Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Stormyteacup

Ballynally wrote: »

The way i see it is that the government cannot provide a good enough reason to delay the july19 date f the DCC to the EU because the scare modelling has to be seen in a EU context and the numbers in Ireland do not indicate it being an outlier atm. Projections are not good enough as a selling point.
Real data do make countries revise their policy regarding certain areas but they still will be able to use the DCC as an agreed method.
Legally they could delay but they wont imo.

They fully intend on delaying digital cert, reason cited will be that we are still restricted nationally with no indoor dining & more - therefore we can’t allow foreign visitors without making entry heavily restricted, which will ultimately make it not worth the bother for tourists and outgoing holidaymakers.

Responder XY

Don't get the hate for a Covid pass concept - think it's a good idea, can leverage the EU's DCC and it's already built. It's no more onerous on a restaurant/bar than checking ID for underage drinking.

The only issue I have is that it limits those who haven't had an option to get a vaccine yet or for some reason can't. That isn't fair and with Antigen testing isn't necessary. This needs to be added to valid methods of being allowed to avail of indoor activities.

RobitTV

This 'covid pass' discussion is irrelevant to me. When indoor dining resumes, pubs and restaurants aren't going to be turning away individuals based on their vaccination status. Do you really think they are going to deny entry to paying customers after 16 months of not earning a penny?

This isn't going to happen folks. The government will introduce the 'covid pass' and then it will slowly become useless and the pubs will not ask for it. They haven't got the time or resources to be arguing with people over some silly pass (If they aren't vaccinated yet)

Antigen testing is the way forward, like Denmark.

Jinglejangle69

Good point there about bookies open and packed all day with 20 people st a time.

No social distancing and masks half on.

Ballynally

right now the industry is against proof of vaccination and i suspect the goverment to cave in once it becomes clear it cannot be enforced.
If the government insist and put it in law via emergency legislation the industry still wont implement it. Not enough officers to check.
At some point LFTs (antigen tests) will be introduced which the industry might want to use. It will go from enforced to suggested as a method of proof imo.

namloc1980

Responder XY wrote: »

Don't get the hate for a Covid pass concept - think it's a good idea, can leverage the EU's DCC and it's already built. It's no more onerous on a restaurant/bar than checking ID for underage drinking.

The only issue I have is that it limits those who haven't had an option to get a vaccine yet or for some reason can't. That isn't fair and with Antigen testing isn't necessary. This needs to be added to valid methods of being allowed to avail of indoor activities.

NPHET and Tony say no to antigen tests so those are a non runner. If the corona pass is just a vaccine pass it is discriminatory full stop and hasn't a hope of going ahead.

Oscar Bravo

RobitTv has pretty much summed it up in the post above.

namloc1980

RobitTV wrote: »

This 'covid pass' discussion is irrelevant to me. When indoor dining resumes, pubs and restaurants aren't going to be turning away individuals based on their vaccination status. Do you really think they are going to deny entry to paying customers after 16 months of not earning a penny?

This isn't going to happen folks. The government will introduce the 'covid pass' and then it will slowly become useless and the pubs will not ask for it. They haven't got the time or resources to be arguing with people over some silly pass (If they aren't vaccinated yet)

Antigen testing is the way forward, like Denmark.

Absolutely except NPHET, Tony and Philip Nolan have an ideological hatred of antigen tests. Nolan called them "snake oil" at one point. We're goosed with these lads in charge.

is_that_so

CruelSummer wrote: »

Pathetic from Leo Varadkar.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1410141076871131143?s=21

Implying he ‘hopes it works out for U.K.’ as Ireland’s modelling forecasts all sorts of apocalyptic scenarios.
Used to support FG, not after this.

