Several dead in German knife attack

BorneTobyWilde

suicide_circus wrote: »

The video of the townsfolk chasing him up the street is heartening.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RosannaMrtnz/status/1408476997538435079

Throwing chairs at him gently , and at his feet. You have to go FULL RETARD
on a Full Psycho.
Me I'd be throwing that chair full force with all my strength at his ****ig face.

Sand

Well, when you invite the world to your country as Germany has done then you receive the world's problems. I honestly am jaded on these attacks. They have happened before and they will continue to happen. Advocates for open borders and multiculturalism are incredibly reckless - the harsh reality is that they have condemned Europeans to centuries of mayhem and bloodshed. All for nothing.

KevRossi

From various German news sites (SZ, Main Post, Bild)

Went into a Woolworth's, asked for where the knives are, picked on up and started to stab people.
3 dead, some in shop.
Injured one child, whose father is possibly among the dead.
6 seriously injured, not yet sure if they will all survive.
24 year old Somalian asylum seeker. Know to police, has previously been in psychiatric treatment.
Believed to be acting alone, police not looking for another attacker.

Dyr

peasant wrote: »

While German police are all armed at least with a sidearm, they're still not supposed to shoot to kill if it can be avoided.
In fact, there are pretty strict rules around using your weapon as a police officer.

This ain't Murica, no trial by cop.

America has pretty strict rules on shooting people, they have to present an immediate danger to life to be shot.

What that video shows is a German cop letting civilians risk their lives because he wont act, I wouldnt be too proud of cowardice buddy.

fullstop

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Throwing chairs at him gently , and at his feet. You have to go FULL RETARD
on a Full Psycho.
Me I'd be throwing that chair full force with all my strength at his ****ig face.

Realistically you’d probably be running away ****ting yourself.

peasant

Sand wrote: »

Well, when you invite the world to your country as Germany has done then you receive the world's problems....

Germany has recruited "Gastarbeiter" (foreign workers) from (among other states) Turkey, Marokko and Tunisia since the early 1960's

I remember with horror the almost daily muslim terror attacks from my childhood in the 60's, 70' and 80's ...not :pac:

Sand

peasant wrote: »

Germany has recruited "Gastarbeiter" (foreign workers) from (among other states) Turkey, Marokko and Tunisia since the early 1960's

I remember with horror the almost daily muslim terror attacks from my childhood in the 60's, 70' and 80's ...not :pac:

Well you can look forward to the 2060s, 2070s and 2080s....

Faugheen

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

In order to reply to you, I will assume you are not being a d1ck and are actually interested.

Terrorism can be broken into categories, state sponsored, religiously inspired, separatist or ethno-nationalist, left wing and anarchist, right wing or single issue terrorism, etc.

This particular type of attack is typical and consistent with religiously inspired attacks. In which the overwhelming majority of contemporary religiously inspired attacks are Jihadist or Jihadist ideological/supporter/imitator. Jihad is an Islamic term, hence this type of attack is usually a Muslim or any other denomination acting in support of Muslims....but mainly Muslim.

Now, while I have academic and professional experience in the field, I won't be linking every single thing I have read or written on the subject, for your benefit.

03 Jan 2020: A french man who converted to Islam stabbed and killed 1, injured 3 in France.

04 Apr 2020: A Sudanese refugee stabbed 7 people, killing 5 in France. Motive was France is a country of "Unbelief", a reference to Islam.

27 Apr 2020: A French man who pledged allegiance to Islamic State rammed French police officers. He had a knife but was arrested before he could use it.

18 Aug 2020: An Iraqi asylum seeker vehicle rammed a number of cars in Germany, religiously motivated.

25 Sept 2020: A Pakistani man with a meat cleaver went to the old Charlie Hebdo premises in France and stabbed 2 people.

04 Oct 2020: A Syrian national stabbed a gay couple, killing 1 in France. Religious motive against western liberal culture.

16 Oct 2020: A male of Chechin decent decapitated a French school teacher for discussing the Prophet Mohammed.

Also the Notre Dame and Austria attack.

Hope that helps.

You gave me a list of attacks to suit your agenda, which is not what I asked for.

