Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Gant21

A booster once a year isn’t asking much. For everyone.

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119414382#Comment_119414382

In your opinion.

Feel free to take one every year for the rest of your life.

I won't be.

Gant21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119414386#Comment_119414386

That’s ok thanks for letting me know

growleaves

@Goldengirl "Back in the olden days/ Golden Age of Science (indeed !) , pioneer scientists were paid a commission to come to a certain conclusion to suit their patrons and only the very lucky few had patrons with a real altruistic interest . This is why academics set up their own reviews through the various scientific societies, but still commerce had more than its share of influence .

Those same conflict of interests exist today . Hence why peer reviewed articles, while not fool proof are considered as more reliable having been vetted for any abuses or mistakes .

It's called progress, growleaves.

And I think you know all of the above so I question your reason for posting such bs in the first place ."

Most of the scientific discoveries of the 20th century were the culmination of centuries of progress.

No one disputes that were many great scientists of the past and centuries-worth of progress. My point is a bureaucratic mechanism for trying to limit corruption can't be definitive.

If anything today's milieu is far more corrupt. Read David Healy's Let Them East Prozac for an insider-whistleblower expose of the pharma industry's corruption. Peer review cannot guarantee integrity.

"Are posters who disagree with the general narrative not allowed to post in this thread, no matter if they are making a sensible argument , without their honesty being impugned ?"

I didn't say you were dishonest, I just think you may have strong biases and now you've reversed this same "accusation" back onto me and I'm not taking offence.

growleaves

Btw I don't think there is any pile-on in this thread against minority-viewpoint (pro-restrictions) posters. There have been at times but Beasty always stepped in and warned or banned people.

FlubberJones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119414382#Comment_119414382

I'm happy to do this, I was doing it with the fly jab and would be happy to relate the two and get both... Having recently had COVID I'd 100% be up for something that would reduce the impact... it was a pisser!!

Gant21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119414438#Comment_119414438

Wow getting banned for being pro restrictions?

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119414458#Comment_119414458

No I mean posters who were very abusive against pro-restrictions posters got banned. Look at the 'banned' list on the first page.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119414382#Comment_119414382

Yes, it is.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119414432#Comment_119414432

Glad to hear it 😁

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119414345#Comment_119414345

In fairness I replied to you politely but I can quote many posts where you got personal and labelled me and others unjustly .

Believe it or not I don't disagree with some of things you say but it is the way you selectively cherry pick research or studies and misrepresent what is contained within them . If you choose to do this be prepared to be called out on that misreprentation and misquoting , and yes , doing that repeatedly is trolling , so I stand by all I have said about your posts. These are not insults, by the way , they are fair comment ,. But as your RTE one to me , was patently not true or fair comment , just a nasty jibe.

And you don't get to say you are " sceptical " as if anybody on the other side of the argument is not !

There are many people here on all sides of the argument who can read a research paper, analyse it and critique it , without changing the end result or findings to suit their narrative , and would be just as capable of being critical without claiming that theirs is the only correct opinion.

I know mine is not the only opinion but I take care when backing mine up that I don't misquote or take anything out of context . Disappointing that you feel the need to do that .

I don't really think its worth the grief getting into it further here with you at this stage so I will let you off with whatever you want to say and let others judge for themselves .

Best of luck to you .

walus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119415448#Comment_119415448

The point I was making in my post #33482 was that there is no evidence that vaccination protects children against getting very sick and requiring oxygen and ICU treatment, and that that risk vs benefit for this cohort was stacked against the vaccines. I was not making a review of the paper as such, rather quoting lines of the paper that supported that statement. The link to the paper was provided for everybody to read and make what they want from it in a hope that it would spur an interesting discussion. Yet you labeled it misquoting (?) and pulled out lines from the paper about the effects on hospitalisation numbers that were absolutely irrelevant to the statement I was making. I also provided you with the reason why that was the case.

You went on a rant, threw a few more labels and attempted to discredit the quoted papers. You even took a dig at the current state of the Qatari healthcare system. Well done.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119382210#Comment_119382210

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119415896#Comment_119415896

Am glad you're FINALLY ( after 2 weeks !) admitting that you only quoted individual statements to back up your own opinion. Because that is what it is . The study that you quoted says the opposite of what you were stating and you of course made no distinction between your misguided opinion and what was in fact written in that study .

