Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

bear1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156236#Comment_118156236

And again you ignore a question that's being asked.

12x more likely are they, source for that?

You said 50% of hospital beds are taken by unvaccinated people and my response was more a tongue in cheek response to that but I see it went over your head.

facehugger99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118155990#Comment_118155990

The truly worrying thing about the response to Covid has not been the Governments authoritarian response to it but the widespread approval of same by the electorate. How easy it is to control people by fear is amazing,

If our Constitutional Rights can be suspended over a virus that poses a near negligible risk to the vast, vast majority of the population, then it turns out they were worth fcuk all to begin with.

facehugger99

I was speaking with a nurse last night and she said the two entire wards of patients in James' had gotten infected with Covid - no doubt they are now part of the stats on the numbers of people in hospital with Covid despite the fact that none of them were in hospital because of covid - maybe some of them are even the filthy unvaccinated.

20 months in and still no data to clearly outline how many are being hospitalized because of Covid and how many are getting it while in there - not a fcuking peep from the media.

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156595#Comment_118156595

it's the dirty unvax not allowed socialise that's doing it

MOH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156230#Comment_118156230

Thought you'd say that. So in your world, anyone without a covid cert is by definition an "anti-vaxer".

So that includes people who with medical conditions who have been advised not to get the vaccine; people who went for the vaccine but had a negative reaction to the first dose and were advised not to get a second; people who've had the first dose and are waiting for their second; people who weren't eligible for the vaccine because they'd had covid and got a cert on the basis of recovery which has now expired, who might now be in the process of getting vaccinated.

All of these people are lumped under your handy emotive term "anti-vaxer", in an attempt to make it more palatable to justify restrictions against then.

Glib like labels are great for dismissing people who make you uncomfortable. I guess it's a bit like taking someone who advocates falsely labelling cohorts of society with a pejorative term, painting them as morally or otherwise inferior to their peers, and using that as a basis for rhetoric calling for restrictions on their freedom - and calling that person a fascist scumbag.

Hego Damask

Seems Norway is going to offer boosters to everyone over 18 - must be 1st country in EU/Schengen ?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/norway-plans-third-covid-19-vaccine-dose-all-adults-2021-11-12/

 

https://www.thelocal.no/20211112/norway-to-offer-covid-19-booster-jabs-to-everyone-over-18/

From the local :

We are therefore planning for the rest of the population to be offered a third dose next year. It will contribute to the individual being well protected against the virus and also avoid a great burden on society and working life,” Støre said at the press conference.

Wow !! so the fully vaccinated are now the filthy unvaccinated that are going to cause a burden !!

One must be 3x vaccinated to be fully vaccinated.

So how can a population of 90% adults fully vaccinated be a burden on the health service ??

I remember months ago when Israel started this someone here said, the 3x vaccinated will be turned against the 2x vaccinated - and I thought conspiracy level stuff.

This is nuts.

This is proof that it will never end, what will be different next winter with 4x shot ? and the next with 5x etc ?

Don't people see it's a never ending cycle ...

topper75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156104#Comment_118156104

They are on record with a lot of things.

Tony Holohan is also on record as saying in May 2020 that Ireland has 'extinguished the virus from the community': https://www.thejournal.ie/tony-holohan-community-transmission-5102798-May2020/

Same guy stated on record that 'there is no natural immunity from this virus': https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/debateRecord/special_committee_on_covid-19_response/2020-05-19/debate/mul@/main.pdf

Same guy is on record as stating that people can have 'confidence in their vaccines': https://twitter.com/CMOIreland/status/1438176228423389187

NPHET are not very accurate, are they? They are charlatans, authoritarians, and pharma shills. Why weren't they stood down and replaced? Why, when we continue to reward failure, do we express surprise that an issue remains glaringly unresolved after 20 months?

MOH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156278#Comment_118156278

Probably because of the same man who opposed it as snake oil, who said retrospective contact tracing was an academic exercise, who cherry picks extremely narrow statistics to make misleading claims.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156383#Comment_118156383

But nphet are always going on about cases. They're obsessed with them.

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156720#Comment_118156720

Of course they are.

It's literally what they're there for.

PTH2009

Quite enjoyed my day yesterday, packed pubs in Dublin with everyone in good spirits and the Aviva stadium likewise.

No fear just pure enjoyment, great to see

Scuid Mhór

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156678#Comment_118156678

Norway continues to lead the world in common sense it seems.

brickster69

Israel told everyone that vaccines were not the way out of the pandemic 5 months ago. They were obliged contractually to release it's data to the world which it did, yet still the fanboys here claimed it was all a lie and vaccines were 94% effective against transmission.

Look at it from the middle of July, what is it now ?

watchingfromafar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156688#Comment_118156688

Actually as much as I dislike Tony I think its ridiculous to suggest he was saying you wouldnt develop natural immunity from the virus after an infection, he was talking about there being no prior natural immunity since it was a novel virus.

