Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122023321#Comment_122023321

What are you talking about? America aren’t in a war in Ukraine.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122023038#Comment_122023038

Uhh…. the Dems aren't pushing these trials, and they're campaigning away. FWIW, two of the felony trials are state-level (Georgia, today's hush money trial)

EltonJohn69

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/1peaaGQGjg

powerful stuff, Georgia aren’t having russia creep in the door.

TinyMuffin

Russia is reckoned to have spent 220 billion US $ on the war so far. Imagine if they spent that on their own country’s infrastructure. They’d be the envy of everyone.

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122022764#Comment_122022764

surely he will have to have security personnel in with him and maybe double the normal number because of the increased risk of what the inmates might do re Trump himself and that ‘briefcase’

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122023456#Comment_122023456

300 million per day I believe.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122021931#Comment_122021931

Thinking that wars are won by "wills" is the kind of nonsense Hitler used to believe. Yes it makes a difference but a lot less difference than weapons and manpower and Ukraine needs more of both, urgently.

Nor will Russia run out of money in 2025. In 2022 people said in 2023 the country would grow broke. Didn't happen then and won't now. They have China and many countries helping them out and in addition doing all sorts of crooked stuff to get around sanctions.

One thing you are right about: Ukraine will not capitulate to a future as Russian slaves. But can they hold onto what they have now? I hope so but by it could be a very bloody and brutal summer if rumours of big Russia offensive are true

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122021901#Comment_122021901

China is rapidly decarbonizing some of its energy but the dirty carbon part is rapidly growing and outpacing it.

By 2100 the story of global carbon in the previous 3 centuries will be dominated by China, then India with America and Europe a distant 3rd.

Sometime in the 2030s they will out pass the entirety of US and European carbon since the beginning of the Industrial revolution.

They produce more carbon now in a year than the rest of the OECD countries combined which is pretty much everyone else.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122023456#Comment_122023456

Imagine what Russia would be like today if Putin had not gone down the criminal route after he was elected…But no, he didn't, and now we are where we are. But one thing for sure can be learned from it anyway, allowing laws to be changed, without opposition, is the first act of losing liberty and freedom.

silliussoddius

What would the effect be if Iran escalates in the Middle East, would it impact supplies to Russia?

flutered

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020422#Comment_122020422

last saturday night cost 1.2 billion to defend israel

victor8600

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024057#Comment_122024057

Your Hitler argument is weak. It is very much a battle of wills. Why haven't Ukraine collapsed in the first days of the invasion? Because of thousands of Ukrainian volunteers that were fighting a long fight on the borders of Donbas and Luhansk, because of Zelensky who quite unexpectedly decided to become a hero, because of the Ukrainian army that stood and fought.

Was it inevitable? Not at all. In the South of Ukraine (Mariupol excepted) people were not ready to fight and the Russian army just rolled into Kherson practically unopposed. If Zelensky did what was expected of him and fled the country, would the Ukrainian army fight with the same determination? Would anyone send Ukraine weapons if the country didn't show the will to fight? I would bet not.

EltonJohn69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024596#Comment_122024596

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024596#Comment_122024596

wut ?

Polar101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024596#Comment_122024596

Natural partners to who? They aren't very popular among their neighbours, which has probably something to do with the fact that they tend to invade them.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024431#Comment_122024431

1.2 billion what exactly?

Sleepy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024596#Comment_122024596

Who is "we"?

Ukraine are fighting Russia because they've been invaded by them. Because Russian soldiers have raped, murdered and tortured civilians and flattened large parts of their country.

Why are the rest of the western world supporting Ukraine? See above.

Why are the Russian soldiers doing this? Because they're under the control of a weak, megalomaniac gangster who has managed to violently supress all opposition to his criminal empire that masquerades as the successor to the USSR.

Why haven't Russian patriots risen up against him? A small number have, and they're fighting alongside Ukraine. Most Russian men are clearly too cowardly to join them. Others are simply brainwashed, under-educated fools akin to their Trump supporting American rednecks.

A final question: why are you posting Russian propaganda on an Irish forum? Are you one of the aforementioned Russian cowards who'll do Putin's bidding because you're too afraid to do otherwise? An Irishman being paid by the Kremlin to spout their shite? A bot that's been programmed to do so? Or just another under-educated fool who "did his research" online?

