Kilkenny GAA Thread

Marrooned

The housing estates in these small towns are Celtic tiger products probably 15 to 20 years old so the local gaa clubs have development well underway, or should have and so what if young players or their families come from outside the country. That statement was bordering or implying racism. I was called out for less and abused for stating facts.

dzer2

Hey lad your letting yourself down now. I am from a rural club and there are many new neighbours in the area very few if any have their children playing gaa. I know Paulstown fairly well and many people there both new and long standing I stand by what I said the housing estates are adding very little to the club. It's nearly the same all over.

Deskjockey

Generalising from my own experience here, but In my experience the new communities are very enthusiastic about sending their kids along when they are in the younger age groups but hurling is such a technical game that unless a kid is out pucking with his dad or neighbours and is actively encouraged to play and spend the time at it as they are growing, ultimately these kids will tend to not develop as much and tend to quit the game early. So that's why soccer clubs can hang onto these kids for longer (their parents and peers are out there kicking soccer with them)and why when it gets to u13 and u15 in hurling the names you generally hear on the pitch are Conor, Sean and Ryan as opposed to Kryztov, Pawel and Mohammed. Those new communities kids who make it through despite these difficulties must be extremely driven and talented. Maybe with the new generation of GDOs being appointed by clubs around the place can harness and encourage these players to keep at it as it would be great to see more of them coming through and distinguishing themselves in our national game.

Marrooned

Dzer2 when the population is their then it’s up to the clubs to entice the kids to play. Now I know what your saying about background tradition but surely pucking around the ball on the green is virtually gone anyway. Everything has to be organised for kids now anyway. You wouldn’t see too many groups of kids pucking around on their own. One last thing do you not see the improvement in Barrow rangers underage set up in the last few years, wasn’t there four representatives on the development squad teams I’d suggest that is massive improvement.

greenspurs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121049737#Comment_121049737

Were the mentors of those squads from B Rangers ??

😜

Marrooned

Dunno that one put it is still progress from a club that was struggling for years.

Marrooned

Really the national school’s aren’t doing the work for the GAA ike they used to so the slack has to be taken up by the local club, everyone is not going to go to the club so the club has to go to them, it’s not simple but that has to be done.

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121049841#Comment_121049841

Agreed, in the past it was a prerequisite for the next local principal to have a hurling background or at least one of the staff. I'm not saying it was entirely a good thing either because what he/she had on the pitch didn't always transfer to the academic side. But parents didn't care as long as matches were won. The same ones would pay for grinds just to get by the Junior Cert.

conor05

The best young hurlers in our club are still the lads who are at home pucking around with their brothers/sisters/fathers/mams/uncles in their garden every night.

You can tell a mile away the kids who have hurling parents at home, it’s become second nature to them from all the wee 20 minute puck abouts here and there at home.

1 or 2 hours of organised training a week is not going to make you a hurler.

greenspurs

Ritchie Hogans retirement from intercounty just announced....

Nedflanders02

Richie Hogan has announced his retirement today. A great hurler dogged by injuries the 5 years but always kept going and tried to get back on the pitch. As talented and gifted a hurler as we'll ever see, his goals in the 2011 all ireland and 2020 Leinster final were as good as you'll ever see. His performance in the drawn 2014 All Ireland must go down as one of his best 6 points from play.

https://www.the42.ie/richie-hogan-retires-kilkenny-6157784-Sep2023/

hogans heroes

What a player he was for kilkenny, absolute genius. Wish him all rhe best for the future.

Village87

Best of luck in retirement Riche, a true great. He won 7 All Ireland in his first 9 years and none in the last 8, pity we could not get one in the last year or 2 with Riche on the pitch.

blackcard

Richie was a joy to watch, being equally proficient off right and left and great at taking scores over his shoulder. His goal in the 2011 final epitomised his skill. Hurler of the year in 2014? Very unlucky with injuries over the last 7 or 8 years which meant he was operating at 80% of his capability. He was excellent in the air as well, showing that a smaller man can be the best.

I don't think he loved Cody after being subbed in a couple of All Irelands in 2014 after scoring 5 or 6 points.

