Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Level 42

opinionated3 wrote: »

Sky news reporting England's R number has fallen slightly again. Where the hell are we going wrong?!

R number falling despite all the p1ss ups and euro matches .how contagious is this delta or is it all made up

FileNotFound

basill wrote: »

He was never meant to be in power. He was put in first so that FG and leaky Leo can then take over for the 2nd part of the term and do the usual give aways.

Its really boils down to the parish pump political system in Ireland. If you look at the popular vote from the last election none of these people should be in power. The only reason they are there is for the fact that over a period of approximately 140 days they essentially tore up their own political parties manifestos in order to cling to power and form a government that was not democratically elected. If people made protest votes and voted tactically just once in their lives then just maybe we might get rid of all these idiots and have some real change in the country.

Not sure how you can claim the leader of the largest party in the Gov was never meant to be in power? Maybe you mistyped.

Or is it your love of Leo that has clouded your clarity :D:D:D

Our elected officials as a whole (gov and opposition) have been appalling this year. Then again none of them are really qualified for leading nations or handling health crisis.


Hate him or love him - Leo at the start with his 2 stooges actually did better than anyone

jakiah

https://news.sky.com/story/r-number-in-england-falls-slightly-to-1-1-to-1-3-despite-rise-in-case-numbers-12347078

Patrick2010

Level 42 wrote: »

R number falling despite all the p1ss ups and euro matches .how contagious is this delta or is it all made up

and indoor dining since April

rob316

FileNotFound wrote: »

To busy sucking up the young vote for next time round to actually oppose anything haha.

But seriously given the poor job the Gov have done in recent months I am shocked the opposition (all of it not 1 party) have not connected with WHO, ECDC etc, to provide a second scientific opinion.

Surely they can request the modelling and submit for review even if the Gov does not want to.

You must be joking, its a republican party with socialist ideals, they scream bloody murder when the PUP is about to be cut that's it. If SF had been in power they would have been giving out €500 a week in PUP

CalamariFritti

Quags wrote: »

The "Delta" variant has a case fatality rate of 0.1% (Public Health England, 11 June 2021).

The true infection fatality rate is lower than this.

Common symptoms are said to include a headache, sore throat and runny nose.

In other words, it is a cold.

This is not true. 0.12% is not the case fatality rate. It is the fatality rate amongst the severe cases. Where severe cases are people needing hospital attendance or stay or worse.

So that what's the percentage of cases that need hospital attendance or worse? Is it 5%, 2%? I dont know. 5% seems high but if its 5% you can divide that 0.12% by 20. That makes it 0.006%. That would be abetter approximation of the case fatality rate.

And to get to infection fatality rate we need to take into account undetected cases also. Could be another factor of 3 or 5 or 10 or godknowswhat. We'd have an idea if we did representative testing like real scientists demanded many many months ago.

It's minuscule either way.

namloc1980

Patrick2010 wrote: »

and indoor dining since April

They had a full house for the snooker final in Sheffield 2 months ago. We still can't have any organised indoor events except for, bizarrely enough, weddings.

voldejoie

https://www.thejournal.ie/pharmacies-vaccinate-18-34-monday-5483412-Jul2021/

Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn said the announcement paves the way for every adult in Ireland to be vaccinated by the end of August.

Dr Glynn added that he would encourage everyone to get a vaccine as soon as it is available to them.

However, he warned that, regardless of today’s announcement, Ireland is still facing into a significant surge in coronavirus infections in the next two months because of the Delta variant.

“That will not materially alter the course of what we’re going to deal with in July and August, it may well alter what we have to deal with beyond that,” he said.

I mean, I would HOPE that if it is possible that the adult population will be fully vaccinated by the end of August it will materially alter things after that, otherwise what is the POINT? Christ I despair of this crap, nearly annoyed at myself for reading it

acequion

Arturo Delgado wrote: »

I've watch the Taoiseach since he came to power and it's obvious he is one of the weakest we have ever had. He has no courage, no questions about NPHET, no real plan, no conviction. Just utters inane statements. We're not coming out of this at all over the next few months and it's simply the governments fault. Hopefully people will get so fed up they will peacefully show themselves on the streets in their tens of thousands soon.

And considering he was part and parcel of that toxic FF administration that ran this country over a cliff and caused almost a decade of economic carnage it really beggars belief that he is now Taoiseach and that he was comfortably voted back in every election since. "You get the Govt you deserve" is an unfortunate truism.

And I agree with the posters who don't want to be associated with protests run by nutters and anti vaxxers. We need protests run by reasonable people with credibility but we have a leadership vacuum in that respect.

It's incredibly depressing. I'd advise any bright young person to start looking into a future overseas.

bloopy

opinionated3 wrote: »

Sky news reporting England's R number has fallen slightly again. Where the hell are we going wrong?!

Isn't the delta variant just the renamed indian variant?
What happened in India that their cases dropped so much?

agoodpunt

opps 5m double vaxed in UK given an indian version of AZ it was not approved and they will not be able to travel

while 1m here got pfizer not allowed dine in

Quags

acequion wrote: »

And I agree with the posters who don't want to be associated with protests run by nutters and anti vaxxers. We need protests run by reasonable people with credibility but we have a leadership vacuum in that respect.

Think this could be a major issue, why not everyone is anti vaxxer you are automatically assumed to be one of them if you go to a protest that some of them appear as. Its not mainly over a vaccine its lockdown, business closures & other services (cancer appointments etc) being delayed for this

TefalBrain

Level 42 wrote: »

R number falling despite all the p1ss ups and euro matches .how contagious is this delta or is it all made up

BBC World news had an expert on yesterday that stated the virus is no more dangerous now than a common cold for unvaccintated under 40's. Hospital numbers in the UK have seen no surge or even risen that much in the last few weeks. He also added that although Delta is more transmissible it is it anything less dangerous than the original Covid strain of the virus.