I pointed out , as my above quoted post , that this was misinformation or maybe you didn't understand the research you were quoting .

I am now certain that it is the former after all your posts digging down on that opinion .

In your reply to my post you were inflammatory from the start , so it is laughable that you accuse me of labelling and ranting, when you were doing just that !

I did not "attempt to discredit" the other 2 papers . On the contrary I pointed out that they are not peer reviewed and that there are some problems with them as regards how they translate to other more open cultures and economies .

I am sure the Qatari health service is excellent ..they have loads of money pumped into it and some excellent doctors privately trained in the best hospitals all over the world , good for them.

If you weren't so invested in whatever message you are seeking to drive home here you would know that all research is critiqued like this, on other threads anyway , and most can accept some criticism and prove their point.

You however , cannot , because it is just your " opinion " , which you are entitled to , but noone has to take it as gospel when you can't back it up .

I can produce about 40 other pieces of research from elsewhere that have been accredited and peer reviewed and directly opposes your POV.

But as I said before I am tired of your posts and replying to misinformation ..and a poster disingenuously quoting lines from research studies out of context to support whatever agenda he wants to promote .

If this audience wants to read that type of BS well let them have it .

Me , I have no interest in replying anymore after 2 pages / two weeks , it is neither enjoyable nor edifying , just annoying garbage .

Finally , ignore .

walus

In February I said that the coercive measures and restrictions that were introduced to deal with the pandemic were unjust, unethical and unscientific. I also said that whoever recommended vaccinating kids and young people 'just in case' was a charlatan. I got a lot of stick from the usual crusaders for that.

There is more information that slowly comes to light. Top officials of CDC, FDA and NIH started leaving those agencies and speak up more openly on how flawed or weak data is used to make critical public health decisions, and on those agencies' myopic focus on covid instead of overall health.

Decisions on using masks at school and school closures, and mandating vaccines and boosters for young healthy people without supporting data while ignoring completely the natural immunity - all were politically influenced, wrong and against the science.

Most recently on a decision that the vaccines should be given to kids aged 6 months to 5 years of age, was on a basis of extremely weak and inconclusive data provided by Pfizer and Moderna. The data was so weak that no reputable medical journal would accept such as sloppy work on a such a small sample size (992). One CDC official commented: "You can inject them with it or squirt it in their face, and you will get the same benefit". Similar story goes with booster recommendations while the data showed no clear benefit against severe decease for people under 40.

Denmark announced that their decision to recommend vaccines to any children under 16 was a mistake.

All in here: https://www.commonsense.news/p/us-public-health-agencies-arent-following?triedSigningIn=true

Political pressure and shady ethics, not science. What a man will do in a pursuit of profits...

thinkabouit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119395728#Comment_119395728

My god! Didn't no they were still testing.

imagine if that money was spent on stuff we needed, like houses or energy

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119439751#Comment_119439751

Since February-ish you can only get a PCR test if you're vulnerable, over 70 or in hospital but realistically they were only PCR testing on admission to hospitals... I think most or all of the testing centers are now closed

Open to correction, but I think these cohorts will no longer be tested when this change happens

darconio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119481611#Comment_119481611

You can still easily book a PCR test, nobody will question you at the door: Covid-19 Services (healthservice.ie)

Too much interest in keeping the covid propaganda going and these center still open; soon (if not already) thousands shots will go out of date : conveniently they'll prolong their shelf life or change the label claiming that this round will be the right one

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119482272#Comment_119482272

You can but why would you want to? Antigens do the job better than PCRs ever could, getting tested now to find you caught it last month is a bit pointless. There's surely some other country that needs the vaccines more than we do here in Ireland. They'll get used don't you worry

live4tkd

Article link https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-deaths-pneumonia-conditions-5841803-Aug2022/

"DATA RELEASED BY the Central Statistics Office (CSO) shows that from the beginning of the pandemic until February 2022, Covid-19 was identified as the Underlying Cause of Death (UCOD) in 5,384 cases.

Four in five deaths from Covid-19 had at least three medical conditions mentioned on the death record with 4.2 conditions being the average per person according to data released today.

