Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

VinLieger

RobitTV wrote: »

The UK is now considering dumping the 'vaccine pass'

And the morons here are going to spend the next two weeks trying to come up with something out of thin air.

Because the whole idea of it is logistically impossible let alone trying to police and enforce the fecking thing, the UK have figured this out cus theyve spent a month or two trying to make it work but can't, our lot haven't done a tap on this idea despite talking about it for months and now will spend 2-3 weeks before coming to the same conclusion as the UK

Red Silurian

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I think that was a fair enough viewpoint (and one I would have agreed with) back when NPHET were largely in line with experts in other countries. As it stands, they're looking increasingly out on their own. The stance on antigen testing defies all reason, and talk of indoor dining being pushed back until september seems unnecessarily negative.

We'll know for certain within a couple of weeks how serious delta is in the UK. Why not say "look, we're going to kep an eye on the UK to see how strong the link between hospitalisations/deaths and cases is. If that link is weak and there's no major risk to the population, we open on the 19th"?

I respectfully disagree, I say open for indoor dining (and drinking etc) on Monday, with the caveat that this specific move might need to be reversed in the next few weeks and we can say "at least we tried"

This idea of opening with a promise of not reversing is a bad one to make

namloc1980 wrote: »

They presented models to cabinet yesterday akin to a weather forecaster saying that the temperature tomorrow will be somewhere between -10 and +50 degrees and rain will range from 0mm to 1,000mm. If a meteorologist did that they'd be fired. Those models have seriously exposed their "expertise".

If I recall correctly they said in the next 3 months we would have deaths of between 150 and 2,170 on cases of 80k-680k? What figures are the other health experts in Europe etc finding?

charlie14

namloc1980 wrote: »

In Denmark they have 800 pop up test centres all around the country. That's how it works. Or use the already there network of nationwide pharmacies to do them. Easy stuff but no chance we do that in this country. Makes far too much sense.

Not much difference in our population size so we would need the same number of these pop up test centres, plus employees in pharmacies proficient at administering these tests. Even disregarding the pharmacies, staffing these 800 pop up centres would create difficulties I would imagine.

timmyntc

charlie14 wrote: »

Not much difference in our population size so we would need the same number of these pop up test centres, plus employees in pharmacies proficient at administering these tests. Even disregarding the pharmacies, staffing these 800 pop up centres would create difficulties I would imagine.

That depends - in Denmark they need coronapas for barbers and more.
We could only use it for higher risk scenarios here - indoor dining/pubs etc
In that case you need much less testing and therefore less staff.
Local pharmacies could easily do all testing required.

titan18

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I’ve emailed Coveney, McGrath, Martin and O’Laoghaire. I made it clear how disgusted I am at it all.

Ended up emailing the four of them there too. Doubt it'll do anything or that they'll even read it, but said I might as well add one unopened email to their queue.

Sweet.Science

charlie14 wrote: »

Perhaps because it may not be always advisable to follow the results of others when a later variable becomes known.
The India variant has slowed down the U.K. reopening and had it been present when they did their test events, then their conclusions may have been much different on attendance numbers.

What are you talking about ? We are literally sitting back and seeing how other countries get on with this new variant.

They've had events since this new one . Are you saying delta only came about after all the events they have had lately ?

namloc1980

charlie14 wrote: »

Not much difference in our population size so we would need the same number of these pop up test centres, plus employees in pharmacies proficient at administering these tests. Even disregarding the pharmacies, staffing these 800 pop up centres would create difficulties I would imagine.

So we're special? Denmark can do it, but for us Irish, tis impossible.

charlie14

titan18 wrote: »

What level of vaccination did they reopen at back in April and May. Do you remember the snooker finals back in April being packed as I do. We're not even close to where they are back then in regards reopening

Are you not overlooking that this delta variant is the reason the U.K stalled their reopening.
Their levels of reopening were based on the then alpha variant and vaccination levels based on that variant. There test events data based on the same. If it was now with the delta variant who knows what their data would have shown as regards their reopening road-map.

RobTheLad

It's my 30th birthday today. A memory popped up on Facebook this morning from this day last year of me and the old man sitting indoors in a pub having a pint. Seem to remember they reopened on June 29th last year.

Little did I think a year later we wouldn't even have the luxury to do that.

Spiderman0081

I just heard that those who have received only one dose of their vaccine can order a pint indoors but have to drink it outside

titan18

charlie14 wrote: »

Are you not overlooking that this delta variant is the reason the U.K stalled their reopening.
Their levels of reopening were based on the then alpha variant and vaccination levels based on that variant. There test events data based on the same. If it was now with the delta variant who knows what their data would have shown as regards their reopening road-map.

No, i'm just making a big deal of it. They stalled the reopening of things like nightclubs (delta variant or not, that's not even on our radar). They reopened indoor dining ages ago and whilst there's been a spike, is that down to indoor dining, or is that down to them being in the Euros so there's a huge reason for them to go out and party? We're not comparing like with like here.