I thought he was extremely unlucky to get a red card in 2019. Fair enough he caught Barrett on his head but there should have been mitigation as Barrett dropped in height suddenly as he leaned backwards into an almost sitting position.

Thanks to Richie for so many good memories, one of the best and bravest players I have seen

conor05

I noticed he didn’t thank Cody in his retirement statement alright but thanked Derek Lyng.

JJs Left Hand

The exodus has commenced. Doubt he'll be the last to call it.

Best of luck to him. An absolute genius whose body robbed him of the last 6 or 7 years.

Village87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121056460#Comment_121056460

Absolutely, I expect 6/7 older lads to retire or dropped over next few weeks

Charlie69

What a player…..a joy to watch and could play anywhere from midfield up. Absolute genius.

Butterbeans

Loved watching Richie play. His hand-eye coordination was off the charts and extremely hard to knock off the ball. There was a great interview with him during Covid (OTB i think), even with the ongoing injuries he was 100% dedicated to the cause.

Hope the injuries don't plague him in the future.

Had forgotten that 2020 goal against Galway in the LF, classic Richie.

Mad about baa baas

Best of luck to richie in his retirement..one of kilkennys all time greats surely ..his lack of height had very little impact on his effectiveness..excellent in the air..very very strong man..sublime skills..shame the injuries curtailed him so much in the latter stages

blackcard

A good win for Ballycallan against Glenmore. They made good use of the ball and hit quality ball into the likes of Ryan Corcoran who scored 4 points. Their half back line was well on top of Glenmore who depended on Ger Aylward from play and Alan Murphy from placed balls.

Of the 2015 All-Ireland winning Kilkenny team, Richie Hogan, Richie Power and Ger Aylward were beset by injuries afterwards

Alonzo Moseley

Good wishes to Richie Hogan and thanks for a great career. It was a privilege to watch him.

The last few years must have been so frustrating on him, always bothered by injuries and never getting a good run of it.

I feel he was also treated callously by Cody (even in his prime) and the failure of him to even mention Cody today, is telling for me.

But, enough of that for now. (as Haughey said when retiring 😀), Richie Hogan, a hurling wizard.

AhBoyDelaney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058383#Comment_121058383

Explain how he was treated callously by Cody. He should have thanked Cody as everything he won was under him. All he had to say was thanks to all the KK mgmt teams. I think it was petty not to say thanks.

conor05

Richie can sign off anyway he wants to,

It was his statement and not anybody else’s.

Yes I agree, they won a lot when Cody was manager but a lot of the players couldn’t stand him.

It’s not up to a manager to be liked but a player isn’t going to leave out a manager in a big retirement statement unless something serious was happening.

AhBoyDelaney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121058679#Comment_121058679

Basic manners to say thanks to someone. As I said all he had to say was Thanks to all the KK mgmt teams I played under and then people could read into whatever way they wanted.

conor05

What I am saying to you is you nor I know the reason why Cody didn’t get thanked.

But Richie must have a very valid reason and I can respect that.

He wasn’t being false.

blackcard

O'Loughlin Gaels had a comfortable 7 points win over Clara helped by the latter's wastefulness. OLG had 16 shots to Clara's 22 in the first half but led by 15 to 10. Owen Wall was the star turn for OLG scoring 6 points, there was a lot of quality ball played into him and Sean Bolger. All forwards scored for OLG, Jordan Molloy played well also. David Fogarty was quiet. Clara were solid but shooting was poor.

Tullaroan bead Danesfort 2-21 to 1-19, Mossy Keoghan put in a good shift as did Tomas Dunne but the team is not going as well as last year yet. Danesfort were missing Richie Hogan and missed 4 scorable frees. Still they displayed enough today to show that they will have a fighting chance to avoid relegation

Marrooned

Boro left it late today with Aran Murphy coming on to secure the win shooting two good points to win it by four points. Boro let Mullinavat back into it and should have closed the game out in the last 20 minutes.

forchange

Well done Richie for all the great entertainment you gave kilkenny hurling

congrats on your statement

watched John Walsh give a great display today and he just back great game again John Walsh 1/10 gaffney more goals and as most of you great hurling brains say they not good enough

Marrooned

I agree with you John Walsh was excellent yesterday and punished us every time. Also Tom Kenny was a stand out performer for the Boro and should be looked at again.

blackcard

2-11 for TJ, Red card for Eoin Cody and a 7 point win for Bennettsbridge. The Bridge had a deserved 2 point lead early in the second half when Eoin Cody got a second yellow card in a niggly game. The referee seemed to lose control of the game. TJ carried Ballyhale even when he was being double marked. Enda Morrissey, Kevin Blanchfield,Jason Cleere and Sean Morrissey were best for the Bridge.

