Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

is_that_so

FileNotFound wrote: »

What we have done for covid should never be repeated until we have a real threat.

Anyone who thinks trying to implement any of this long term is really stretching - while I hate the term nanny state, it is imperative we do not let one develop.

We've done a lot of things with COVID, not all of them overreaching and I mean the interventions not the restrictions. Identifying categories for at risk people is one excellent one, the process of testing cycles in care homes along with better infection control protocols, proven ability to do massive scale vaccination programmes and one would imagine there are a number of protocols in hospitals that have emerged from this.

stephenjmcd

NI going ahead with relaxing more restrictions

https://twitter.com/paulcolgan/status/1410627984755724298?s=19

namloc1980

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NI going ahead with relaxing more restrictions

https://twitter.com/paulcolgan/status/1410627984755724298?s=19

We plan to have a plan by the 19th though.

MrMusician18

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

The last 68 weeks have taught us that the next 2 are crucial.

The problem is that when you're fighting an ever present that that will resurge if you let your guard down, the next two weeks are always crucial. As is the next month, quarter, six months and year.

The messaging is tiresome but it isn't wrong.

jakiah

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NI going ahead with relaxing more restrictions

https://twitter.com/paulcolgan/status/1410627984755724298?s=19

Incredible, its like an alternate reality

Presumably NPHET didnt bother to pass on news of the 'hurricane' of deaths on the way to our neighbours

namloc1980

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The problem is that when you're fighting an ever present that that will resurge if you let your guard down, the next two weeks are always crucial. As is the next month, quarter, six months and year.

The messaging is tiresome but it isn't wrong.

Northern Ireland opening indoor and ourdoor music events as well as removing most outdoor limits from the 5th July. Someone is getting this badly wrong.

jakiah

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The problem is that when you're fighting an ever present that that will resurge if you let your guard down, the next two weeks are always crucial. As is the next month, quarter, six months and year.

The messaging is tiresome but it isn't wrong.

The last two weeks were not crucial. Nor the two weeks before that. Or the two before that.

Other countries have shown this to be the case. If anything, we should be having a conversation on whether we are to close things, not open them.

Sobit1964

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The problem is that when you're fighting an ever present that that will resurge if you let your guard down, the next two weeks are always crucial. As is the next month, quarter, six months and year.

The messaging is tiresome but it isn't wrong.

Posts like this are starting to sound akin to antivax levels of rhetoric, both ignore the available and published data.

jakiah

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Posts like this are starting to sound akin to antivax levels of rhetoric, both ignore the available and published data.

The vaccine is schrodingers vaccine, it both works and doesnt work at the same time

facehugger99

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Posts like this are starting to sound akin to antivax levels of rhetoric, both ignore the available and published data.

Some people will be devastated when this is over.

Hurrache

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's extremely relevant in the context of us continuing to destroy the domestic economy in this country by having thousands of businesses shut down for close on 16 months and our debt heading for €250bn.

As great as I can be, I somehow doubt any of my views has an influence on the domestic economy.

Hurrache

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Stop posting that discredited and debunked fear monger - his time in the sun is gladly over.

Like I said, I didn't post for his views, I didn't even read them, the numbers are real, and not his, so doesn't matter how debunked or discredited you may think he is.

If I abstracted each individual data set anyway and posted them, you'd still find a way to whinge about them.

Jinglejangle69

Scaremongering starting because of cases today.

the kelt

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NI going ahead with relaxing more restrictions

https://twitter.com/paulcolgan/status/1410627984755724298?s=19

Crazy Baxtards, do they not know of the incoming hurricane?

ceadaoin.

Hurrache wrote: »

Can't beat an oul bit of casual racism.

ding-dong
/ˈdiNGdôNG/
noun
INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
a silly or foolish person.

Allinall

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Scaremongering starting because of cases today.

Where?

namloc1980

Allinall wrote: »

Where?

RTE.ie headline right now is "IRELAND'S COVID-19 DEATH TOLL REACHES 5,000".

jakiah

jakiah wrote: »

Incredible, its like an alternate reality

Presumably NPHET didnt bother to pass on news of the 'hurricane' of deaths on the way to our neighbours

The virus doesn't respect borders dontcha know. This means we will need even MORE restrictions to protect ourselves from eh everyone else in the world who is managing this better than we are.

