Kilkenny GAA Thread

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051428#Comment_118051428

There's plenty of young players in those intermediate clubs that are unbelievably talented and never get a look in for u16 or minor, never mind senior. If you can choose to ignore a couple of hundred kids every year then happy days. We sure can't.

kilkennyboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051637#Comment_118051637

Doing something right minor dominance with 4 years

Mad about baa baas

I can't see a downside to this.. henry is getting experience at this level..he said in the past DJ should get kilkenny job before him.. cody may just leave next year now to make sure someone else other than Henry follows him..

I heard last week henry expressed interest in u19 s and wasn't considered.. no point him waiting for cody to go.

As otherposters said most recent successful managers had no previous experience at that level

amber_black

The way I see it if Henry didn't show up for the remainder of the intermediate championship Thomastown would still win it. Their supposed toughest assignment is next. Glenmore are average at best with a few talented hurlers.

Good luck to him in Galway he will certainly gain huge experience taking this job. Whether or not they will close the gap to Limerick in the next year remains to be seeing but I've no doubt he will leave them in a better place and are one of the possibilities to close the gap. Our loss Galway's gain. He will also have plenty of hurlers with potential and experience to pick from......

Grats

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051168#Comment_118051168

Well, we better start saving as Henry won't come cheap!

Must love hardship

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051901#Comment_118051901

There is no u19 team

Mad about baa baas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118052608#Comment_118052608

Apologies pedantic pat😘 meant meant u20 ..he also expressed interest in u17/minor..

tbiggertycome

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051222#Comment_118051222

Scenario 1, So you think Henry wouldn't be welcomed as Kilkenny manager because he beat a Kilkenny team under a now unwanted Cody. You definitely don't move in the same hurling circles I do. If there is no vacancy in Kilkenny after his 3 years and he's been a success there why wouldn't he stay on? If there is a vacancy in Kilkenny do you not think cutting out 12 hours of driving a week at a minimum would be just one incentive besides the obvious of managing his own county. I think there is little doubt the Henry would like to manage Kilkenny and would happily leave Galway for Kilkenny and to be honest I think your in a very small minority who wouldn't welcome him back. Will I be happy when his Galway side likely tear us asunder in Pearse Stadium in the Leinster round robin next year no I won't. However I think many counties are likely to beat us next year and I won't be blaming Henry for that, I feel no matter who was over Galway for the next few years their in a much stronger position than we are under Cody.

Scenario 2, He might fail to win the All Ireland this would definitely in his own eyes be viewed as a failure and likely by Galway people too. However you have to be a bit more nuanced about this and he is likely to have an element of rebuilding (not to the extent of other teams) to do in Galway but if there is clear progress and improvements every year then it might not be viewed in general as a failure. Games can just get away from a team on a day or you just come up against a better team. Henry would view that as failure I'm sure and failure to be ready for the other team or scenario. I think Richie O'Neill being with him will lead to a very nice brand of hurling and I think he will be successful.

I completely agree with your last paragraph, I think Kilkenny hurling is in for a rough few weeks and that will lead to a very rough few years at intercounty level. I think we both agree that the rot won't stop until Cody and many in the County Board make way or are forced out.

JJs Left Hand

I'd be very surprised if Henry went looking for the U17 or U20 gig and was turned down. I think his profile is too big for those jobs really but maybe I'm wrong

greenspurs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118053331#Comment_118053331

His profile is ?

But is/was his experience ?

This could work out ok for Kilkenny. Sheff is there for 2/3 years, gains the Senior intercounty team experience, and then goes to Kilkenny. having gained the experience.

But then, will we be 'stuck' with Cody, and all that entails (players disgruntled, lack of current tactics , Mossy coming on/off in games :P )

And then will we have fallen so far 'behind' that Sheff wouldnt fancy taking over?

