Russia - threadbanned users in OP

generic_throwaway · 08-03-2022 8:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118752490#Comment_118752490

As they accept virtually none of his refugees.

Gatling · 08-03-2022 8:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118753096#Comment_118753096

You assume the correct position .

Bend over and kiss your backside good bye

odyssey06 · 08-03-2022 8:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118753070#Comment_118753070

Stopping the war that just buys time for Russia and neuters Ukraine isnt peace. Russia took Crimea and stirred up Donbas etc. You would be a fool to think a deal now would be the end of it. It would just be another Munich.

It would have to be a legal treaty passed by the parliaments/congress of the observing powers either NATO or EU. Ukraine would not be able to station NATO troops or strategic missiles but an attack on it would be considered an attack on NATO.

The 1994 agreement wasnt a treaty.

Dohnjoe · 08-03-2022 8:14pm

Another map, Russia has a huge advantage in armor, aircraft and materials, however note the difference in manpower

Gatling · 08-03-2022 8:14pm

Poland asks other countries to follow suit and act in a similar way with their Migs

rogber · 08-03-2022 8:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118753090#Comment_118753090

You seem to take glee in that fact. Pretty revolting

08-03-2022 8:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118752289#Comment_118752289

Only to a specific level.

A couple of security researchers that I know through various forums and work have been doing a good bit of mapping on them and no surprise that they have switched from mainly covid being a hoax, wailing about masks etc to Ukraine should concede, NATO and the EU being weak etc

While some are hard to get at, the type of idiots who believe repost their crap are easy targets.

Now while there are organisations that legally offer services to help companies and individuals find out who is trolling them, there are other groups who do some troll hunting and they have increased especially since Covid hit and what these lads do to these idiots isn't as nice and legal, and they are already targeting those trolling in relation to Ukraine.

Gatling · 08-03-2022 8:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118753128#Comment_118753128

Would you rather I copy other low level newly registered posters in calling for Ukraine to surrender.

Not going to happen

Supercell · 08-03-2022 8:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118753075#Comment_118753075

Christ, things are going to get even more tense very soon. Giving them to the US, is Putin going to buy that? This should not have been announced.

Dohnjoe · 08-03-2022 8:16pm

From the same source, another assessment of the potential upcoming 2 to 4 days concerning Kyiv and potential Russian moves on the city

fly_agaric · 08-03-2022 8:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118753080#Comment_118753080

Oh dear, would say so many of these useful idiots and quislings all over Europe will be running to Mother Google and invoking the right to be forgotten (or trying to?)! As posted before I hope the stink clings.

Dohnjoe · 08-03-2022 8:18pm

View from a BBC economics editor

"Two G7 nations cannot ban the world’s second largest oil producer without tangible consequences.

Some of this is already factored in to the global price for crude oil, record pump petrol and particularly diesel prices.

President Biden was candid with the American people that there was a “price” for freedom.

PM Johnson hopes that the price can be minimised by phasing in a ban over the course of this year.

Even without formal diplomatic bans, an unofficial embargo is occurring in the markets. Shell was pilloried by Ukraine’s foreign minister for buying a cheap tanker of unwanted Russian crude, and has since apologised. Another tanker was turned away from Tranmere docks by unions refusing to offload the crude, and is now waiting near Orkney for a purchaser.

Though there are no sanctions on Russian energy in the EU plan, if followed, it will have a bigger overall impact on the energy market. And most of the West is trying to do the same thing at the same time.

But this is the economic weapon that will most hit the Kremlin. Oil revenues are much more important than gas revenues. There are also other options for the world’s supply of crude oil, stretching from Venezuela to the Gulf.

This will come with a price, paid by everyone. It was a price President Putin assumed Western populations would not want to pay. It is now happening."

Gatling · 08-03-2022 8:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118753138#Comment_118753138

I said it previously I think they are going to bait putin into doing something he's immediately going to regret ,

They already publicly said they were supplying Ukraine with real time intelligence on the ground,US and NATO Aircraft and drones operating over and close to Ukraine and still nothing from putin despite his public threats .

Bayonet · 08-03-2022 8:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118753119#Comment_118753119

So Ukraine wouldn't be 'in' NATO and wouldn't be allowed to station NATO peacekeepers, but would be protected by NATO if attacked. Hmmm, don't think that's going to fly.

gmisk · 08-03-2022 8:20pm

This could be a big help!

