Russia - threadbanned users in OP

TheValeyard

Purges

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1790140347584070043

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122135592#Comment_122135592

Nonsense we are told repeatedly on this thread that “Russians are good people, and they don’t want war” and yet these unwilling “good” people are three years into the three day war of theirs, continuing to assault, rape and murder, and die in trenches and get blow up by drones as per video posted here, and continue to go to work in military factories with no sign of rebellion or “goodness” despite now becoming more fascist than the Nazis they so much professed to hate

Anyways back to current affairs, the last significant flow of money to Russia from US has been cut, the dependence was deliberately created as part of Megatons for Megawatts programme in 90s

https://archive.ph/B8yAE

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122135576#Comment_122135576

So has the whole thing gone out the window?

fly_agaric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122135576#Comment_122135576

You should not have used the term "graft" since this means corruption/extortion/theft, money for some kind of political stroke.

You have a point on secrecy, however Czechia is a democracy, and is not at war. Seems unlikely the scheme could be kept secret if they are spending any of their own funds (don't know about this aspect) and making public diplomatic efforts with other EU democracies to get them to contribute. Prior to this Czech scheme there was a failed EU level effort to have an EU fund set up to buy shells from non EU countries. A few of the member states blocked this (France, Greece, Cyprus).

The things they seem to have been trying to keep under wraps are the other details (when, how much, from what countries), not that they have been trying to make it happen. I expect we won't be certain about success/failure of the effort for a while.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122134718#Comment_122134718

What is needed is quantity, not wunderwaffe.

RoyalCelt

Danish F16 coming in months. Ukraine probably won't do a summer offensive now with aid not arriving. Unless it's a psyop.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136221#Comment_122136221

Czech president also on record that first few hundred thousand shells will arrive over next 3 weeks

BTW its interesting how pro Russia posters have projected their own experiences of rampant corruption higher up page onto the Czechians, that’s definitely a new dog whistle sound haven’t heard before

Edit: Sweden now second country to ask to host US nuclear weapons

https://twitter.com/United24media/status/1790053553001595112

TheValeyard

Hoping this proves to be true

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1790306789650473102

RoyalCelt

Why would Sweden and Poland only host nukes during wartime? Would you not be better off setting up a deterrent now?

thomil

Ironically, Sweden was quite a way towards developing its own deterrent in the 1950s and 1960s. The plan called for a full nuclear triad including a domestically developed nuclear bomber, missile system and even, according to some sources, a nuclear-capable submarine for use in the Baltic. Design work had begun on the Saab A36 nuclear bomber and the Robot-330 nuclear missile system, while the first generation of Swedish nuclear powerplants were designed to also provide weapons grade materials if required. The project was eventually stifled by increasing political resistance within Sweden as well as pressure from the US, and the plan was buried by 1968.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122135592#Comment_122135592

I don't understand your point. Is this not how conscription works? Citizens who are not greatly in favour of endangering themselves are called up by their state to defend it. They may be unwilling but that's the duty of a citizen. Otherwise there's little point in being a citizen of a state.

The wider EU has refugee / asylum problems, it's a hot political topic in many EU states. Ukraine has a manpower problem in the defence forces. If Ukraine requests EU states to cooperate as regards repatriating Ukrainian citizens wanted for conscription, I don't see how or why EU would not help Ukraine. The issues dovetail with each other and can be solved simultaneously.

Repatriating is the key word here - it's based on the word patriot and the patriotic duty of Ukrainian citizens is to defend their state as required.

saabsaab

They could offer citizenship to asylum seekers to volunteer?

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136611#Comment_122136611

No EU state is going to deport men back to Ukraine in a scenario where they would be immediately conscripted to fight in a war. It's simply not going to happen for both political, moral and legal reasons.

Mr Disco

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136689#Comment_122136689

those lazy dogs who fled need to go back and fight for their country

Sleepy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136718#Comment_122136718

You're right. We should re-patriate every Russian living outside Putin's grasp. Preferably armed and trained to over-throw the corrupt regime they've fled to the decadent west to avoid… /s

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136689#Comment_122136689

What moral reasons do you refer to? Morality would suggest completely the opposite, it's morally right to defend your country.

As for legal issues, if Ukraine as a sovereign state requests this from EU states, where's the problem?

Politically, there are no issues. No EU government party is going to lose votes by assisting Ukraine in this matter, if they request it. Quite probably the opposite.