"The ease of its transmission and its severity, particularly for those who are vulnerable, combined with the fact that there is no natural immunity to this virus, no medicines available for its specific treatment and no vaccines, has presented an unprecedented global public health challenge."

Lets not go making assumptions out of context. He was wrong about a lot but you are taking his statement incorrectly

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156431#Comment_118156431

Ok, so you really were asking the question. Yes, it means that about 50% are vaccinated, with 92% vaccinated and 8% unvaxxed, that's a 12x difference (11.5 to be more exact) difference in hospitalisation rates.

watchingfromafar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156726#Comment_118156726

They shouldn't be the sole voice government listen to. (*mainly)

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156787#Comment_118156787

They're no where near the sole voice the government listen to.

They have been constantly engaging with all business sectors, sports organisations, liaising with other governments, WHO etc. etc.

Blut2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118155991#Comment_118155991

That argument would hold weight in March or April 2020. We're now 18+ months into the pandemic, in one of the richest countries in the world. It mightn't be possible to 'fix' our healthcare model, but as we approach 2 years of corona there should have been far, far more emphasis placed on expanding our hospital capacity. We could have thrown billions of euros at it very easily. But that didn't happen, because the government banked everything first of all on eradicating covid through lockdown, and then through vaccination. Both of which have failed spectacularly.

And theres still no government emphasis on rapid capacity expansion. To quote the 2022 budget, from a few weeks ago, directly: ""The minister said €10.5m has been provided for 19 additional critical care beds in 2022, bringing the total ICU beds next year to 340"

Devoting €10mn euros (note thats not billion), to add a grand total of 1.5 ICU beds a month, is absolute nonsense given the scale of the crisis facing the healthcare system. And given the literal billions of euros spent on the PUP, on lockdowns, and on everything else corona related. The government are *still* doing everything in their power to avoid actually reforming and funding the public healthcare system in Ireland. Its scandalous.

topper75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156775#Comment_118156775

He was screamingly wrong with that ignorant May 2020 statement. I know households where people couldn't isolate from each other - cooking, toilet, sleeping etc. Some got it. Some didn't. That is natural immunity - by definition. I'm talking the summer of 2020. There will never ever be any virus from which at least some humans don't have a natural immunity. For me he betrayed his ignorance right out the door.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156803#Comment_118156803

They can't manage a pandemic and reform at the same time so you should probably reserve your outrage for after all of this has passed. The ICU conundrum is a staffing issue.

SupplyandDemandZone

So it's not obvious to the world that vaccines aren't the way out of this. Maybe now we can have an actual grown up discussion about living with Covid and not this fear induced coma the majority of our people seem to be in.

watchingfromafar

You know people on boards are fooked when the reddit Ireland thread on the expansion of passes is a majority of people against it for gyms and hairdressers.

Didn't think I'd see that coming.

Blut2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156828#Comment_118156828

Corona isn't going away. Its here forever now. By your logic the system can never be reformed so?

And thats absolute nonsense as an argument either way, plenty of other countries have rapidly increased their ICU and hospital capacity in the last 18 months. Because their governments had a bit more foresight than ours. Its completely possible to build new hospitals, or expand existing ones, during a pandemic that lasts for years.

The problem also isn't staffing. Over 60,000 medical professionals offered their services to the government in Spring 2020 when the HSE launched a desperation recruitment drive. Only approx 500 were employed. And how many Irish medical professionals have left the country in the last decade because of the poor pay and working conditions, who would only love to return if they improved? Something fixable over night if the political will to do so was there.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156867#Comment_118156867

No my logic is we that can start work once on this settles down and it will. They only got as far as a reorganisation of hospital groups before COVID hit. Reform is way bigger than headline ICU beds anyway. There are huge gaps in community and primary care so we need to see Slaintecare start to do its work.

Multipass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118155914#Comment_118155914

That could be the idea of banning them from hairdressers 😂

Joking aside the whole thing is just so disturbing.

facehugger99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156839#Comment_118156839

I wouldn't hold your breath. The media have spent the last 18months trying to convince everyone that Covid was the Black Death - all to generate some revenue-clicks.

A sizable cohort are beyond hysterical and many others have bought in too deeply to the 'deadly pandemic' narrative - too much sunk-cost investment for them to back out of it now.

bloopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156861#Comment_118156861

It was quite surprising alright

watchingfromafar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156918#Comment_118156918

Anyone see the video of the woman demanding to see other passengers covid passes on flight?

This is what the media fear mongering and total calling for harsher and harsher measures/finger pointing has done.

We need to get rid of passes before we go even further into madness.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118155696#Comment_118155696

That’s ridiculous. How are we meant to protest outside of « well-meaning » politicians and members of NPHET’s places of residence if you bring in those kind of laws ?

SupplyandDemandZone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156918#Comment_118156918

Yeah it's actually sad to witness tbh. People will be effected mentally for years by this, some may never be normal again.