Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

martingriff

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Hoolahan can't seem to let the power go.

Did he return to his position too soon?

Here is me thinking it was the government who made the rules and up to now NO party has gone against the government except the one time they went against Nepht

namloc1980

Feria40 wrote: »

A definite date for reopening.. for the fully vacinated.

Not good enough.

Given social distancing rules, the fully vacinated will be sufficient footfall for restaurants. They are reasonably happy with this turn of events (all things considered) once they can open on the 19th.

Everyone else still gets screwed.

You reckon there'll be a system in place that means only fully vaxxed get access in just 2 weeks? Even the government have only committed to having a plan by the 19th.

greensausage

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've never attended a protest in my life.

If this comes to fruition, I'll definitely be joining them.

There are some things worth fighting for, and this is one of them.

I was saying the exact same thing to someonw earlier, obviously don't want to get lumped in with the usual right wing nutcases but what's going on is a disgrace, a bunch of unelected headcases telling the weakest leader this state has ever seen how to run the country,it would drive anyone out in protest.

shockframe

A crowd meeting up in Plymouth Argyle meeting for the game today.

Ah lads. Where do you start with NPHET?

Bsharp

eskimohunt wrote: »

I've never attended a protest in my life.

If this comes to fruition, I'll definitely be joining them.

There are some things worth fighting for, and this is one of them.[/QUOTE

I'm the same. We're on a diverging path from comparable countries without any interrogation or meaningful discussion as to why. That's not a good path to be going down.

MOR316

Can't get my head around the discrimination at play here...I've thought it and I said it once or twice on here last summer when the vaccines were muted but, I never thought it would happen.

So if someone between the ages of say 18 and 34, is uncomfortable taking the AZ or J&J vaccines and want to wait for Pfizer or Moderna instead, we're basically excluding them from society? All because The Government are afraid of Tony Holohan and his power trip?

That is insane!!...No other country in the western world would allow a failed medical professional live press conferences, chat show appearances and other privileges, never mind power to run a country and to ruin people's lives!!

It's utter madness!!

martingriff

Vicxas wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/nphet-government-micheal-martin-5480689-Jun2021/

Delighted people are angry

New here

1992ChainGang

1992ChainGang wrote: »

She spoke really well, just because she said she wants an independent review of NPHETS modelling she was called a conspiracy theorist.

Bananas

Both things can be right, her being a conspiracy theorist and a review being required.

The modelling is seriously dubious and looks to be based on outdated assumptions or a basic error that doesn’t take into account the impact of vaccination. I am convinced looking at the data from NPHET, that the model on hospitalisation assumes that the first vaccines won’t impact rates at all, or new vaccination won’t happen. Something is definitely off anyway. Uk currently have 7 day average 16k cases per day and 1500 in hospital. The middle case from model has 7000 cases per day and about 1250 in hospital by early October. By that stage we will be well ahead of where the uk is at this moment in vaccinations but somehow be at double the hospital rates? It doesn’t add up.

Bsharp

namloc1980 wrote: »

You reckon there'll be a system in place that means only fully vaxxed get access in just 2 weeks? Even the government have only committed to having a plan by the 19th.

Yep, they've committed to developing a plan that will set how they implement the plan. That's not anytime soon.

MOR316

namloc1980 wrote: »

You reckon there'll be a system in place that means only fully vaxxed get access in just 2 weeks? Even the government have only committed to having a plan by the 19th.

If that happens, there'll be violent scenes.

Talk of a United Ireland and here's Tony and his bitches in Government essentially splitting a Republic in two...

Richard Hillman

Go to twitter. Search for #DisbandNphet , go to latest tweets and you'll see multiple tweets per minute. Then look at the top 30 trending in Ireland and its nowhere to be seen. It was trending earlier and now it's disappeared.

They are all in on it. Remember Varadkar said he had contacted social media to see what they can do about organising protests
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/varadkar-to-contact-digital-giants-over-events-breaching-lockdown-laws-1.4497549%3fmode=amp

Feria40

namloc1980 wrote: »

You reckon there'll be a system in place that means only fully vaxxed get access in just 2 weeks? Even the government have only committed to having a plan by the 19th.

No idea but probably not. Not a system that doesn't rely significantly on "public goodwill" anyway.

My point was more so that restaurants are probably much more concerned about reopening rather than the vacinated versus unvaccinated argument.

I would rather join a protest with regard to this personally

I have no time for the Vintners or landlords (don't drink at all) but themselves and the restaurant crowd should be putting out a joint statement that they'll be opening as planned. Bingo halls, cafes, everyone open as planned and see what happens. It's the only thing that'll make a difference.

martingriff

MOR316 wrote: »

Can't get my head around the discrimination at play here...I've thought it and I said it once or twice on here last summer when the vaccines were muted but, I never thought it would happen.

So if someone between the ages of say 18 and 34, is uncomfortable taking the AZ or J&J vaccines and want to wait for Pfizer or Moderna instead, we're basically excluding them from society? All because The Government are afraid of Tony Holohan and his power trip?

That is insane!!...No other country in the western world would allow a failed medical professional live press conferences, chat show appearances and other privileges, never mind power to run a country and to ruin people's lives!!