You said 'the vast majority' are by Muslims. Prove it.

spacetweek

Sand wrote: »

Advocates for open borders and multiculturalism are incredibly reckless - the harsh reality is that they have condemned Europeans to centuries of mayhem and bloodshed. All for nothing.

You don't get Muslim immigrants doing this type of thing in America. It's easier to culturally integrate over there than in Europe. We should be taking a leaf out of their book.
The key to this is to insist that the immigrants become naturalised, but over here it often doesn't happen.

Sand

spacetweek wrote: »

You don't get Muslim immigrants doing this type of thing in America. It's easier to culturally integrate over there than in Europe. We should be taking a leaf out of their book.
The key to this is to insist that the immigrants become naturalised, but over here it often doesn't happen.

Are African Americans and White Americans culturally integrated in your opinion?

HalfAndHalf

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

In order to reply to you, I will assume you are not being a d1ck and are actually interested.

Terrorism can be broken into categories, state sponsored, religiously inspired, separatist or ethno-nationalist, left wing and anarchist, right wing or single issue terrorism, etc.

This particular type of attack is typical and consistent with religiously inspired attacks. In which the overwhelming majority of contemporary religiously inspired attacks are Jihadist or Jihadist ideological/supporter/imitator. Jihad is an Islamic term, hence this type of attack is usually a Muslim or any other denomination acting in support of Muslims....but mainly Muslim.

Now, while I have academic and professional experience in the field, I won't be linking every single thing I have read or written on the subject, for your benefit.

03 Jan 2020: A french man who converted to Islam stabbed and killed 1, injured 3 in France.

04 Apr 2020: A Sudanese refugee stabbed 7 people, killing 5 in France. Motive was France is a country of "Unbelief", a reference to Islam.

27 Apr 2020: A French man who pledged allegiance to Islamic State rammed French police officers. He had a knife but was arrested before he could use it.

18 Aug 2020: An Iraqi asylum seeker vehicle rammed a number of cars in Germany, religiously motivated.

25 Sept 2020: A Pakistani man with a meat cleaver went to the old Charlie Hebdo premises in France and stabbed 2 people.

04 Oct 2020: A Syrian national stabbed a gay couple, killing 1 in France. Religious motive against western liberal culture.

16 Oct 2020: A male of Chechin decent decapitated a French school teacher for discussing the Prophet Mohammed.

Also the Notre Dame and Austria attack.

Hope that helps.

If only those pesky Muslims followed a nice peaceful religion like Christianity, then they’d have never killed anyone with their silly religious crusades!!

https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/crusades-causes-history-when-how-many-were-there-death-toll/

Sadler Peak

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Oh ffs here we go :rolleyes:

I know right, another terrorist attack in Europe. Terrible. RIP to those murdered.

Das Reich

spacetweek wrote: »

You don't get Muslim immigrants doing this type of thing in America. It's easier to culturally integrate over there than in Europe. We should be taking a leaf out of their book.
The key to this is to insist that the immigrants become naturalised, but over here it often doesn't happen.

You don't get Muslim doing this in any Latin American country, you know the reason? Its not about integration.

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

If only those pesky Muslims followed a nice peaceful religion like Christianity, then they’d have never killed anyone with their silly religious crusades!!

https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/crusades-causes-history-when-how-many-were-there-death-toll/

Look at this they are talking about things nearly a millenia ago.

HalfAndHalf

Das Reich wrote: »

You don't get Muslim doing this in any Latin American country, you know the reason? Its not about integration.



Look at this they are talking about things nearly a millenia ago.

Yeah things nearly a millennia ago gets a lot of traction round here didn’t ya know! Or are you saying if it’s that long ago all should be forgotten? Hmmmm

Also, not a Muslim, but I like the bigoted ‘they’ comment!

kildare lad

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

In order to reply to you, I will assume you are not being a d1ck and are actually interested.

Terrorism can be broken into categories, state sponsored, religiously inspired, separatist or ethno-nationalist, left wing and anarchist, right wing or single issue terrorism, etc.