It's coalition politics and NPHET. You'd struggle to find another party to support as they all agree with this to some extent and NPHET are still backed in their caution by a lot of the population.

francogarbanzo

RobitTV wrote: »

This 'covid pass' discussion is irrelevant to me. When indoor dining resumes, pubs and restaurants aren't going to be turning away individuals based on their vaccination status. Do you really think they are going to deny entry to paying customers after 16 months of not earning a penny?

This isn't going to happen folks. The government will introduce the 'covid pass' and then it will slowly become useless and the pubs will not ask for it. They haven't got the time or resources to be arguing with people over some silly pass (If they aren't vaccinated yet)

Antigen testing is the way forward, like Denmark.

If enough people accept it, and turn up with their vax pass, then pubs and restaurants will accept it too.

bear1

Responder XY wrote: »

Don't get the hate for a Covid pass concept - think it's a good idea, can leverage the EU's DCC and it's already built. It's no more onerous on a restaurant/bar than checking ID for underage drinking.

The only issue I have is that it limits those who haven't had an option to get a vaccine yet or for some reason can't. That isn't fair and with Antigen testing isn't necessary. This needs to be added to valid methods of being allowed to avail of indoor activities.

I wouldn't say it's in any way the same as showing id to get into a bar.
The point of the Id is to prove that you're of legal drinking age, this is essentially disclosing your medical status.
The idea itself would make more sense if there was a possibility to take antigen test, for free, i.e. ala Denmark then I don't think this would have been as disastrous.

Zebra3

Relax brah wrote: »

Whinging about it on boards.ie will definitely fix the issues though lol

People who come out with comments like that are usually the ones who look down their nose at protesters....

Lucas Hood

RobitTV wrote: »

This 'covid pass' discussion is irrelevant to me. When indoor dining resumes, pubs and restaurants aren't going to be turning away individuals based on their vaccination status. Do you really think they are going to deny entry to paying customers after 16 months of not earning a penny?

This isn't going to happen folks. The government will introduce the 'covid pass' and then it will slowly become useless and the pubs will not ask for it. They haven't got the time or resources to be arguing with people over some silly pass (If they aren't vaccinated yet)

Antigen testing is the way forward, like Denmark.

You reference Denmark is the way forward but they use a covid pass.
Either have to vaccinated, had covid recently or a negative pcr or antigen test within last 72 hours.

Doctor Jimbob

Lucas Hood wrote: »

You reference Denmark is the way forward but they use a covid pass.
Either have to vaccinated, had covid recently or a negative pcr or antigen test within last 72 hours.

Which is a sensible system. If we have to implement something like this, why not use that system instead of the discriminatory bullshít being suggested here?

RobitTV

Lucas Hood wrote: »

You reference Denmark is the way forward but they use a covid pass.
Either have to vaccinated, had covid recently or a negative pcr or antigen test within last 72 hours.

This is why I mentioned antigen testing. We need this in Ireland.

Ballynally

Stormyteacup wrote: »

They fully intend on delaying digital cert, reason cited will be that we are still restricted nationally with no indoor dining & more - therefore we can’t allow foreign visitors without making entry heavily restricted, which will ultimately make it not worth the bother for tourists and outgoing holidaymakers.

Well, tourists can still come, stay in a hotel, eat and drink there, visit places.
Many have booked flights.
But i might add another thing. Inbound passengers will have their own country's DCC that HAS to be accepted by Ireland.
The whole thing is more targeted at Irish people going abroad.
No, you cant eat and drink indoors and no, you cant leave the country either without proof and we wont provide it. Your wee paper card wont do.But they are just my darker thoughts, hoping they wont come true.

namloc1980

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Which is a sensible system. If we have to implement something like this, why not use that system instead of the discriminatory bullshít being suggested here?

We know why. Tony and Philip Nolan have an ideological aversion to antigen tests that is not based on science or logic. Unless they have a 180 degree turn around then government wont go against NPHETs view that antigen tests are nothing but "snake oil" as Nolan called them. Yet another area (like indoor hospitality) where we are international outliers.

