Russia - threadbanned users in OP

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121840651#Comment_121840651

I'm not sure if the EU would be particularly happy to have allowed a state to expand under the guise of a peace agreement. Historically that's resulted in states that will expand again when they feel like it.

macraignil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121840709#Comment_121840709

"let me rephrase"

So you are saying evil putin is not so bad because Falklands comparison blah blah and it was a mistake not to bow down to putin's terrorist acts and criminal behavior towards Ukraine. You do realise there was a peace treaty between Ukraine and putin's terrorist state where internationally recognised borders were agreed and putin has by his actions torn up that treaty. Why would it make sense for the people of Ukraine to trust putin to adhere to any future agreement when he now claims their country should not even exist? There are no countries that can order Ukraine to fall for the mistake of trusting putin.

putin has made a huge blunder by invading Ukraine and allowing his army be demolished by his desire for conquest, genocide and terrorism. It would serve him right if his folly paves the way for a collapse in the state he claims to serve. Civil war would imply the russian federation is a legitimate country rather than a collection of states which were conquered by moskow and would be much better served breaking away from moskow now.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121840713#Comment_121840713

the only reason Russia could go into Ukraine at all was that it had given up its nukes, its the red lines of red lines. Im just of the view that something could have been hammered out in 22 with Ukraine left intact possibly with some self determination elections or whatever arrangement clever diplomats could come up with. Even in the least likely outcome that Ukraine falls apart and Russian troops take Kiev (and I dont think they could) Russia would end up leaving Western Ukraine after negotiations.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121840746#Comment_121840746

My only sense of Russian opinion is that the Yeltsin years left a deep scar , so they will always go for stability in the end. At the current trajectory Putin comes out of this with a win that he can sell at home, which gives him time to hand pick his successor. Im not sure you can rely on history at this stage, demographics will tend to make countries like Russia more conservative, revolutions are something driven by youth

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121840776#Comment_121840776

I'm not sure if the Russian army being decimated can be considered a win for Putin. Plus they've destroyed the entire global perception of their military.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121840823#Comment_121840823

And nobody is going to buy their combustible tanks any more. Ever.

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This is supposedly the conversation the Germans had about Taurus

https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1763637250271871377

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121840498#Comment_121840498

How it's been sold to the Russian people(going by the ones I know and remember these are living in the West and have full access to all opinions/news) is, and brace yourselves the double think disconnect is wild:

It's called a "special military operation" not a "war" because Russia isn't America, they don't want to destroy the country and wipe out Ukrainian civilians by mass bombing strikes like America would do. They could do that easily but instead are moving slowly and precisely to minimise civilian and their own troops casualties. Any other opinion is "western propaganda" and "russophobia".

Yup. They're also convinced that this will end when Russia takes all of eastern Ukraine up to the Dnieper, and Odessa obvs. What's left of Ukraine will be the West bit as a demilitarised and "de-nazified" buffer zone and a consistent belief is Poland will take that over anyway. I've found Poland and the Poles live rent free in the Russian psyche to a degree hard to fathom for Western Europeans. As is how they interpret history of their country/empire/region. That rambling "history" Putin rattled on about for half an hour in the Carlson interview? That went over really well, while most non Russians watching including even Carlson as it turns out were eh wut?.

That's just a sniff of the disconnect with extra howlers like the "nazis" in Ukraine are backing the "woke west with Gays and Trannies" in their military. When you try to point out that actual nazis are extremely conservative, very right wing, nationalist, jingoistic, militaristic with populist "histories" and myths and by their very nature and definition vehemently anti "Woke" the irony is completely lost and it seems that penny has a very long way to drop...

Memory loss is another very prominent feature. The Wagner revolt has been completely memory holed(though it really rattled cages at the time). The "military strategic feint" from Kiev ditto, replaced by the "Boris Johnson/the West stopped the peace deal after they withdrew as an olive branch" spin that only came into being as spin a year after the events. The losses of Kharkiv and Kherson? Who, what? The latest their bots are pushing on the socials is Hostomel Airport was a Russian win.

So no matter how this war pans out I'd not be anywhere close to confident that The Russian People(tm) will start asking questions never mind rise up, but instead are more likely to just buy the next round of spin, or just keep their heads down and if any change does come it'll come from some other "strong man" and they'll line up behind it, while it's happening. The Wagner revolt a good example. Tanks on Russian streets heading for Moscow shooting down Russian aircraft and their own men, oul wans handing out tea and biccies to the troops, cheering the Strong Man of the moment. Until he wasn't and that was over and memory holed, and business as usual.

Now we could argue about culture/history/propaganda/the Russian Mind(c) until the cows come home, but imho it's a mistake to view it through our western lens too much. I agree it's an unwinnable war. Even if they took the entire country at best they face decades of sectarian unrest, but a "win" for them will be whatever they're told a win is and most will believe it or ignore it.

