Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

is_that_so

b0nk1e wrote: »

If the HSE is unable to cope with forty Covid cases, 16 months after it demanded a two-week ban on businesses and socialising which is now in its second year, to flatten the curve and allow the HSE to increase capacity, then it is difficult to see how its Director General - who has been paid €560,137 of taxpayers' money since demanding the lockdown - should remain in place.

The HSE didn't threaten anything and he's just stating a fact about general operations. Before all of this started they had just started work on restructuring it.

brickster69

pc7 wrote: »

And when you think of all the money at hand the last year they did nothing to fix it, just plug holes in a sinking ship.

And if the projections for Delta wave are in any way near true, what the hell happens ? :eek:

It's plain as day that NPHET will recommend some form of lockdown to government in next 4 weeks. Case numbers are only going to go up which further justifies their rationale. Don't agree with NPHET on this as I think they are being too cautious.

Snooker Loopy

b0nk1e wrote: »

The people desperately trying to spin the UK as some sort of charnel house to prove Tony is right is really quite something.

The let it rip cult have always been the people with an obsession with Tony Holohan, an extremely unhealthy one at that.

Most normal people think he's just trying to do his best in difficult circumstances.

The let it rip cult treat him as a mortal enemy in the way Trump vilified Hillary Clinton, to be mercilessly scorned, mocked and threatened. It really is reminiscent of the very worst of imported far right American culture war insanity.

ACitizenErased

Deleted User wrote: »

It's plain as day that NPHET will recommend some form of lockdown to government in next 4 weeks. Case numbers are only going to go up which further justifies their rationale. Don't agree with NPHET on this as I think they are being too cautious.

Don't think it's plain as day at all. No increase in deaths or hospitalisations.

Deeper Blue

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Any update on all those reinfections in healthcare workers that you told us about last year?

One was reported on by the media in early June.

MOR316

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

The let it rip cult have always been the people with an obsession with Tony Holohan, an extremely unhealthy one at that.

I do love when people run out of arguments, they use the terms "cult" and "stans"

aziz

MOR316 wrote: »

I do love when people run out of arguments, they use the terms "cult" and "stans"

And use the “conspiracy theory forum that way” line

Just feck off

Graham

MOR316 wrote: »

I do love when people run out of arguments, they use the terms "cult" and "stans"

indeed

MOR316 wrote: »

The cult of Teflon Holohan will dismember you for this

normanoffside

bucketybuck wrote: »

Why didn't the headline say "False positive antigen test result at pilot festival"?

That question is not for you by the way, I already know you will be contrarian.

Must have out some tonic water on it. Should have used Butter instead.

DebDynamite

MOR316 wrote: »

I do love when people run out of arguments, they use the terms "cult" and "stans"

And try to politicise it by bringing Trump into the argument :rolleyes:

Snooker Loopy

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Don't think it's plain as day at all. No increase in deaths or hospitalisations.

Daily Covid hospitalisations in England have increased from 69 on May 29th to 331 on June 30th - and they will rise much higher than that.

If you want indoor pubs open in Ireland, at have the honesty to admit what it will result in - a fivefold and more increase in hospitalisations.

The people who push the let it rip narrative are also mainly the same people who have never given a toss about our health service.

ACitizenErased

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Daily Covid hospitalisations in England have increased from 69 on May 29th to 331 on June 30th - and they will rise much higher than that.

If you want indoor pubs open in Ireland, at have the honesty to admit what it will result in - a fivefold and more increase in hospitalisations.

The people who push the let it rip narrative are also mainly the same people who have never given a toss about our health service.

Advocating for re-opening =/= 'let it rip'. Quite ignorant to lump everyone into one group.

pc7

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Daily Covid hospitalisations in England have increased from 69 on May 29th to 331 on June 30th - and they will rise much higher than that.

If you want indoor pubs open in Ireland, at have the honesty to admit what it will result in - a fivefold and more increase in hospitalisations.

The people who push the let it rip narrative are also mainly the same people who have never given a toss about our health service.

But they will rise while all hospitality is open, they are doing well in euros so it’s party central. We still have lots of measures in place included restricting indoor dining and out schools are closed, there is less paths for it to spread in the same fashion.

Snooker Loopy

DebDynamite wrote: »

And try to politicise it by bringing Trump into the argument :rolleyes:

"Politicise it". What are you on about? The whole let it rip cult is deeply politically ideological. It idolises some of the worst people on earth - Trump, Orban, Bolsonaro, Putin, De Santis, Johnson.

All of whose media acolytes are "let it rip" devotees.

ACitizenErased

"let it rip cult" Christ.

Snooker Loopy

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Advocating for re-opening =/= 'let it rip'. Quite ignorant to lump everyone into one group.

That is exactly what it is.

ACitizenErased

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

That is exactly what it is.

No it isn't.

prunudo

Time to add to my ignore list.