This particular type of attack is typical and consistent with religiously inspired attacks. In which the overwhelming majority of contemporary religiously inspired attacks are Jihadist or Jihadist ideological/supporter/imitator. Jihad is an Islamic term, hence this type of attack is usually a Muslim or any other denomination acting in support of Muslims....but mainly Muslim.

Now, while I have academic and professional experience in the field, I won't be linking every single thing I have read or written on the subject, for your benefit.

03 Jan 2020: A french man who converted to Islam stabbed and killed 1, injured 3 in France.

04 Apr 2020: A Sudanese refugee stabbed 7 people, killing 5 in France. Motive was France is a country of "Unbelief", a reference to Islam.

27 Apr 2020: A French man who pledged allegiance to Islamic State rammed French police officers. He had a knife but was arrested before he could use it.

18 Aug 2020: An Iraqi asylum seeker vehicle rammed a number of cars in Germany, religiously motivated.

25 Sept 2020: A Pakistani man with a meat cleaver went to the old Charlie Hebdo premises in France and stabbed 2 people.

04 Oct 2020: A Syrian national stabbed a gay couple, killing 1 in France. Religious motive against western liberal culture.

16 Oct 2020: A male of Chechin decent decapitated a French school teacher for discussing the Prophet Mohammed.

Also the Notre Dame and Austria attack.

Hope that helps.

At least it's good to see that the terrorists are keeping it multicultural , a chechan chopping off a teachers head , a Syrian stabbing a gay guy. A sudanese stabbing 7 people . It's looks like the terrorists are listening to the EU and are diversifying their attacks and using different nationalities . Angela Merkel must be so proud

Snake Plisken

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

If only those pesky Muslims followed a nice peaceful religion like Christianity, then they’d have never killed anyone with their silly religious crusades!!

https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/crusades-causes-history-when-how-many-were-there-death-toll/

Oh yeah I remember it was all over twittter back in the 10th century! Ffs cop yourself on!

HalfAndHalf

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Oh yeah I remember it was all over twittter back in the 10th century! Ffs cop yourself on!

Ah sure it’s grand so, it’s so long ago let’s forget all about it, meanwhile we’ll still give out about the Brits every chance we get cos you know, we’re allowed like! LOL! Joker!

Tell me how

John Doe1 wrote: »

It's probably one of those extremist Lutherans....

But seriously, western society and Islam are incompatible and wokists have blood on their hands

There are millions of Muslims living in western society without any acrimony towards their neighbours, or from their neighbours towards them. Stop trying to stoke division.

Signore Fancy Pants

bewareofthedog wrote: »

I'd like to know if this is the case because of the increasing amounts of money spent on national security/monitoring preventing such attacks from happening, or if the numbers are just down in general.

I googled it and this site popped up, I don't know how legit it is. There must be statistics some where that show numbers including foiled attacks etc. The article is based on 2019.

https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/more-than-1-000-terrorists-arrested-across-europe-as-119-plots-uncovered-1.1038195

"Almost 120 terrorist plots were uncovered across Europe last year, resulting in more than 1,000 arrests.

ISIS was responsible for all but one of the 10 people killed.

The latest figures covering terrorist incidents in 2019 have been revealed in Europol's EU Terrorism Situation and Trend Report.

In total, 119 terrorist attacks were foiled, failed or completed last year in 13 EU countries, also resulting in 27 people being wounded, 26 of them by ISIS.

The 27th was hurt in a far-right terrorist attack.

The attacks led to 1,004 people being arrested on suspicion of terrorism-related offences in 19 EU member states, with Belgium, France, Italy, Spain and the UK reporting the highest numbers."

The EURPOL TE-SAT is the best place for consolidated unbiased data.

You have quoted last years report for 2019 data. The 2021 report for 2020 came out this week.

A quick info graphic attached showing both terrorism arrests vs attacks (all terrorism types) and another showing failed/foiled/completed Jihadist attacks.

The trend shows numbers of attacks is down but successful attacks is up.

It must be caveated by successful disruption of cells and financing by state authorities, combined with tighter travel/movement/opportunities being restricted during covid.

Snake Plisken

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Oh ffs here we go :rolleyes:

You gotta love how this guy can use his rolleyes emojees when there is an attack by his favourite religion! So stunning so brave!