The Shamrocks look to be vulnerable missing Joey Holden, Darren Mullen, Ronan Corcoran, Brian Cody, Joey Cuddihy and Colin Fennelly from last year, Paddy Mullen also went off injured

JJs Left Hand

An outrageous list of club players to be missing. If they win it this year serious questions need to be asked of the rest of the county really doesn't there. It would be incredible if they pulled it off even with TJ, Mullen and Cody still there

conor05

Half of their team missing and all brilliant hurlers.

Still another All Ireland or two in Ballyhale if they get all them lads back on the field at the same time next year

blackcard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121064603#Comment_121064603

Joey Holden is a huge loss and I don't think he will be back. The Shamrocks full back line looks vulnerable, the Bridge bypassed the Shamrocks half back line. Darren Mullen is continuously injured and I don't know what is happening with Colin Fennelly. You would never write off the Shamrocks but Dicksboro and OLG are favourites for me, they each have 6 scoring forwards and can put up big scores

AhBoyDelaney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121059485#Comment_121059485

It doesn’t take a lot to be nice and say Tks to all KK mgmt. Brian Cody always had KK interests first and foremost no matter what players were there.

Village87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121065763#Comment_121065763

Riche is well within his rights to put the 2 fingers up at Cody, Cody treated him like a dog for years. Cody was only great because he had great hurlers. Look at Kilkenny since 2015, one or 2 great hurlers is all we have now and no return with All Irelands, Cody was not so great when he did not have the ammunition

conor05

Bennettsbridge must surely be in with a shout to win the SHC also?

They played a nice brand of hurling yesterday albeit against a weakened Shamrocks side.

blackcard

Maybe someone can clarify for me? The Shamrocks goalkeeper, Dean Mason, was getting ready to puck out the ball when the referee saw one of the Bridge defenders dragging a Ballyhale forward and awarded a free at the spot. I thought that the ball had to be in play before a free could be awarded? He seemed to give a soft free to the Bridge later to balance things up.

Nedflanders02

The Kilkenny hurling podcast team of the week for last weekend:

Paddy Hogan - Danesfort

Tommy Dunne - Tullaroan

Enda Morrissey - Bennettsbridge

Tom Dunphy - GBC

Des Dunne - Danesfort

Niall Brassil - Village

Timmy Clifford - Boro

Jamie Ryan - OLG

Kevin Blanchfield - Bennettsbridge

Luke Scanlon - Village

TJ Reid - Shamrocks

Tommy Ronan - GBC

John Walsh - Mullinavat

Mossy Keoghan - Tullaroan

Sean Morrissey - Bennettsbridge

Just looking back at the last few teams of the week and Timmy Clifford, Kevin Blanchfield and Luke Scanlon seem to be included nearly every week. Looking at Clifford is his best position wing back? What would a half back line of Carey-D Blanchfiled-Clifford look like next year? On the converse side it would be another option gone from our forwards when realistically it's forwards that we are crying out for. Kevin Blanchfield has always looked like a good hurler to me and was always surprised not to see him in with the seniors, apparently he's heading to Australia shortly so doubt we'll see in a kk jersey anytime soon unfortunately! Is Scanlon finally beginning to deliver on his undoubted talent? Would he be worth a look back on the county panel? Good to see a few new names on the team this week also, didn't get to any of the games this weekend but was talking to fella from OLG who said that Owen Wall was excellent again for them, any forwards impressing during the first 4 round of games?

blackcard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066665#Comment_121066665