I think you need to look a bit harder at this issue.

zerosquared

@patnor1011 made a post earlier about how in west we are incapable of mass production

Which is so hilarious as the military industrial complex was not one of the industrial sectors to have collapsed or outsourced to China unlike most of everything else

Repeatedly we have likes the head of Rheinmetal saying that the problems are not capacity but simply lack of orders, and we seen how plants in US such as one in Pennsylvania already reached their monthly targets that’s were meant to not be reached by 2027, 6bn out of recent US package is for shell manufacturing alone

But anyways here is a 50+ page white paper on Russia experts about state of Russian industry

https://assets-global.website-files.com/65ca33870401867f9de42990/65d85b88de8fba03ae83ea46_Rhodus.%20How%20Russia%20makes%20missiles.pdf

Here are key conclusions:

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122132643#Comment_122132643

What are you not grasping about the concept?

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122134902#Comment_122134902

It must be tea-break time out in Newtownmountkennedy for them… "quick lads, get online and start talking about foreigners needing to be sent home like ye know what ye're talking about".

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136757#Comment_122136757

You keep raising this point, and you are simply wrong in everything you say.

Both Ukraine and Ireland are signatories to the Geneva Convention, which explicitly seeks to eliminate 'refoulement', the forced return of citizens who are fleeing war. What you are suggesting as 'reasonable' and 'patriotic' is unethical and illegal.

Having said that, not everyone has to pick up a gun during wartime. Ukrainians over here could well be hacking Russian banks and infrastructure, or working on engineering and trades qualifications here and now for when they go back to rebuild their country later on.

Seriously, stop with the whole 'ship them back' routine, it's a bad look.

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136922#Comment_122136922

He won't debate that point with you because he can't debate that point. He'll pop up again in a while banging the same drum and talk about how he was 'censured'.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136221#Comment_122136221

Ukraine will be all out to hold the line this summer and that is with the aid coming.

An offensive will require multiples of that aid and mass conscription and big losses.

They should get that aid.

Europeans need to pull the finger out and remember that sometimes you have to fight, turning the other cheek and self loathing are fun for rich activists but not good for societies.

The only thing worse than war is losing one. The people lined up against us don't care if we fight back or not.

The reality is that Ukraine will probably not now gain the lost territory for a long time, that is a great loss for them and a deep loss for all Europe.

It is an incredible encouragement to bad actors everywhere.

We should have seen mass hardware flowing freely in to Ukraine, the Houthis should have had round the clock bombing for 2 months of every asset above a 3 legged donkey and one in their org above cleaning staff.

Iran should have been let know that if it continued attacking neighbours that it would have every power plant and water dam taken out and see how the Ayatollahs get on then.

Hamas and Hezbollah, the same.

These are all allies of Russia and China, all on the one page, hitting them helps Ukraine, hurts Putin.

They will keep coming unless stopped.

This time it's different, yeah right.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136949#Comment_122136949

Probably posted on this issue about 5 or 6 times over the past months.

Furze being very active in the immigration threads tells you all you need to know about his agenda.

Mr. CooL ICE

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136979#Comment_122136979

5 or 6 times? You're too generous

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136689#Comment_122136689

Russia is counting on that.

Say my name

It looks like Putin's Africa corps was involved in the failed bid to cross into Kharkiv.

This is a mercenary group set up after the dissolution of Wagner. Putin named it after Hitler's Afrikakorps. These are recruited in the poorest countries in Africa. Mali, Burkino faso and more.

The child Putin is living out his childhood dreams.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136757#Comment_122136757

As for legal issues, if Ukraine as a sovereign state requests this from EU states, where's the problem?

I would suggest this level of understanding of the Irish legal system and the complete irrelevance of this point suggests that it is you who needs to look a bit harder at this issue.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136611#Comment_122136611

"it's based on the word patriot and the patriotic duty of Ukrainian citizens is to defend their state as required."

EErm, no its not

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122136979#Comment_122136979

I have no problem at all with supporting Ukraine. Do you?

And as you should know, there is a very distinct difference between war refugees and international asylum applicants.

Funny how it's the same people who always pop up to try and rubbish this Ukrainian manpower issue.

But I predict it's a matter that will see more attention in the coming days/ weeks. Not going away anyway.

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122137013#Comment_122137013

Did you not one time post you had a Serbian father?

Did he come to Ireland to flee the war or were you born in Serbia or what was the story?