they believed.

We can go back and forth my point still stand, Navalny was a person with troublesome, outright racist past and that is being suppressed only because he tried to stand up to Putin.

aidanodr

For those saying - “Ukraine should make a deal with Russia & end the war.” - 7 counter arguments

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1759653020420165938

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789242#Comment_121789242

I said it before: it's not enough for the Russians to be cold and ruthless. They have to be sadistic and cruel. It's like Putin not only wants to show he long since stopped caring about outside opinion, but actually revels in the condemnation.

I think he learned a lot from Assad in those years Russia propped up that regime.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789586#Comment_121789586

At least Navalny stood up to Putin. The same can't be said for Assange, who cosied up to the Putin regime and took Kremlin funding in return for being a useful idiot

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789712#Comment_121789712

And this after just under 2 year's. Imagine another 2 year's and another 400k working aged Russian men dead.

fly_agaric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789586#Comment_121789586

He certainly wasn't as "troublesome" or indeed "racist" as VV Putin, and all the people in charge of Russia who had him jailed and ultimately killed.

But you never say much about them. Someone dares to criticise Mother Russia...it is always some post with what-a-bout the West, just how awful and hypocritical we and our govt.'s all are.

Hence if they (Western govt.'s) have been praising Navalny, offering condolences, attacking Russia over his death, you have to pop up and do your best to crap all over it, as above.

Even having a go about US supplied cluster bombs and legacy they may leave Ukraine earlier today, when you know Russia is mining the hell out of huge areas seeded by artillery I think, spraying cluster bombs all over the shop and likely doesn't know (or care) where the stuff they are launching has ended up. They certainly won't be cleaning their mess up post war.

I think both of those 2 people are alive, even if the US catches up with them they are not going to be killed slowly or quickly.

Snowden in particular is, afair basically a US intelligence worker who decided to leak out a load of secrets and then ran away afterwards. He is not an opposition political figure on the run and under persecution for political beliefs, he's not really like Assange either IMO. Manning was more similar (to Snowden). They didn't run away, were jailed, served time and are free now I believe.

The Russian version of Snowden (or Manning) (doing same thing to FSB or GRU or whatever it is) would have had a good chance of dying in unusual circumstances no matter where he or she ran to in the world after. If he/she didn't run quicky, well they would probably just be dead (summary "justice"), or dying in a nasty prison by now anyway. Likely noone here would know so that's okay I suppose.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789556#Comment_121789556

Looks like this is it..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV7rYMxSABg

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789115#Comment_121789115

I remember in a previous election, there were videos of the monitors in the voting centers stuffing the ballot boxes, which will tell you what elections are like in Putin's world. If People don't vote, or damage the voting sheet, no problem!!! They will have more than enough spares to make up the shortfall. Plus, as they say it's not the nrs that count, its the ones doing the counting! But even if I can't see it, there's something worrying Putin this election. Or maybe the paranoia is starting to kick in??

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789586#Comment_121789586

It's not really being suppressed. It can be freely said. However, it doesn't have much to do with the current story, which is that Putin is murdering political opponents with little pushback. Some of these people may share many of Putin's standpoints, but just diverge on something he can't tolerate.

It's a message that should be shared around because it could be the thing that de-stabilises the Putin regime. If not, it can contribute to a wellspring of Russian discontent.

The comparison with Manning and Snowden doesn't really compute, because they divulged sensitive information. It's hard to think of a country where that doesn't carry at least some amount of legal jeopardy. I will say that Manning stayed and faced the music, whereas Snowden absconded to and has stayed in a certain country that now gives me some cause to doubt his commitment to a free and open society. There is a good argument to say their leaks were justifiable and an argument to say that some of their revelations compromised US security. Navalny, on the other hand, pointed out that Putin was Charles Haughey² in the corruption stakes. There was nothing that compromised Russian security in his findings, although a lot that potentially compromised Putin, and for that he was jailed and most likely murdered.

We've a bit of a ways to go in the West before repression is as bad as in Russia. We shouldn't let whataboutery distract us from seeing Putin for what he is.

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789512#Comment_121789512

The broad West need to do nothing extra/specific in order to respond very effectively to Russia re the ‘ assassination of Navalny . Russians economy can be increasingly damaged - where it hurts - by more sanctions, tightening some loopholes and making the current ones even more effective than they are currently.

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789553#Comment_121789553

Russki planes got the Covid vaccine. Simples. --some republican from America.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121790279#Comment_121790279

The magnet in them plays havoc with the Russian air force navigation systems.

Hey it is as plausible as claiming it for Navalny...