You can get Bennettsbridge at 14/1, sixth favourites. Ballyhale are 11/10 favourites, not good value for me with the missing personel. Dicksboro at 11/2 look a decent bet, OLG are 9/2

blackcard

Some of the permutations for the final round of the Senior Club Championshiip

Group A. Comer are gong to be in the Regulation Playoffs. They can tie with Ballyhale if Comer against GB win and Ballyhale lose against JS. BH would then be in the Regulation Playoffs. As Comer's head to head match with BH was a draw, it comes down to points difference. Currently BH are -3, Comer are -22 so it would take an overall swing of 19 points for Comer to overtake BH and come fifth

• If Ballyhale draw with JS and GB lose to Comer, both would be on 4 points. As BH beat GB in their head to head, BH would go into the first round of the championship in fourth place, GB would go into the Regulation Playoff/First Round of the Championship as the fifth place team

*. If Ballyhale win against James Stephens, BB lose against Glenmore and GB draw against Comer, then BB, BH, GB and JS would all be on 5 points. In that case it comes down to points difference. Currently BB are +13, JS are +9, BH are -3 and GB are - 5. Glenmore would be in the League Final, the team with the best points difference amongst those on 5 points after the final round goes into the Shield Final, the next two go into the first round of the Championship and the team with the worst points difference goes into the Relegation Playoff/First round of the Championship as the fifth place team.

• If GB lose to Comer and BH beat JS, GB go into the Regulation Playoff as the fifth place team. BH and JS would be tied on five points. If also BB win or draw their last match against Glenmore, that would mean that BH would come third, JS would come fourth, BB would be in the league final or Shield Final depending on whether they draw their last match
• You can also have a scenario where BB, BH and JS all end up on five points. BH would have to beat JS by more than six points to jump above them.. BB would have to lose their last match by 4 more points than JS lose their last match to drop below JS. BH would have to win their last match and BB lose their last match by a combination of 16 points for BH to overtake BB
• if GB draw their last match and JS lose to BH, JS would have to lose by 14 points or more for GB to overtake them
• If BB and JS win their last matches, they will both be on 7 points. As the head to head was a draw, it would come down to points difference. JS would have to win with a 5 point greater winning margin than BB.

***** This is subject to the new rule brought in by Congress last year. The new rule states that if three or more teams are level on points, the points difference is only to include those matches involving the teams on level points. Previously, all matched played counted in determining points difference. Counties don't have to apply the new rule if they have the old rules in their bye-laws or regulations. I have looked at The Kilkenny Bye-laws and don't see anything so I presume that the new rule applies. In that case for example if BH, BB and JS all end up on 5 points, the points difference is calculated on the head to head games between these three teams. JS drew with BB, BB beat BH by 7 so the points difference before the last match between is BB +7, JS 0, BH -7 so BH would have to beat JS by 15 or more points to overtake BB. if they beat JS by 14, it would come down to the most points scored in head to head matches involving the three teams

hogans heroes

The bridge havent full filled their potential

JJs Left Hand

Where can you see the KK bye laws?

JJs Left Hand

Edit: double post

blackcard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121073360#Comment_121073360

2023-Kilkenny-Bye-Laws-Dec-2022-approved.pdf

See attached. The Bye-laws make no reference to rules regarding competition so it is my understanding then that the new rule brought in by Congress last year and included in Part 1 of the GAA Official Guide, Page 96, came into effect as of March this year

2023-Official-Guide-Part-1.pdf

blackcard

Actually, reading the official rules, I think I have got it wrong. In the case of BB, BH and JS all ending on 5 points, the first determining point is the number of League points obtained in the head to head matches so that would be 3 league points to BB, 2 to BH and 1 to JS. Apologies for confusion

Village87

Do Kilkenny use the old or new format regarding 3 team’s finishing on the same points ?

dzer2

Unless it was motioned and voted in the new one won't be used

Neewollah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121074942#Comment_121074942

The new one apparently as of last week. Think they forgot about the change from congress. I wouldn't be in favour of the change as I believe results against other teams in the group should be considered also.

blackcard

The new rule applies unless a county has it in their bye-laws to use the old system. As per the Kilkenny People today also, the new rule is in place