Discodog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121840386#Comment_121840386

My memory of the program (which could be wrong) was that it was a US official who said that it would be too serious a provocation. But, given the time taken to make the program, that would of been quite a while ago. I was expecting Ukraine to keep hitting it every time it got repaired.

Oh the idea of France sending troops, surely any country can get involved providing they & NATO say that it's an individual action & not a NATO one.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121840930#Comment_121840930

Well if I head west it's into the sea .

A fair appraisal of the " dire situation " in Ukraine from the bastion of the liberal left The Guardian.

A welcome change from dubious twitter posts .

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/02/what-happened-in-the-russia-ukraine-war-this-week-catch-up-with-the-must-read-news-and-analysis

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121840901#Comment_121840901

That's exactly it. If Putin decided to give up tomorrow, declaring Russia has accomplished its goal in Ukraine a large percentage of Russians would either believe it or just stay quiet. The rest of the world would see it for the horse dung it is. As regards the fate of Putin, anyone hoping democracy will flourish with the demise of Putin is going to be sorely disappointed. The mafia/ kleptocracy culture he has created there will likely long outlast him.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121840651#Comment_121840651

Back at the beginning, first no one believed that Putin would actually invade Ukraine. But then when Putin did invade, it was considered that Russia, with the 2nd mightiest army in the world, and with nuclear weapons to boot, would take Ukraine in a very short time, so no one was interested in discussing, never mind acting militarily. It was considered a done deal. What could anyone do? But then Ukraine showed their mettle, and the rest as they say is history. And so we are where we are.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121841118#Comment_121841118

The Russians know they'd get their arses handed to them if they had to face off against any sort of competent western coalition. Take how Russia has struggled against a Ukrainian army constantly crying out for resources, and add in the direct involvement of the Polish or French militaries. Russian forces would be sent limping back to Moscow.

aidanodr

From consul general of China in Belfast

https://twitter.com/CGMeifangZhang/status/1763706882714165747

pcardin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121841201#Comment_121841201

and when these are wasted, thats two clown states dry of shells.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121840880#Comment_121840880

Once again people fall for Russian Propaganda.

They we’re discussing what targets could be hit if they supplied Taurus missiles, you know a sensible conversation to be careful not to escalate things.

Germany have said they wing be sending them anyway.

Why oh why do people still swallow Ruzzian propaganda and lies after all these years??

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121841201#Comment_121841201

How many of these will be explode the artillery pieces that fired them, or are duds ?

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121841201#Comment_121841201

Do you ever get the feeling that there's a propaganda war at foot. And Putin has a bag of air. Only this time bag of air by ten times the European Union.

You'd be wondering is this bluff by China Belfast for the benefit of the dissenters in Russia to stop them getting their tails up against Putin.

pcardin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121841228#Comment_121841228

lets hope, the most

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121841220#Comment_121841220

Ukraine reporting that half of the shells NK supplied Russia don't work. So as you say, once NK stockpile is depleted, can NK keep up a steady supply?

https://www.newsweek.com/half-russia-north-korea-made-artillery-shells-do-not-work-vadym-skibitsky-1873612

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121840776#Comment_121840776

"You are of the view" - a view backed up by exactly nothing and contradicted by every Russian action in disregarding and not honouring any agreement with Ukraine, from Budapest to Minsk. Why would this one by any different?

Polar101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121841201#Comment_121841201

3 million shells.. why not 3 billion? Must be true because an account called Bricsinfo says so. "unbiased coverage of all things BRICS".

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121841251#Comment_121841251

It's based on information from South Korea:

https://www.politico.eu/article/north-korea-munitions-russia-vladimir-putin-war-ukraine/

Polar101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121841305#Comment_121841305

Thanks, so they're talking about the amount of containers sent since September, which is a bit different to "sends 3 million shells".

Also "6,700 containers to Russia, which could accommodate up to approximately 3 million rounds of 152 mm artillery shells or 500,000 rounds of 122 mm artillery shells"

So they're just guessing the amounts.

aidanodr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121841251#Comment_121841251

The account is from Zhang Meifang - Chinese diplomat who is serving as the Consul General of the People's Republic of China in Belfast, United Kingdom since 2018. So at least the account seems legit regardless. I do tend to check these things before posting

It is known that NK are supplying Russia with shells for a long time. What Zhang said is not a stretch to imagine really. If true it does show how Putin and co are being kept with arms supply from NK.

Zhang Meifang - Wikipedia

RoyalCelt

Finally a bit of **** evidence Russia planes are dropping from the sky.

https://twitter.com/GloOouD/status/1763906829107490859?t=dOCzQl1BlV9UGgz07UQ28Q&s=19

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121841371#Comment_121841371

Going by that Wikipedia page on her.

Is she a rogue agent or tweeting under orders from China?

She's not very truthful in her tweets.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121841385#Comment_121841385

How are they managing to hit planes so far behind Russian lines?