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024596#Comment_122024596

Russia is a fukn stain on the world. You're shilling for Satan.

Say my name

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_Russian_businesspeople_%282022%E2%80%932024%29

The Putin purge.

All hail Putin!! ....(sarcasm).

Beasty

DoyleLoneganYouFollow threadbanned

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122023321#Comment_122023321

Welcome, new user.

IdHidden

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024596#Comment_122024596

natural partners of dictators.

aidanodr

If true, game changer

Chuck is former Seal,

https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1780046800889499884

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1779857683559961066

Poon Tang

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122023329#Comment_122023329

Of course they are, they're in a proxy war with Russia. And they have committed some $75 billion in aid, which is set to dominate the US election. For reference, Ukraine's military budget was $4.1 billion in 2018, which was a 30% increase from 2017.

So, without western - and particularly US - "help" Ukraine would not have any chance of still being in this fight. Of course, it's not enough to just stay in the fight. Ukraine need to have a chance of winning, if western support is to continue. It's looking very unlikely that Ukraine can defeat Russia, something many experts suggested at the outset of this conflict. But they were ignored, and are still being ignored in some quarters.

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024815#Comment_122024815

Alleged proxy war with not a shred of evidence in your post, yet there's documented accounts everyday of them not supporting their proxy for the last 6 months? No money or weapons, it's all about Israel now and anything tacked onto Bills that include support for Ukraine is embroiled in debacle. Is that what constitutes a proxy war these days?

Speaking of proxys, which formerly threadbanned putinbot is your new reg a proxy for?

zerosquared

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4595993-speaker-johnson-unveils-plan-for-ukraine-israel-at-closed-door-gop-meeting/

Looks like we have movement, with new lend lease and Russian asset seizing thrown on top too

Jinglejangle69

Heard Johnson is planning to cut the Ukraine ammo aid to millions though.

Praying it’s not true.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024815#Comment_122024815

The fact that US has no soldiers on the ground very much so works in favour of the administration. As wars go, any financing or weapons are cheap and no Americans are dying. I'm reasonably sure overall that the war in Ukraine will have little impact on the US voting public.

Long term for the US, this historically won't look bad for them cause they're supporting another nation's sovereignty.(Not a proxy war) And the Russian military will effectively be decimated for decades to come.

Wibbs

Going by my experience the now threadbanned chap gives insight into some Russian thinking, which imho is valuable to consider. And debate/point out the internal contradictions of that thinking.

EG: I should ask a very simple question and it is this: Why are we fighting Russia? They are natural neighbours. Natural partners etc

Note how it starts from the position of how it's Russia who's being attacked. It's always someone else at fault. This is a very common thread in both Kremlin spin and among many average Russians. Of course the former pushes the latter for obvious reasons. It also has a long historical angle that Russia can't seem to let go of.

You'll also notice the usual amnesia about the past. Europe was indeed trying to be "natural neighbours". Europe has been buying Russian oil and gas since the early 1980's when it was Soviet oil and gas. After the Soviet system fell it continued to do so and after things settled down in the aftermath was building infrastructure with Russia in Russia investing billions in same.

Russia should indeed have been a natural partner, but the problem is Russia never really got on board with the rest of Europe politically or socially. For a start it clung to its past as the last European empire standing, whereas the rest of once imperial Europe at least acknowledged that past was in the past. This imperial thinking still informs much of how Russia thinks and operates. It also remained mired in old structures with levels of corruption and state control pretty much unthinkable in the rest of Europe.

But someone doesn't want that to happen

More enemies from without. If it weren't America/CIA/Nazis it would always be someone.

Russia is the biggest country in the world. Why would they want to add to that?

Because it's far more an empire than a country like Spain or Belgium and empires are paranoid about their borders. This goes triple for land empires because it's a lot closer to home than some part of the world you plant a flag in overseas.

Steviemak7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024815#Comment_122024815

If the US are in a proxy war with Russia, then who are the 3rd party acting as Russian's proxy ?

TheValeyard

I like this thing

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1780133523409522948