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1501272319192412162?t=u3aVaFgUxQmhOLbPs4mLkg&s=19

ronivek · 08-03-2022 8:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118753138#Comment_118753138

I presume announcing it is part of applying further political pressure on Russia and giving Ukraine a boost.

The wording is particularly interesting though: the fighters are being moved to Germany and given into the custody of the US. How long would it actually take to get them to Ukraine; and by what means? Surely it's going to take significantly longer via that route; and it also means they're definitely not going to be operated from Polish (and by extension NATO) airfields. How do they get protected en route and in Ukraine?

Working class heroes · 08-03-2022 8:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118752796#Comment_118752796

It’s amazing the amount of Russians you know Wibbs, it really is.

Gatling · 08-03-2022 8:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118753165#Comment_118753165

An extra 23 combat jets definitely going to be a big help ,be interesting to see if other countries follow suit

realdanbreen · 08-03-2022 8:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118753113#Comment_118753113

Take it you haven't a clue then.

Gatling · 08-03-2022 8:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118753186#Comment_118753186

Do you think there is an answer to your question about a nuclear weapon flying towards you ,

The answer is your dead ,

gandalf · 08-03-2022 8:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118753174#Comment_118753174

I assume some Ukrainian pilots will be "visiting" the base and will have to borrow the planes to get home.....😉

A bit like all those Russian troops going on "holidays" in Crimea in 2014.

08-03-2022 8:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118750503#Comment_118750503

I am a center-right European who believes in the superiority of western civilization. I once subscribed to the Fukuyama hypothesis, that the whole world would end up modelled on the west, and that we would all live in a wonderful world of reason, democracy, individual rights and helpful technology. I hoped for a unified western world buttressed by the USA and Canada in the western hemisphere, and a European Union stretching from Galway to Vladivostok in Eurasia - the Global North ringfenced with friendly relations between the states of Western Civilization.

As I've aged, I've become a realist. My primary concern now is to conserve and preserve the west. To see it hold the line. My view today is basically the same as Professor John Mearsheimer's.

International Relations is all about keeping the USA, the UK, France, Germany, Russia, Turkey, Iran, India, China and Japan from fighting each other. That's it. These are the countries that matter globally in terms of war and peace.

A first step to achieving peace is to recognize that each of these Powers have red lines that the other players should know about, and understand -- not out of tolerance, but out of the need to avoid another major war.

The US's red lines are explained in the Monroe Doctrine. Russia's red lines (in its western borderlands) are that Ukraine and Georgia (and Belarus) should not be in NATO or the EU. Russia has been very forthright about this for over a decade. And Russia has its reasons, its own perspective. If cut off from the Black Sea, the Caucasus and the Caspian Sea by a hostile force rolling across the steppe from eastern Ukraine, Russia wouldn't be a viable state any longer. Now you don't have to like or respect or agree with Russia's reasons, but you have to know that the Russians believe in these reasons very, very deeply, and that if you violate them, you will provoke a war. And this is precisely what has happened.

Unfortunately, small states exist at the pleasure of great powers. People say that sovereign states are free to do as they wish. But that's not how the world actually works. Any democratically elected Irish government could test this by quitting the EU and inviting the Chinese to establish naval bases and airfields in Donegal, Dublin, Rosslare, Galway and Ringaskiddy, in exchange for economic investment. The Irish people could even favor this policy overwhelmingly. We would be well within our rights to develop such a relationship with China, but the US, the UK and France would perceive it as an existential risk and immediately take action to stop it. (The Russians might even participate in these actions themselves.)

Russia has committed a crime in attacking Ukraine and its leaders would ideally be removed from power and made to answer for the murder and destruction they have wrought. But if Putin were deposed, it's not a sure thing that he'd be replaced by a more moderate leader. We could well get an even more belligerent man in the Kremlin. For their parts, the US, Germany, France and the UK have pursued - and are still pursuing - the provocative goal of wresting Ukraine from Russia's orbit. The success of that policy may be viewed today. I don't personally believe that the elected leaders of any of these countries know the first thing about why Russia values Ukraine, Georgia and Belarus so much. Some of the mandarins probably do. George Kennan certainly did.