It's utter madness!!

How is this discrimination. It is not against a gender sexual preference or race.

Fils

martingriff wrote: »

How is this discrimination. It is not against a gender sexual preference or race.

It is ruining pride month.

ACitizenErased

martingriff wrote: »

How is this discrimination. It is not against a gender sexual preference or race.

Age is one of the 9 grounds for discrimination.
The fact people under 35 haven't been offered vaccines yet and won't be able to get in is a civil case waiting to happen.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Has Tony given an indication yet of when - sometime in the future - all restrictions will be removed?

2 months, maybe?

giveitholly

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Has Tony given an indication yet of when - sometime in the future - all restrictions will be removed?

2 months, maybe?

2032 the last I heard going on their expert modelling

martingriff

MOR316 wrote: »

If that happens, there'll be violent scenes.

Talk of a United Ireland and here's Tony and his bitches in Government essentially splitting a Republic in two...

While I think this in unworkable and very stupid. Our levels are very small and have not even increased (maybe decreased) as stuff is opening up. But there are loads of ways this country exclude people from doing stuff from other people

MOR316

martingriff wrote: »

How is this discrimination. It is not against a gender sexual preference or race.

"My body, my choice"

Or does that only come into play when it suits a certain agenda?

So in order to actually be apart of society and to be accepted, some people have to take a vaccine they either;

1. Don't want.
2. Don't trust and would rather wait Pfizer and Moderna for example
3. If you can't take it for health reasons, you're excluded from society
4. If you haven't been offered one due to age, you're excluded from society.

Society being pubs, clubs, restaurants, travel, cinemas, theatres etc...

You think that's perfectly fine?

martingriff

Fils wrote: »

It is ruining pride month.

LOL

Northernlily

Stephen Donnelly is a lame duck. Absolutely being walked over in the Dept of Health on lots of Covid related things. I actually am beginning to suspect there is something in Holohan that has him hating pubs and socialising.

Get Danny Healy Rae in there.

the kelt

Deleted User wrote: »

Both things can be right, her being a conspiracy theorist and a review being required.

The modelling is seriously dubious and looks to be based on outdated assumptions or a basic error that doesn’t take into account the impact of vaccination. I am convinced looking at the data from NPHET, that the model on hospitalisation assumes that the first vaccines won’t impact rates at all, or new vaccination won’t happen. Something is definitely off anyway. Uk currently have 7 day average 16k cases per day and 1500 in hospital. The middle case from model has 7000 cases per day and about 1250 in hospital by early October. By that stage we will be well ahead of where the uk is at this moment in vaccinations but somehow be at double the hospital rates? It doesn’t add up.

This is the thing, no matter what way you look at it the numbers just don’t stack up, data, numbers and science have gone out the window and been replaced by what? And why?

Genuinely I’m just wondering have they made an error in calculations somewhere along the way, a genuine error but now things have gone too far on to backtrack and admit the error so just plough ahead regardless.

normanoffside

ingo1984 wrote: »

Head of the restaurants association stated they have a meeting scheduled with Leo where they will be seeking a definitive date, if not forthcoming they'll be taking to the streets in national protest. About time. Let the people speak, end this nonsense.

I hope aviation and other sectors join them and make it a massive protest.

growleaves

martingriff wrote: »

How is this discrimination. It is not against a gender sexual preference or race.

Discrimination on medical grounds and may be technically illegal. But it's wrong and has the potential to create social division whether it's illegal or not.

Northernlily

Northernlily wrote: »

Stephen Donnelly is a lame duck.

A vowel is incorrect here.

normanoffside

gansi wrote: »

Saw a map of indoor dining across Europe earlier about four need antigen or vax Denmark and Latvia were on list plus two more.Will try to find it. But many more countries the majority didn’t require either according to that map.

Yes same as Denmark according the Journal fact check article.
He's spoofing

https://www.thejournal.ie/factchecked-ireland-only-country-in-europe-no-indoor-dining-5480750-Jun2021/

Latvia – Indoor services are allowed but diners have to prove they have been vaccinated, are protected because of a previous infection or have a recent negative test.

corkonion

the kelt wrote: »

This is the thing, no matter what way you look at it the numbers just don’t stack up, data, numbers and science have gone out the window and been replaced by what? And why?

Genuinely I’m just wondering have they made an error in calculations somewhere along the way, a genuine error but now things have gone too far on to backtrack and admit the error so just plough ahead regardless.

There is no error. Tony doesn't want pubs to open.. ever, end of.

Fils

eskimohunt wrote: »

A vowel is incorrect here.

Consonant carol

gozunda

gansi wrote: »

Saw a map of indoor dining across Europe earlier about four need antigen or vax Denmark and Latvia were on list plus two more.Will try to find it. But many more countries the majority didn’t require either according to that map.

From a quick check - countries across Europe
which require some type of health passport or testing in restaurants/ cafes etc include

Slovenia, Russia, Monaco, Latvia, Germany, Denmark, Czechia, Cyprus, Austria and the Netherlands (where restaurants, cafes etc are obliged to carry out "health checks" (ie asking specific covid questions)

There may be others...