Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Mr. Karate

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118348882#Comment_118348882

We didn't bring his dead children into this. He did. With all the lives ruined by decisions that have been based on emotions you can't be surprised that people are angry.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118348781#Comment_118348781

The simple facts are that NPHET is an advisory body to Government. The do not determine policy and never have. They report to the Government and the Government determines what if any policy will be followed.

When it comes to leaking, far as I have seen they come after NPHET have given their report to Government, and this Government leaks like a sieve. I would be more inclined to believe the pubs and restaurants closing at 5 p.m. leak was more members of government leaking than NPHET and it wasn`t for the first time either this has been done for their own reasons

If I was worried about a danger to out democracy, I would be more worried about Cabinet leaks than those from an advisory body to government.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118348920#Comment_118348920

That's even worse.

He's allowed to mention his dead children without it being politicised against him by people opposed to lockdowns.

I'm opposed to lockdowns - including this recent pseudo-lockdown announcement - and that's why I'm opposed to Martin and every other mainstream politician in favour of NPHET recommendations.

But I just do not see the value of politicising his 2 dead children. In fact, I think to even engage in that kind of discussion is bordering on the sick.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118348882#Comment_118348882

NPHET are not the problem, they are doing their job, the blame firmly lies at the feet of the weak leadership in the government. They are afraid to make a decision.

The way I see it is that NPHET will make their recommendations which will always be 100% medical based and risk adverse. They dont care about any other factors. Government are suppose to take those recommendations on board as well as other factors and make their decisions on that but because the leadership is weak they have accepted and implemented everything NPHET advise because they don't have to take responsibility. Simple as that Martin has never made a decision in his life.

Mr. Karate

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118348942#Comment_118348942

Its the timing that irks people. Just after imposing more restrictions for Christmas [and probably a lockdown announcement in the coming days] this interview drops. People are going to be angry that their lives have been ruined because he and Holohan are making emotional based decisions instead of rational ones. They need to step down if they are not capable of doing that. The people have suffered enough.

dragonkin

Michael Martin was on Brendan O’Connor today saying the the covid passes would be updated with the booster in the new year. It will be compulsory and part of an EU wide rollout? Also the German Health minister has called for mandatory vaccination asap.

Its good to see governments taking this seriously especially in regard to the unvaccinated who are frankly a danger to themselves and others. I’m hoping in the new year we might have this a little bit under control but it’s going to take a lot more than closing the pubs/restaurants at 8pm.

Steveimitation

And how do we control the future variants then eh?

PsychoPete

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349123#Comment_118349123

We just wait for a new booster for each new variant

Steveimitation

Forever?

PsychoPete

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349242#Comment_118349242

Yeah just get dosed up every three months and if we are all good little citizens Tony might allow us to stay in a pub past 8

Hego Damask

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118345902#Comment_118345902

in fairness these people queuing are getting it for themselves, I doubt they are under any illusion that it will change things restriction wise.

And booster does seem to protect against Omicrn - at least till the next variant comes along.

But we need to get this crap out of our heads that this is working on population level - it isn't, it's working on individual level.

Steveimitation

That's just not true though is it? Plenty of people got the original vaccine to try and access a return to normality not because they feared the disease.

And plenty of people are doing that with the booster too.

DLink

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349306#Comment_118349306

You make a fair point about the individual vaccines, I guess, but we're not going to comply the restrictions away, there still needs to be some pushback.

Like I said before, I'll most likely take the booster, depending on how they link it to travel & certs, but I plan on being a bad statistic for a while at least.

Beasty

Drop the references to personal tragedies. They are not issues that warrant discussion here

Any questions PM me. Do not respond to this post in-thread

ginoginelli

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118348607#Comment_118348607

Agreed, its absolutely sickening. I'd like to say a new low for this thread but the sad trolls on here are pretty consistent with their cruelty and callousness.

Hego Damask

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349363#Comment_118349363

100% agree...

PTH2009

After 8 drinking we shall meet again my chum

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349703#Comment_118349703

Yeah Costa might bring them back some day...

Richard Hillman

Is it a case of that the government need NPHET in place to be able to roll on and off restrictions?

As in with the "emergency" legislation in place, they wouldn't be able to justify having them in place if there is no emergency response committee?

It sounds to me like they are intent on having restrictions for the long term. If the EU are insisting that countries have their updated booster passports throughout all of next year and probably beyond, we might be stuck with NPHET for a long long time.

If we are stuck with NPHET for years ahead, then government should actually be looking to hire actual experts from outside that have no conflicts of interest or long term national goals.

Send Glynn and Holohan back to their day jobs.

Floppybits

Be interesting to see what the attendance will be like this week for the schools. They should really have closed them on Friday.

PTH2009

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349724#Comment_118349724

That's not happening and NPHET wont be relieved of there duties anytime soon

That Disbandment was comical

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349724#Comment_118349724

There is zero desire by anybody in government to have NPHET changed in any way. NPHET is their shield.

There is a reason every single public figure is always at pains to point out that they respect and follow the public health advice.

There is a symbiotic relationship there, unfortunately the fact that it is bad for the country matters not a jot to those benefiting from it.

delly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349778#Comment_118349778

So what's the benefit for those that you speak of?

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118347238#Comment_118347238

I do it on a computer, however they don’t work a set shift pattern or regular overtime, so it has to be entered manually.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118348439#Comment_118348439

Do those 150 staff all work different shifts on different weeks? With different overtime’s, shift allowances, location allowances etc? Parents leave, parental leave, certified sick leave, uncertified sick leave, Covid leave, study leave, etc

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349803#Comment_118349803

Stop pretending your HR and payroll is special, because it isn't. Even my own place has every single thing you just listed.

Talking about sick leave and parental leave as if nobody else ever has to process that...

tomgrange1978

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349803#Comment_118349803

Employees clock in and out and have portal that lets them to choose holidays study leave sick leave etc etc

Being serious you would not believe what is out there, I know the public sector is the Stone Age when it comes to things like this

I see myself first hand in the courts and the councils

but hey the public sector has decent wages and excellent pensions

i am a financial controller in private sector but plan on moving to revenue in 5 years to see out my career

get me some of that sweet living

acequion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118346147#Comment_118346147

I'm afraid you're the one talking nonsense going on about people being obsessed by Holohan. They're not obsessed, they're frustrated and resentful and don't trust him. I also don't know why you bother to reply to my posts when you make little reference to my actual points and basically go on your own rant. I never said that Holohan is a dictator, I never said that the Government shouldn't listen to his advice. I said that Holohan has an enormous psychological hold over Government and population which I find disturbing. I explained my reasons for my opinion, an opinion shared by many. If you don't agree that's your prerogative.Your posting history would suggest that you are very much pro NPHET and that too is your prerogative. But you're not going to change my mind and I neither have the time nor the interest in a tit for tat. So let's leave it there.

PTH2009

Anti Alcohol must come into play at this point

How is it OK for a British person go out for a few drinks after 8pm/12 but us irish can't. I know within parts of the EU there going through lockdowns of there own but they would/may of had different ways of living/cultures reacting differently. We're been told 'your a bad person if you're not at home in bed within this time etc

I'm disliked by many on this fourm but i need somewhere to vent my frustration. Mentally frustrated

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118348716#Comment_118348716

I have to disagree to a certain extent , Leo has in fact been the cheerleader when it comes to mixed messaging, Supporting Restrictions, then not so much, then supporting and then saying they are peculiar. He wants it both ways but never wants to be seen to have been supporting the very decisions his government have made.