Galwayguy35

peasant wrote: »

I'm just going to leave this here:



The suspect ... was receiving psychiatric treatment, according to the Bavarian minister of the interior*

https://www.rnd.de/panorama/drei-menschen-in-wuerzburg-erstochen-verdaechtiger-war-in-psychiatrischer-behandlung-RJWDB27Z2VHZ7PUW6DT2XTUY54.html

Ye can all wind your collective xenophobic / islamophobic necks back in again ...the guy's gaga first and foremost.

*The Innenminister would be the minister responsible for the police force, among other things

But he wouldn't be there if Merkel hadn't adopted an open border policy back in 2015.

Wibbs

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Oh yeah I remember it was all over twittter back in the 10th century! Ffs cop yourself on!

Never mind that the same crusades were in response to Islamic expansion and invasion. Well they'd lost Spain to the Umayyad conquests so were a tad twitchy. Still, in saying that I'd have rather lived in Islamic Spain than much of Christian Europe at the time. Then again the Umayyad rule wasn't overly fundamentalist in nature and neither was Islam when compared to Christianity of that time. That dark age came later and continued down to the 20th century. But I digress...

HalfAndHalf

WhomadeGod wrote: »

No wonder the woke posters are standing up for them so much.

Nobody is standing up for terrorists, it’s just laughable to see so many idiots lumping all Muslims into one pot. It’s pathetic, juvenile, bigoted thinking.

I’ve some poster called Das Reich (so May be German) saying ah well the Christians killed up to 9 million Muslims but that’s grand cos it was 800 years ago! Last time I checked the Nazis killed 6 million Jews only 80 years ago. So let’s lump all Germans together shall we! Utterly ridiculous thinking!

Signore Fancy Pants

peasant wrote: »

I'm just going to leave this here:



The suspect ... was receiving psychiatric treatment, according to the Bavarian minister of the interior*

https://www.rnd.de/panorama/drei-menschen-in-wuerzburg-erstochen-verdaechtiger-war-in-psychiatrischer-behandlung-RJWDB27Z2VHZ7PUW6DT2XTUY54.html

Ye can all wind your collective xenophobic / islamophobic necks back in again ...the guy's gaga first and foremost.

*The Innenminister would be the minister responsible for the police force, among other things

There are a number of cases where mental health issues have led/contributed to these attacks, with the attacker stating they had religious intent.

They are not mutually exclusive.

HalfAndHalf

Wibbs wrote: »

Never mind that the same crusades were in response to Islamic expansion and invasion. Well they'd lost Spain to the Umayyad conquests so were a tad twitchy. Still, in saying that I'd have rather lived in Islamic Spain than much of Christian Europe at the time. Then again the Umayyad rule wasn't overly fundamentalist in nature and neither was Islam when compared to Christianity of that time. That dark age came later and continued down to the 20th century. But I digress...

The point still being that comments like ‘ah but it’s the religion of peace’ is a bit ridiculous!

HalfAndHalf

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

Nobody is standing up for terrorists, it’s just laughable to see so many idiots lumping all Muslims into one pot. It’s pathetic, juvenile, bigoted thinking.

Well said. There looked to be a fair mix of people in the videos attempting to chase him off. Indeed a few you could speculate could have been migrants and a chance they could have also been Muslim, all with common cause trying to stop him causing further bloodshed.

Grueller

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Throwing chairs at him gently , and at his feet. You have to go FULL RETARD
on a Full Psycho.
Me I'd be throwing that chair full force with all my strength at his ****ig face.

And probably miss him and get stabbed.
Meanwhile a trained individual would use the chair as an obstacle,hopefully unbalance get the attacker and placing them at a disadvantage.

spacetweek

Whatever the solution to attacks like these is, it's not to close borders.

Burt Renaults

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Religion of peace. I'll bet the house on it.

If I was a betting man, I'd've bet the house and the life savings on someone gleefully using the term "Religion of Peace" on the first page of this thread.

Signore Fancy Pants

Faugheen wrote: »

You gave me a list of attacks to suit your agenda, which is not what I asked for.