User1998

“UK reports another 27,989 coronavirus cases - the highest since late January”

“The number of weekly cases in England hit its highest level since mid-February last month, according to data from the NHS”

“The last time cases were this high was on 29 January, when there were 29,079. But on that day there were 1,245 COVID-related deaths reported, compared to 22 on Thursday.”

Great to see only 22 deaths with covid despite almost 28,000 cases reported today in the UK. Especially when you consider that around 1,500 people die in the UK everyday anyway.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/uk-reports-another-27-989-covid-cases-highest-since-late-january-12346478

Jinglejangle69

Allinall wrote: »

Where?

Matt Cooper.

This day last year we had 6 cases, today 448 cases. That's with 4 million people vaccinated.

The delta variant wave has begun.

MrMusician18

jakiah wrote: »

The last two weeks were not crucial. Nor the two weeks before that. Or the two before that.

Other countries have shown this to be the case. If anything, we should be having a conversation on whether we are to close things, not open them.

If you were fighting a war and there was a lull in action the commander wouldn't say to his troops, "you know what, we'll head off for two weeks R&R and then come back to the front and nothing will have changed". As soon as they withdraw, the enemy will take that opportunity, the lull will end.

When public health experts have said that the next two weeks are crucial, it is always followed up with that we adhere to the public health guidelines, whatever they are at the time. Almost all countries still have some restrictions, and all have different levels of vaccination so there is no post pandemic case study to point to.

So when it is said that the next two weeks are crucial, they mean it's crucial that you do what you are asked to do otherwise we will go backwards. That it's crucial that real behaviour is similar to that modelled so that a path can be charted out of this.

jakiah

MrMusician18 wrote: »

If you were fighting a war and there was a lull in action the commander wouldn't say to his troops, "you know what, we'll head off for two weeks R&R and then come back to the front and nothing will have changed".

Jesus H Christ

MOR316

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NI going ahead with relaxing more restrictions

https://twitter.com/paulcolgan/status/1410627984755724298?s=19

The virus respects the Good Friday Agreement

Sobit1964

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Stop posting that discredited and debunked fear monger - his time in the sun is gladly over.

So you are saying hospitalisations are not increasing in the UK?

PTH2009

Last night there was a glimmer of hope that members of the government had enough of NPHET and Tony and were going to stand up to them but that seems to have blown over and all friends again

I really hope protests happen and serious ones but cant see anything been done and as everywhere else starts to open up fully like our near neighbours we will be talking about having a plan for a plan :mad::mad:

MrMusician18

jakiah wrote: »

Jesus H Christ

No actual response, just as I thought. Just a glib one liner.

MOH

Hurrache wrote: »

You should propose your cure for any disease, just don't test for it.

C'mon would ya with that nonsense that people tried to use last year. Are you saying that they've decided to test more lately, and that's the only reason the numbers are increasing?

Last year? That's exactly what NPHET said a few weeks ago about schools.

Flip it around: if you only did 10% the number of tests tomorrow than you did today, and numbers dropped by around 90%, would you believe there magically weren't as many cases?

Hurrache

User1998 wrote: »

“UK reports another 27,989 coronavirus cases - the highest since late January”

“The number of weekly cases in England hit its highest level since mid-February last month, according to data from the NHS”

“The last time cases were this high was on 29 January, when there were 29,079. But on that day there were 1,245 COVID-related deaths reported, compared to 22 on Thursday.”

Great to see only 22 deaths with covid despite almost 28,000 cases reported today. Especially when you consider that around 1,500 people die in the UK everyday anyway.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/uk-reports-another-27-989-covid-cases-highest-since-late-january-12346478

They must be just testing more, it's coincidental.

namloc1980

Hurrache wrote: »

They must be just testing more, it's coincidental.

They are. 600k tests a day a few weeks ago. 1.2m today

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing

Hurrache

MOH wrote: »

Flip it around: if you only did 10% the number of tests tomorrow than you did today, and numbers dropped by around 90%, would you believe there magically weren't as many cases?

So you're saying that the highest number in the UK since January is just because they've testing more than they did between January and now?

edit: I see we were helpfully provided with the stats.