Cody should have been gone/resigned this year - Get DJ in, give him his chance (if he was willing to try it)

sportsmaddad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118052574#Comment_118052574

Galway have committed to €750K on County hurlers next year, provided they reach the final. I presume that's completely off the scale compared to Kilkenny budget?

therealdonster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118053073#Comment_118053073

Well I'm not for turning!! I still can't believe he has done it and I am someone that knows him - or knew him anyway. His own nephew(s) are involved with Kilkenmy too as well to make it worse.

Maybe the jersey doesn't mean as much to him as much as it does to true supporters. No one can or will dispute his contribution- he has had the greatest GAA let alone hurling career ever. But to go somewhere like that with our recent history with them - I'm just flabbergasted. The job here would have been his one day and he has expressed sentiment that the time wasnt right now as well.

Whether he likes it or not this decision has massively negative connotations for us next year and beyond. And I for one don't want to see him managing us now at any point.

greenspurs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118053504#Comment_118053504

If you know him, will you let him know!!

Would you feel the same way about Brennan? Fennelly? Herity ? managing other counties tho ?

tbiggertycome

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118053504#Comment_118053504

Thats fair enough and your entitled to your opinion and I respect it, although I don't agree with it. If Henry had been passed over by another candidate (other than Cody) and then threw his toys out of the pram and decided to go I'd probably feel a bit like you do but given the current situation in Kilkenny I don't blame him in anyway. In fact I think Cody's inability to recognise his time is up has forced the hand of many Kilkenny men hoping to manage the senior team to go elsewhere. I know/knew Henry too and I totally respect this move and from what I know of him this doesn't surprise me as he's a driven man.

therealdonster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118053677#Comment_118053677

Of course - if and when that happens.

There is no comparison with managing Kildare, Loais & Offaly V's Galway. They are not really rivals - although at our current rate of decline under the current setup that might not be too far away in some of those cases.

Kilkenny first and foremost and always.

Must love hardship

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118053504#Comment_118053504

What a sh1tty insular attitude to have.

kilkennyboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118053807#Comment_118053807

Going for 3 in a row in leinster next year .Don't think Kilkenny fear Galway and would fancy us against them anyday.

Marrooned

It’s not Henry’s fault that he took the Galway job because there wasn’t anything else open to him unless it is true that he was offered the minor or the u20 job which I doubt because those clowns in the county board wouldn’t have the foresight.

It is very disappointing that he has gone ,but as a few posters have said this could be an advantage for the future. Anyway we will have to get our house in order as soon as possible. There is a few issues I would like to raise and get people’s opinions on.

1/ all club reps. Should know what’s going on in the county board as regards managerial appointments.these managers are being ratified year on year and nothing is being said ,if county board members are not happy with this system then they should call an extraordinary general meeting to express their concerns.

2/ The appointment of the same u20 set up is laughable. In the previous two years they have failed miserably how many chances do you get.

3/the minor manager was appointed based on what criteria ( that he is a teacher).

4/This includes all the above points isn’t there supposed to be a sub committee in the county board to pick the managers of these inter county teams ,it seems to me that they are not doing there job if they are not seeking other candidates to form a competition for these jobs ,then hold interviews and pick what is deemed to be the best.

kilkennyboy

Late late show could be interesting tomorrow night. Apparently davy had a verbal agreement with Galway .That broke in the media before ratification and clubs were not happy. He contacted wexford outgoing management during the week to let them no he would be taking the position. Can't be happy 😭😭

Tellyium

Galway perspective here so be gentle!

I can only see this being win-win for both counties. The one key ingredient for success for us is respect, and the reaction to the announcement here has really shown the esteem in which Henry is held here.