You said 'the vast majority' are by Muslims. Prove it.

I don't have an agenda, I don't believe "all Muslims are terrorists".

Yeah, you need to read my previous posts again where I outlined the categories of terrorism.

I then explained that this type of low capability event is consistent with religiously inspired terrorism.

I then explained that it is consistent with Jihadist terrorism.

I then explained that Jihadism, is mainly a Islam/Muslim act.

I then listed an extract from the Europol TE-SAT report of this specific type if attack from 2020, highlighting motive/modus operandi.

If you can't follow, that's not my problem. The comment is gleaned from years of research, if you don't want to accept it, thats fine. Feel free to do your own research to counter it, I can't do any more for you.

HalfAndHalf

Burt Renaults wrote: »

If I was a betting man, I'd've bet the house and the life savings on someone gleefully using the term "Religion of Peace" on the first page of this thread.

To be fair we’re doing well what with all 1.8 billion Muslims in the world being terrorists! There must be a government coverup as to why we only hear about a few of the attacks!

kildare lad

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

There are a number of cases where mental health issues have led/contributed to these attacks, with the attacker stating they had religious intent.

They are not mutually exclusive.

Ireland has one of the highest mental health issues in Europe , we have cases of mentally ill killing their kids but I've yet to hear of someone randomly going around stabbing and killing as many strangers as they can for the fun of it , maybe it's a new type of mental illness that hasn't reached here yet .

Signore Fancy Pants

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

The EURPOL TE-SAT is the best place for consolidated unbiased data.

You have quoted last years report for 2019 data. The 2021 report for 2020 came out this week.

A quick info graphic attached showing both terrorism arrests vs attacks (all terrorism types) and another showing failed/foiled/completed Jihadist attacks.

The trend shows numbers of attacks is down but successful attacks is up.

It must be caveated by successful disruption of cells and financing by state authorities, combined with tighter travel/movement/opportunities being restricted during covid.

Sorry bewareofthedog.

Extracts of TE-SAT attached.

Sadler Peak

spacetweek wrote: »

Whatever the solution to attacks like these is, it's not to close borders.

What ? Really ? If borders were closed or at least had some control, a lot of people would be alive now in the UK, France, Germany etc........

The Manchester bomber got a free taxi from the British Navy. What did the UK got for their generosity ? 23 dead over 800 injured.

You are talking nonsense.

Sand

spacetweek wrote: »

Whatever the solution to attacks like these is, it's not to close borders.

It is not as simple as a binary open/closed border choice. But seeing as these attacks can only occur because of open borders, closed borders is certainly closer to the solution than open borders.

Sadler Peak

Burt Renaults wrote: »

If I was a betting man, I'd've bet the house and the life savings on someone gleefully using the term "Religion of Peace" on the first page of this thread.

Are they wrong ? :eek:

HalfAndHalf

Sadler Peak wrote: »

What ? Really ? If borders were closed or at least had some control, a lot of people would be alive now in the UK, France, Germany etc........

The Manchester bomber got a free taxi from the British Navy. What did the UK got for their generosity ? 23 dead over 800 injured.

You are talking nonsense.

And what exactly are we going to check? The 9/11 bombers went to America, took flying lessons then carried out the attacks. The US have very stringent border checks, you can’t even get in with a criminal record for minor offences.

Shall we just not allow any non-white people in on the basis of your brown or black you’re probably a terrorist.

Completely disjointed thinking.

KevRossi

Bambi wrote: »

America has pretty strict rules on shooting people, they have to present an immediate danger to life to be shot.

What that video shows is a German cop letting civilians risk their lives because he wont act, I wouldnt be too proud of cowardice buddy.

That isn't a German policeman, he's a normal security guard, definitely unarmed. The first police on the scene arrived in a BMW 3-Series estate.

HalfAndHalf

Sadler Peak wrote: »

Are they wrong ? :eek:

Well as I’ve said already, there’s 1.8 billion Muslims, nearly a third of the worlds population. Are you saying they’re all terrorists?

Montage of Feck

silverharp wrote: »

Always a Friday

I don't like Mondays.