MOR316

Graham wrote: »

indeed

That was a joke, pal It wasn't anything remotely like a serious post.

Jesus Christ, how long ago was that? You actually searched for that? Seriously?

EDIT: November 2020...Mate, if you want to try and embarrass me, there's plenty of recent posts you can use. Not one from last year, that was clearly a joke.

Graham

MOR316 wrote: »

That was a joke, pal It wasn't anything remotely like a serious post.

As was mine, it was just funnier

MOR316

Graham wrote: »

As was mine, it was just funnier

But, I never quoted you and wasn't referring to you

Graham

Graham wrote: »

As was mine, it was just funnier

No it wasn't

beaz2018

'most normal people realise Tony is doing his best'. Christ what a pathetic nation we really are.

Vicxas

beaz2018 wrote: »

'most normal people realise Tony is doing his best'. Christ what a pathetic nation we really are.

Is he bollox. He has an agenda and it's obvious as day he has a thing for drinking in Ireland.

lawred2

MrMusician18 wrote: »

If they didn't report it you'd say they were hiding the fact that there was just one positive test and a false one at that. They cannot win.

As long as they report the facts and just the facts - this report is quite literally as series of statements of fact, then no one has a legitimate complaint.

However if you are approaching the story where you believe that they are pushing a fear agenda, well then you will see it everywhere - even where it isn't present. Like in statements of fact

RTE cannot account for your own biases in your head. That's something you only you can deal with tbh.

Poster just said it should be a factoid in the body of the report. How would that constitute "not reporting it"!?

Snooker Loopy

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

The let it rip cult have always been the people with an obsession with Tony Holohan, an extremely unhealthy one at that.

Most normal people think he's just trying to do his best in difficult circumstances.

The let it rip cult treat him as a mortal enemy in the way Trump vilified Hillary Clinton, to be mercilessly scorned, mocked and threatened. It really is reminiscent of the very worst of imported far right American culture war insanity.

Sixteen months in and we've still people pushing the Saint Tony line, despite the mendacity, the scheming, and now his deliberate and malicious undermining of the vaccination programme itself as an excuse to hammer an industry he despises.

Many people of my generation grew up absolutely bewildered about how the Church managed to have such complete control of national life - and personal lives - for so long. After the last year we're not bewildered any more.

The helpless mewling of a large segment of the population desperate to live in the warm embrace of an authority figure had this country a social outlier in Europe until well into the 90s, and now they have us as an outlier in the world.

The only country in Europe where leaving the country is a criminal offence (it stopped being a criminal offence in East Germany thirty years ago). The only country in Europe where it is forbidden to eat a cheese sandwich in a cafe.

And all because of the ego of one deeply flawed individual who nevertheless has managed to whip himself up a group of disciples who hang on his every word.

Astonishing.

16 months in and Holohan still has NPHET meeting in secret with only edited minutes being made available to the public, yet these meetings are delivering significant economic and social restrictions on the lives of a people who are almost all vaccinated. Why aren't these meetings broadcast? What have they to hide? Are we going to have to wait ten years - again - for the truth to filter out about what this guy has decided the public should know?

votecounts

Just looking at the case numbers reminds of the Social Democrats insistence that there should be MHQ from all countries and restrictions until we had under 10 cases a day, we'd be there until 2030:)

votecounts

b0nk1e wrote: »

Sixteen months in and we've still people pushing the Saint Tony line, despite the mendacity, the scheming, and now his deliberate and malicious undermining of the vaccination programme itself as an excuse to hammer an industry he despises.

Many people of my generation grew up absolutely bewildered about how the Church managed to have such complete control of national life - and personal lives - for so long. After the last year we're not bewildered any more.

The helpless mewling of a large segment of the population desperate to live in the warm embrace of an authority figure had this country a social outlier in Europe until well into the 90s, and now they have us as an outlier in the world.

The only country in Europe where leaving the country is a criminal offence (it stopped being a criminal offence in East Germany thirty years ago). The only country in Europe where it is forbidden to eat a cheese sandwich in a cafe.

And all because of the ego of one deeply flawed individual who nevertheless has managed to whip himself up a group of disciples who hang on his every word.

Astonishing.

16 months in and Holohan still has NPHET meeting in secret with only edited minutes being made available to the public, yet these meetings are delivering significant economic and social restrictions on the lives of a people who are almost all vaccinated. Why aren't these meetings broadcast? What have they to hide? Are we going to have to wait ten years - again - for the truth to filter out about what this guy has decided the public should know?

Not defending TH but it his job to give public health advice. If the politicians such as MM and Leo want to go against NPHET, they can. If you see Ireland as backward, blame them. They were elected to act in the interests of the people

sp00k

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2021/0703/1232904-in-pictures-festival-fun-for-fans-at-imma/

I wonder what sort of prices were paid for the stock at this mart.