If not an all Ireland, I’ve no doubt he will leave things in a better place than before. But it won’t be Henry’s fault if we don’t win one because sometimes luck/injuries/referees play a part too.

i have no doubt he will go back to Kilkenny at some stage and will win more with ye than he did with us. He will have learned from his time with us to Kilkenny’s ultimate benefit but he’s a Kilkenny man first and foremost and that’s only right.

put it like this, if he wins one for us and 3(+) for ye, we won’t complain 😀

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118054999#Comment_118054999

Plus 1

Butterbeans

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118053504#Comment_118053504

You're reacting as if the Kilkenny job was somehow Henry's to turn down, or a job that will be become available in the next few years. There's just no evidence that the job will be up for grabs in the next 2, 3 ,4, 5 years.

Whether you want to turn or not, you have to accept the fact that there are plenty of Kilkenny lads that want to manage inter-county, and no doubt Kilkenny Inter-county management is in Henry's sights. But you can't expect lads to just wait around indefinitely.

And your comment on the jersey not meaning as much to Henry as true supporters....you're talking nonsense here, let's call a spade a spade. He wouldn't have 10 all-ireland medals if that was the case, hell, he wouldn't have 10 if hadn't dragged Kilkenny back to a replay against Galway in the 1st AIF 2012

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118055144#Comment_118055144

Do people still watch that programme.

therealdonster

In the world of GAA very few if any managers succeed in a number of counties. And by succeed I mean win an All Ireland, not a meaningless provincial title.

After 3 years with Galway a lot of water will have passed under the bridge and there may even be bad blood. So he is unlikely to be a realistic option at that stage.

Teams will also have figured him out and know what to expect from his teams so a certain amount of staleness will also be there. A bit of the Mourinho syndrome (albeit completely different styles/personalities). I would prefer we move on at that point and go for someone else.

It's over with Henry, and it he was doing regardless of the selfishness of Cody and the shocking incompetence of the county board. Let's see where everyone is after all of the upcoming retirements and catastrophe that is going to be 2022.

tbiggertycome

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118056296#Comment_118056296

I still won't be blaming Henry for any of the s*** show to come

greenspurs

I love the irony .....

therealdonster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118057070#Comment_118057070

I don't blame him for the county board **** show or Cody refusing to see the light - but he has done his bit towards ensuring our next few years or who knows how long are not going to be a pretty sight.

dzer2

Jesus lads

Wish the man well and when we meet them enjoy the game hopefully we are to good for them.

Mad about baa baas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118056296#Comment_118056296

Any chance of the lotto numbers for tomorrow night? You seem to be able to see the future

Who knows what will happen..all I know is Henry did more for his county and the sport in general than most..its a great coup for galway and an opportunity for him to gain experience..best of luck to him..

A week ago we all thought limerick were the only show in town..now we have cody/ sheflin Fennelly/ shefflin to look forward to..

ttowncat

What would people have made of it had he taken the Tipp job? Hypothetically.

conor05

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059717#Comment_118059717

He would sentenced to 40 lashings after mass in Ballyhale in front of the whole county!

tbiggertycome

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118061216#Comment_118061216

Everyday

Mad about baa baas

Anyone at the semis today.? .heard some on the radio..shamrocks seemed to be slow to get going..then again a lot gets lost in translation on kclr .. Brazzill worth another chance on county panel I'd say pity tullaroan got bet it would have been nice to see Tommy get to a final

kilkennyboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118067212#Comment_118067212

Yes village keeper made a handling mistake and gifted shamrocks a goal.when they were 4 up .shamrocks were workmanlike without catching fire .but just are to good all over the field. Will win it out.tullaroan had chances but o loughlins just a bit more clinical.

blackcard

I thought Colin Fennelly and the 2 Mullens were well off the pace today, Joey Cuddihy also quite after playing well the last 2 days. Problem for everyone else is that the Shamrocks have so many good players. Niall Brassil did well at centre back for the Village who put up a decent effort but the soft goal in the first half hurt them. Thought TJ's penalty was struck inside the 20 meter line?

Tullaroan hit some poor wides but OLG probably deserved to win. Needed a bigger performance from Mossy Keoghan, Padraig Walsh not as dominant as the last day, Paddy Deegan either. Huw Lawlor very effective at centre back, may be his best position

Did Qullty feel the game was about him he was shocking for both teams.