The largest number of accompanying conditions of Covid-19 deaths were diseases of the respiratory system, which were reported in 5,279 (or 98%) of Covid-19 deaths.

Pneumonia was certified as a condition in 3,023 (or 56%) of Covid-19 deaths.

Dementia was reported on the death certificate of 1,041 people who died of Covid-19 (or 19%)

Chronic lower respiratory diseases were stated on 948 (or 18%) death certificates, of which 714 (or 13%) had chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

From February until Wednesday 10 August there have been another 2,359 deaths from Covid-19 according to the Government’s Covid-19 Data Hub, although this figure is provisional and includes probable deaths.

91% of Covid-19 deaths occurred in persons aged 65 and over; 75% in persons aged 75 and over; and 42% in persons aged 85 and over.

Commenting on the release, Gerard Doolan, statistician in the CSO’s vital statistics division, said:

“The figures of deaths by condition do not represent the actual number of deaths from Covid-19.”

“Also, a death due to Covid-19 differs from a death with Covid-19, in that Covid-19 is identified as the main UCOD in those who died due to Covid-19, while it is one of a number of conditions listed in deaths certified as a death with Covid-19. The total number of Covid-19 deaths included in this analysis is 5,384 deaths.”

“Looking at the data, we can see that a total of 183 deaths (or 3.4%) reported Covid-19 as the single cause of death, whereas, 5,201 (or almost 97%) Covid-19 deaths were certified as having had Covid-19 and at least one other medical condition on the death certificate.”

In deaths between March 2020 and February 2022, Covid-19 was reported as a medical condition in 6,255 cases but identified as the UCOD in just 5,384 cases.

Hypertension, Chronic ischaemic heart disease, Malignant neoplasms, Diabetes mellitus, Atrial fibrillation and flutter and Heart failure were also common conditions suffered by people who died with Covid-19 as the UCOD."

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484540#Comment_119484540

So essentially, 183 people out of 5384 died because of Covid? The remainder had at least one other existing and serious underlying medical issue.

While genuinely sad, unfortunately some deaths were inevitable, but it puts into perspective how disproportionate our responses really were - especially when we started to get data on who was actually at real potential risk and who wasn't.

Penfailed

We've just been informed that our kids have to wear masks when they return to school. FFS!

...and I think I've got Covid for the second time. Feeling rough.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514642#Comment_119514642

Get well soon. Hopefully better by the weekend

On what basis have they mandated that? Weren't masks only ever really "advisory" in schools though? I'd be pushing back on it.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514830#Comment_119514830

I'd be pushing back too but the kids aren't rebels. If their mates are going to wear them, they will too.

dominatinMC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514642#Comment_119514642

What a fcuking joke. Let's hope this isn't the start of some schools going off on virtuous solo runs.

Micky 32

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515405#Comment_119515405

I’m guessing the principal is one of those hashtag CovidIsNotOver fanatics.

Spudman_20000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515855#Comment_119515855

Surely schools don't get to decide on interventions like this on their lonesome? Lunacy.

corcaigh07

If the HSE can go off and pretend masks are mandatory, maybe some schools will think they can do the same?

freshpopcorn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119516646#Comment_119516646

Personally I'd question is it done to keep one or two parents or staff members quiet. I wonder what type of enforcement they'd have for it.

hotmail.com

Also there's rogue principals. The principal of course will not be wearing a mask in their office.

foxsake

https://news.sky.com/story/sunak-claims-he-was-gagged-over-negative-effects-of-covid-lockdowns-and-scientists-had-too-much-influence-over-decision-making-12680842

In the article, Mr Sunak said: "We didn't talk at all about missed [doctor's] appointments, or the backlog building in the NHS in a massive way. That was never part of it.

"Whoever wrote the minutes for the SAGE meetings - condensing its discussions into guidance for government - would set the policy of the nation. No one, not even cabinet members, would know how these decisions were reached."

was it any different here?

cowards like Martin & Varadkar too willing to defer to single issue science opinion from professor types drunk on their own ego.

a load of b0llocks - wasted 2 years , wasted lives and opportunities.

*Edit

and Donnelly should be burnt at the pyre.