Signore Fancy Pants

kildare lad wrote: »

Ireland has one of the highest mental health issues in Europe , we have cases of mentally ill killing their kids but I've yet to hear of someone randomly going around stabbing and killing as many strangers as they can for the fun of it , maybe it's a new type of mental illness that hasn't reached here yet .

Yeah, there seems to be a difference alright. I suppose it depends in the individuals environment, exposure and vulnerability.

In the context of continental Europe, it appears a percentage of attacks perpetrated by individuals have mental health issues. Many seemed to have been radicalised to an extent before committing attacks.

Sand

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

Well as I’ve said already, there’s 1.8 billion Muslims, nearly a third of the worlds population. Are you saying they’re all terrorists?

I'm saying the question is just academic for Europeans unless the rest of the world is invited to mass migrate to Europe.

Burt Renaults

Sadler Peak wrote: »

Are they wrong ? :eek:

There's something very wrong with people who derive such obvious delight from an act of mass murder.

HalfAndHalf

Sand wrote: »

I'm saying the question is just academic for Europeans unless the rest of the world is invited to mass migrate to Europe.

I didn’t respond to your post. So this makes absolutely no sense to me.

Sand

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

I didn’t respond to your post. So this makes absolutely no sense to me.

Well, let me break it down. You asked a question: Are you saying they’re all terrorists?

And I interjected to say: I'm saying the question [Your question above] is just academic for Europeans unless the rest of the world is invited to mass migrate to Europe.

So what I meant was your question (are all Muslim's terrorists) is irrelevant unless Europe invites mass migration. Hope it makes sense now.

Sadler Peak

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

Well as I’ve said already, there’s 1.8 billion Muslims, nearly a third of the worlds population. Are you saying they’re all terrorists?

Jaysus, they are member of that religion though! Aren't they ? No one as far as I can see is calling all muslims terrorists

bewareofthedog

Faugheen wrote: »

You said 'the vast majority' are by Muslims. Prove it.

This is a logic fail, even if it were true that the majority of attacks aren't Islam related ( which I strongly doubt over the last decade ).

Here's a silly hypothetical. If you had a broken arm ( terrorism in general ) would purposely breaking your toe be fine too because the broken arm is the bigger problem?

I don't get it - I guess when a certain political happening occurs that's no longer easy to brush aside the only thing left is to argue moot points and point the finger at other problems.

HalfAndHalf

Sand wrote: »

Well, let me break it down. You asked a question: Are you saying they’re all terrorists?

And I interjected to say: I'm saying the question [Your question above] is just academic for Europeans unless the rest of the world is invited to mass migrate to Europe.

So what I meant was your question (are all Muslim's terrorists) is irrelevant unless Europe invites mass migration. Hope it makes sense now.

So you interject into an existing thread and then condescend me by saying you hope it makes sense now.

Firstly your first post was gibberish in the context and secondly, my question isn’t irrelevant in the thread if you read what others have posted in their mass generalisations.
My question is extremely apt in response to those generalisations.

Thanks for your input though, really worthwhile!

kildare lad

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Yeah, there seems to be a difference alright. I suppose it depends in the individuals environment, exposure and vulnerability.

In the context of continental Europe, it appears a percentage of attacks perpetrated by individuals have mental health issues. Many seemed to have been radicalised to an extent before committing attacks.

What a relief the murderer had mental issues , I'm sure the families of the dead can sleep easier at night knowing that the killer had mental issues instead of being terrorist attack . If anything all these attacks do is boost support for right wing parties across Europe which had little to no support 15 years ago .

Strumms

peasant wrote: »

While German police are all armed at least with a sidearm, they're still not supposed to shoot to kill if it can be avoided.
In fact, there are pretty strict rules around using your weapon as a police officer.

This ain't Murica, no trial by cop.

While I know SFA about German law... if a person is attacking others with a deadly weapon, they should be within their rights to use deadly force to stop him...with deadly force..

Nobody is asking for trial by anything, just protection of citizens enduring a deadly violent attack with a sword wherever by whatever force necessary...

The sword isn’t a movie prop and he isn’t holding it to make a kebab..