Russia - threadbanned users in OP

BluePlanet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118534913#Comment_118534913

Doubt it. They have Crimea and will be keeping it. Now both Ukraine and Georgia will probably never be accepted into NATO as doing so is to invite direct confrontation with Russia. It's not a bad result for running some military exercises on their RUS/UKR border.

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118535000#Comment_118535000

This particular nugget has gone over and over and clearly a pill that various Russian propaganda peddlers still believe/push

SmokyMo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118535000#Comment_118535000

False. Polls were widely falsified. Tatars were deported. Anyone with hostile anti russian opinion were prosecuted. Thousands left the peninsula after fist sighting of green men.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118535000#Comment_118535000

No your wrong....

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118535037#Comment_118535037

Are you serious? This is fact.

Are you actually that delusional with this anti Russian anti Putin stance that you cannot accept simple facts?

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118535059#Comment_118535059

No I live in reality. You however are designed to distort reality. But sure look easily spotted 'wha'.

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118535045#Comment_118535045

Oh Jesus, what have I just read, I’m not even going to argue with people like this.

So the referendum was all false, all the polls that get taken around Crimea by different sources over the past number of years are all made up Russian propaganda?

I would usually blame western media for having people so brainwashed but I don’t think western media even tries to deny Crimea wants to be part of Russia.

hello how are you

There are a lot of comments so I'm sure my insight below has been discussed already, but if Mexico was buddying-up with Russia and there was talk of Mexico joining Russia's military pact, which possibly means Russian soldiers on the US border, the US would not allow this.

Russia is a **** but the double standards are annoying.

Yurt2

One of the tragedies of Crimea is that fomrerly one of the most cosmopolitan and ethnically diverse slivers of land in the region (was home to Bulgarians, Greeks, Germans, Jews, Turks, Russians, Ukrainians and above all the native Tartars) is being whitewashed of its unique history and painted as some sort of Russian heartland since time immemorial as a pretext for flouting international law and revanchism.

Crimea only became Russian ethnic majority in the mid-20th century after concentrated ethnic cleansing. To hear Irish people parrot the low-resolution propaganda is a sad one.

Harryd225

Will a western media source clear this up for people? This isn’t some Vladimir Putin conspiracy, Crimeans overwhelmingly want to be part of Russia.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/03/20/one-year-after-russia-annexed-crimea-locals-prefer-moscow-to-kiev/amp/

“One year after the annexation of the Ukrainian peninsula in the Black Sea, poll after poll shows that the locals there — be they Ukrainians, ethnic Russians or Tatars are mostly all in agreement: life with Russia is better than life with Ukraine”.

Can one of you please explain how you possibly believe otherwise? How brainwashed do you have to be with this Anti Russian rhetoric to be denying this?

Gatling

In the words of will Smith now that's some funny **** 👆☝️

Gatling

Some one left the doors open in dundrum again

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118534002#Comment_118534002

If the Russians went full scale they'd be on the banks of the Dnieper fairly swiftly.

The fun would start then.

The problem with Germany is easily discovered by looking at where Gerhard Schroder is now, and the political career of it's current Chancellor Olof Scholz.

Pro Russian, pro Marxist, anti capitalist, anti NATO politicians.

joseywhales

I am not understanding this threat that people seems to be talking about from NATO. When was the last time NATO invaded a country?

cheezums

Yes Crimea is pretty strongly pro Russian. However, this isn't a justification for Russias annexation of it. It would be like the UK annexing parts of west cork cause of all the brits there.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118535346#Comment_118535346

Apparently Afghanistan was a lovely place with a great government and happy people until Nato invaded and bombed it back to the stone age.........

And Russia were never in Afghanistan ever

BluePlanet

NATO invaded Libya in 2011, nice the way that one turned out too huh?

Elmer Blooker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118535423#Comment_118535423

and handed over the country to gangsters who relieve people of their life savings, put them on leaking boats to drown in their thousands in the Mediterranean , nice work NATO.

Elmer Blooker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118535109#Comment_118535109

speaking of brainwashed, you’d want to hear some of raving loonies on Liveline

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118535423#Comment_118535423

So what are Russian forces doing in Libya exactly

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118535423#Comment_118535423

Strictly speaking this is false. NATO did not invade: there was no army presence from any NATO country. What was done largely by 2 European NATO members (UK and France) was to help overthrow Gaddafi by bombing his forces. The US was not directly involved, but provided some logistical support (reluctantly as far as I can recall).

Before this happened the mad Colonel G had threatened all-out war on his own people who opposed him. There was quite a lot of popular demand in the West to "do something". The trouble was, it's easy to get rid of a murderous dictator like Saddam of Col G , but almost impossible to construct a benign and functional regime to replace them, the long-term damage to civil society was so great.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118535586#Comment_118535586

Russia also didn't use their veto at the Security Council on Libya with regard to the NATO operation. They assented to the operation because they were licking their chops at the thought of securing influence in the country.

The poster also may want to take a look at the Russian presence on the ground today and try to deduce what they're up to. Most alarmingly, the Wagner mercenary group (interestingly made their debut in Ukraine in 2014), who are there in large numbers - and totally, absolutely aren't a shadow army of the Kremlin getting stuck in on behalf of Russian national interests. No sir.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118535109#Comment_118535109

Fine, so if that was the case, why did Russia not just hold a referendum in Crimea back then? Same thing with Ukraine...no need for all this posturing ( I hope that is all it is ) Quick referendum, ethic Russian population vote to become a part of Russia, new border drawn. Problem solved. But that's not the case is it? Because if Vladimir was that sure of it, it would have happened....all legitimate and above board, recognized world wide, but he wasn't, so he invades. Da Tovarishch Spassiba.

Gatling

We won't get an answer about what Russia is doing in Libya or Mali very recently after a coup and elsewhere ,the posters who rant and rave about nato do so because it's easy to spell while repeating it's all Americas fault and it's all CIA propaganda .

That's the whole argument ,nato did this and America did that yada ,yada yada

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118535643#Comment_118535643

What are you talking about? “Why did Russia not hold a referendum back then” hold a referendum back when? They held one in 2014 which showed the overwhelming majority of people in Crimea wanting to be part of Russia.

Some of the posters on this thread are so brainwashed they have been trying to tell me that no one in Crimea wants to be part of Russia and it’s all just Russian propaganda and rigged referendums.

These posters have since decided to drop the subject and move on to other anti Russian subjects since I posted western articles showing that every single poll taken in Crimea no matter the source (western or Russian or otherwise) all show the overwhelming majority of people in Crimea wanting to be part of Russia.

Gatling

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110% of the population of Crimea voted to join Russia despite Ukrainians been blocked from voting ,

Still nobody can answer how a 56% (R) to 48% population (U) turned into 110%

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118535351#Comment_118535351

Or like the 6 counties of Ireland?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118535879#Comment_118535879

But the 6 counties don't have 110% population of British or 110% Irish population just like in Crimea or Georgia , Serbia, Moldova .....

Yurt2

There are Russian majority areas in many countries, from northern Khazakstan to Eastern Estonia. Doubtless, the apologists would rationalise little green men on holdiay and illegal referendums under the barrel of the gun there too. And as it happens, there are Duma members (members of Putin's party), who publically cast doubt on Khazakstan's sovereinginty to this very end. Estonia can chill out on this front for one reason only - they are in NATO.

The Crimea referendum was repugnant to the Ukrainian constitutional and legal order, and was rolled out and conducted at the behest of Moscow with no international observation. That's the long and the short of it.