It's the same with Scotland, they had a huge occasion Friday week ago that resulted in a lot of parties and socialisation. It's equivalent to us being open on St Patricks Day and not expecting a spike tbh, no matter what the variant is.

Eivor

gozunda wrote: »

Atm we have temporary restrictions. They are not permanent.

That’s what we thought in March last year. 15 months later they don’t seem so temporary

niallo27

charlie14 wrote: »

Are you not overlooking that this delta variant is the reason the U.K stalled their reopening.
Their levels of reopening were based on the then alpha variant and vaccination levels based on that variant. There test events data based on the same. If it was now with the delta variant who knows what their data would have shown as regards their reopening road-map.

They had 45k at Wembley yesterday, do you actually belive what you are typing.

RobitTV

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

I just heard that those who have received only one dose of their vaccine can order a pint indoors but have to drink it outside

Please tell me this is a piss take :pac:

M_Murphy57

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

I just heard that those who have received only one dose of their vaccine can order a pint indoors but have to drink it outside

Did they mention what the rules are if you have an appointment but haven't got the jab yet?

Spiderman0081

RobitTV wrote: »

Please tell me this is a piss take :pac:

Imagine reading what I wrote and being unsure if it was true or not

Spiderman0081

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Did they mention what the rules are if you have an appointment but haven't got the jab yet?

You just have to bring the person who is going to administer the vaccine to the pub with you. If he/she is vaccinated, ye can share a pint at the door.

Are Christenings allowed to go ahead?

RobitTV

How will Christmas be saved this year? we need to start preparing to #SaveChristmas

OwenM

Deleted User wrote: »

Are Christenings allowed to go ahead?

Only if the baby is vaccinated.

namloc1980

Deleted User wrote: »

Are Christenings allowed to go ahead?

If they weren't allowed up to now then no. All changes to indoor activities have been put back to the 19th July, with the exception of weddings going up to 50 people.

Deeper Blue

niallo27 wrote: »

They had 45k at Wembley yesterday, do you actually belive what you are typing.

And they'll have 60k in a week's time.

They're actually living with covid like most sensible countries.

But NPHET know better.

kieran26

charlie14 wrote: »

Are you not overlooking that this delta variant is the reason the U.K stalled their reopening.
Their levels of reopening were based on the then alpha variant and vaccination levels based on that variant. There test events data based on the same. If it was now with the delta variant who knows what their data would have shown as regards their reopening road-map.

The UK are saying they are going to be fully reopen on July the 19th. they paused for 3 weeks and seem to be ploughing on regardless.
In Ireland we are saying we are going to have a plan for re-opening on the 19th July, not that anything will reopen. all based on what looks to be flawed data.
The vaccines work against the Delta varient. this seems to be forgotten.
the test events here are a farce. Just because the varient is slighly different, possibly slightly more transmissable, doesn't mean data previously gathered is useless.

retro:electro

So we lockdown initially to protect the elderly and vulnerable, now the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated and they get to live the high life indoors while the ones to sacrificed everything in order to protect them have to sit outside like the great unwashed in case it spreads to who exactly? In what world does that make any sense. Riddle me that

namloc1980

RobitTV wrote: »

How will Christmas be saved this year? we need to start preparing to #SaveChristmas

NPHET modelling that 90% of us will be dead by then so we should be ok from a social distancing point of view.

TefalBrain

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I’ve emailed Coveney, McGrath, Martin and O’Laoghaire. I made it clear how disgusted I am at it all.

You wouldn't link to their email would you, even just PM me please. I'm absolutely raging today as my daughter's job is now closing because of yesterday's decision and i'd like to let them know my feelings. Thanks.

1992ChainGang

RobitTV wrote: »

How will Christmas be saved this year? we need to start preparing to #SaveChristmas

In March we were so close.... https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/were-close-finish-leo-varadkar-23738314

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

If they weren't allowed up to now then no. All changes to indoor activities have been put back to the 19th July, with the exception of weddings going up to 50 people.

I am not sure if they were allowed up to now it is my niece.

namloc1980

Deleted User wrote: »

I am not sure if they were allowed up to now it is my niece.

Best to check with the local parish office.

titan18

TefalBrain wrote: »

You wouldn't link to their email would you, even just PM me please. I'm absolutely raging today as my daughter's job is now closing because of yesterday's decision and i'd like to let them know my feelings. Thanks.

Their email addresses (along with any other TDs) are on Oireachtas.ie

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/members/tds/?tab=constituency&term=%2Fie%2Foireachtas%2Fhouse%2Fdail%2F33&constituency=%2Fie%2Foireachtas%2Fhouse%2Fdail%2F33%2Fconstituency%2FCork-South-Central

I'm not sure it does much unfortunately, but it's something at least. Maybe if they get thousands of emails in their inboxes, they might do something.