Doctor Jimbob

namloc1980 wrote: »

We know why. Tony and Philip Nolan have an ideological aversion to antigen tests that is not based on science or logic. Unless they have a 180 degree turn around then government wont go against NPHETs view that antigen tests are nothing but "snake oil" as Nolan called them. Yet another area (like indoor hospitality) where we are international outliers.

Tony knows best. Tony is the expert. Don't be questioning Tony.

namloc1980

Ballynally wrote: »

Well, tourists can still come, stay in a hotel, eat and drink there, visit places.
Many have booked flights.
But i might add another thing. Inbound passengers will have their own country's DCC that HAS to be accepted by Ireland.
The whole thing is more targeted at Irish people going abroad.
No, you cant eat and drink indoors and no, you cant leave the country either without proof and we wont provide it. Your wee paper card wont do.But they are just my darker thoughts, hoping they wont come true.

Where do you get that from? The actual Regulation says otherwise. Individual Member States can impose additional restrictions because Health Policy is a Member State competence. The Green Cert relies on each Member State acting in good faith and mutual recognition. EU actually has no power to implement it because Health is not covered under the treaties.

bear1

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0630/1232172-government-brings-forward-500-fan-limit-to-this-weekend/

How nice of them

RobitTV

The fact that NPHET still won't recommend the use of antigen testing on a national level is an absolute embarrassment.

Denmark and many other EU nations must be wrong. And only Lord Tony is the grand master of the truth.

We are the backwater of Europe.

Avon8

As much as i'd love Antigen testing to become prevalent, as it should, it simply won't work for something as wide scale as mass admission into bars. Denmark has pop up shops all over where people get their test on say a Friday morning for free, and are covered then for the weekend. We saw how slow these numpties were with the initial vaccine rollout. How slow would they be in setting up hundreds of these pop up centres, staffed with the professionals they'd surely demand? Everyone would be jabbed by the time they got enough of them up and running. The few they would provide would have a 5 hour queue on a Friday.

The other option would be bars administering it on the way in, which would take them extra staff, huge queues, waiting for the result. It wouldn't be workable or adhered to and the government wouldn't allow it because apparently non medical professionals can't be trusted to do it right.

Just open indoor dining to all and stop this nonsense. Use testing to open up semi full stadiums and arena's if that's the only way

Doctor Jimbob

bear1 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0630/1232172-government-brings-forward-500-fan-limit-to-this-weekend/

How nice of them

45000 people in Wembley yesterday and we're having 500 people in stadiums reported as if it's newsworthy.

Would they ever fúck off.

namloc1980

bear1 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0630/1232172-government-brings-forward-500-fan-limit-to-this-weekend/

How nice of them

HAHAHAHA. 500 fans in the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick that can hold 44,000. We're a joke.

Yet Tony, of House NPHET, believes that now is the ideal time to lock-up hospitality.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1410172635686789120

Doctor Jimbob

eskimohunt wrote: »

Yet Tony, of House NPHET, believes that now is the ideal time to lock-up hospitality.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1410172635686789120

Should have given the gobshíte the freedom of Mountjoy instead of the freedom of Dublin.

charlie14

namloc1980 wrote: »

HAHAHAHA. 500 fans in the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick that can hold 44,000. We're a joke.

8,000 in Croke Park for the Leinster Semi-finals on Saturday.

namloc1980

charlie14 wrote: »

8,000 in Croke Park for the Leinster Semi-finals on Saturday.

That's a "test event" along with one or two others. The other championship games is as per the actual limit of 500. It's an absolute joke. 500 people in a 44,000 capacity stadium. It's mind boggling.

is_that_so

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Leo said on newstalk it's government policy to use antigen testing

Harris has also been touting it for campuses in September and there has been talk of it for bigger sports events.

RobitTV

LOL

Tubridy is attempting to cover his ass before the future backlash arrives

https://twitter.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1410161949044883464