Can the intermediate the senior be on the one day or is that allowed this year.

Nedflanders02

Tullaroan will be disappointed, had a great chance of winning today but some poor shooting let them down. Robbie Buckley did well for them after coming on and Huw Lawlor was good throughout, Eoin O’Shea seems to have gone off the boil this year after a good year last year.

The Shamrocks looked in trouble early on against the Village but the soft goal got Shamrocks back in the game. Brassill was very good for the Village, hopefully he’ll get lots of game time with Kilkenny next year!

With the club scene nearly over have many lads out there hand up for being brought into the Kilkenny panel next year? Brassill aside I don’t think there’s many who look like they’ll improve the team.

chg1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118067983#Comment_118067983

Shocking again Hughes no better in the first game..

brookville

Tullaron definitely should of had a free in near the end it was a shoulder into the chest.They definitely had chances and will be dissapointed with a few wides.Shane Walsh has being very lively and definitely deserves a proper run with the county.Tomas dunne has also being very good think he was last year minor.

I couldn't believe paddy deegan taking the penalty I doubt he will take one again.Owen wall has had a good season after concentrating on the hurling.He has great pace.Huw was very solid at 6 and alot of people think its his best position.

The village will also be dissapointed.For all the good things they done it wasn't reflected on the score board.Brassil was very good at 6 hopefully he will get a good run next year.Shamrocks just got the job done without being at their best.Colin spent most of the game out around midfield.

Marrooned

I heard the other day that the clubs were asked to send in their best players to the various development squads. Surely the management teams should be out scouting and deciding who should be brought into the squads, wouldn’t this avoid all the favourtism that has ruined the whole concept of the squads . Firstly this would take away the awkwardness of the local because some would be under pressure to send in both friends and relations and secondly these up and coming management teams should be at as many matches as possible like what was done years ago. They are taking the lazy way out . On a different topic the refereeing at the weekend matches was atrocious ,all they are doing is counting steps and other minor demeanors instead of letting the game flow . There is really very little dirty play in Kilkenny.

dzer2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118071858#Comment_118071858

Our club sent in 4 players, all sent home only one. The 2 most obvious ones omitted by the club mentors.

kilkennyboy

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40729434.html

success for Henry in Galway will be 2 leinsters in 3 years.🤔

But to us it's a meaningless competition 🤯

JJs Left Hand

Not sure what point you're trying to make but at this point in time, yea, Leinster is pretty much irrelevant. Plus let's be honest we robbed Galway in 2020 and were shockingly poor in this years final against a Covid riddled Dublin side

mooz

Who was the best player on view Sunday who left the county panel because of the atmosphere??

kilkennyboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118072302#Comment_118072302

If Kilkenny won the next 3 leinster titles it doesn't really mater as we are a farce and its leinster.As you have pretty much drawn a line though the last 2.

Davy fitz one won one in five years and the wexford term was seen as successful enough. Even if he had a group who won 3 leinster u21 in a row.

I'm not for a minute saying everything is rosey but I don't think we are measuring ourselves fairly.

Must love hardship

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118072386#Comment_118072386

Was it the village centre back?

JJs Left Hand

Brassil is the one referenced in the article

JJs Left Hand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118072454#Comment_118072454

When we don't win the All Ireland we should be judged on the level of our performances not on league or Leinster titles and our performances have been shite for 5 years with the exception of an occasional bolter like Limerick in 2019. 2020 and 2021 has been consistently poor regardless of the Leinster titles won.

You talk about us not judging ourselves fairly. Personally, I don't think we have the talent to win the All Ireland so I don't judge on that. I want to see progression and we haven't seen anything approaching that now in 5 years. The same errors being repeated in the same situations over and over.

Grats

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118072670#Comment_118072670

And the solution?