Don't expect RTÉ to have views like that expressed on radio or TV under threat from their main revenue provider at present the government

Quags

TefalBrain wrote: »

BBC World news had an expert on yesterday that stated the virus is no more dangerous now than a common cold for unvaccintated under 40's. Hospital numbers in the UK have seen no surge or even risen that much in the last few weeks. He also added that although Delta is more transmissible it is it anything less dangerous than the original Covid strain of the virus.

Don't expect RTÉ to have views like that expressed on radio or TV under threat from their main revenue provider at present the government

They will have Claire Byrne on instead

JeffKenna

TefalBrain wrote: »

BBC World news had an expert on yesterday that stated the virus is no more dangerous now than a common cold for unvaccintated under 40's. Hospital numbers in the UK have seen no surge or even risen that much in the last few weeks. He also added that although Delta is more transmissible it is it anything less dangerous than the original Covid strain of the virus.

Don't expect RTÉ to have views like that expressed on radio or TV under threat from their main revenue provider at present the government

It's actually crazy the reporting RTE have. Main news headlines on radio one was about 50k cases in the UK. No word about hospitalisations or intensive care numbers.

ElTel

normanoffside wrote: »

That’s not correct.
The maps on this page show testing rates and positivity rates. We are middle of the road in testing.
Denmark for example is testing about 600,000 a day and has a similar population to us.
Most of the green countries test more than us and have their poisitivity rates below 1%

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/health/medical/rapid-covid-19-tests-are-highly-accurate-when-used-every-three-days/ar-AALFHpW?ocid=msedgdhp

Serial rapid testing eh?

TH doubled down yesterday with his we'll save all lives possible.
It's all about covering for the health service, being the envy of Europe for vaccine uptake and fcuk knows maybe reaching herd immunity without the need to vax kids...

He does not care about the costs and efforts to continue as is for a virus that is defanged/declawed because (I think) he planning for similar measures in this winter's flu season.

is_that_so

TefalBrain wrote: »

BBC World news had an expert on yesterday that stated the virus is no more dangerous now than a common cold for unvaccintated under 40's. Hospital numbers in the UK have seen no surge or even risen that much in the last few weeks. He also added that although Delta is more transmissible it is it anything less dangerous than the original Covid strain of the virus.

Don't expect RTÉ to have views like that expressed on radio or TV under threat from their main revenue provider at present the government

We'll need to see big numbers and few to no hospitalisations to prove that thesis. The trouble is that NPHET and all equivalent authorities work off the 5, 7 and 14 days rate of cases to make decisions and offer advice.

Ladylouth

namloc1980 wrote: »

Still shows admissions per day but curiously not discharges.

The hackers took the discharges and left the admissions!

namloc1980

JeffKenna wrote: »

It's actually crazy the reporting RTE have. Main news headlines on radio one was about 50k cases in the UK. No word about hospitalisations or intensive care numbers.

They know the game is up if they focus on how little impact there has been on hospitalisations/deaths in the UK despite case numbers going up in the UK since mid-May. Whereas big scary case numbers will keep the clicks coming and people tuning in.

timmyntc

is_that_so wrote: »

We'll need to see big numbers and few to no hospitalisations to prove that thesis. The trouble is that NPHET and all equivalent authorities work off the 5, 7 and 14 days rate of cases to make decisions and offer advice.

We already are seeing big case numbers there, hospitalisations are still very very low.
And overwhelmingly in over 40s anyways (who are vaccinated).
Young people, even while unvaccinated are at negligible risk from the virus.

Chivito550

Folks, RTE have been massively propped up by HSE ad revenue over the last year. There's a clear conflict of interest at play. Surprised many can't see this.

BBC doesn't receive ad revenue. There's the difference.

gozunda

MOH wrote: »

Yet in the timeframe that Delta went from 0% to 55% of our cases, our case numbers dropped by 45% to a six month low, our active cases dropped by about 16%, our hospital figures dropped significantly, our death rate hit an 8-month low.

Do you not see any contradiction in that?

Either everyone is wrong about the increased transmissibility (highly unlikely), NPHETs estimates of the current prevalence of Delta in Ireland is wrong (but sure they're infallible), or all our figures are unreliable to the point of uselessness.

Maybe there's another explanation, I'd welcome one because any of those are quite concerning.

Vaccinations are the most evident explanation why we're not seeing any noticeable rise in infections atm . But no that doesn't negate transmissibility.

And the fact is that case numbers unfortunately are not declining as has been expected



I would suggest that the six and 8 month lows you've given extend well beyond the period when Delta was first detected here - therefore using either as an reference point to Delta infections is somewhat incongruous

But no I do not believe that "everyone is wrong about the increased transmissibility" or "that the estimates of the current prevalence of Delta in Ireland is wrong , or all our figures are unreliable to the point of uselessness"

We know Delta has spread rapidly in the UK, a region we share an open border with. We also know we have active cases here. We also know that the detection of the new variant is ongoing.

This article gives a fairly good overview of how Delta was first tracked here.

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1230774/

lawrencesummers

is_that_so wrote: »

We'll need to see big numbers and few to no hospitalisations to prove that thesis. The trouble is that NPHET and all equivalent authorities work off the 5, 7 and 14 days rate of cases to make decisions and offer advice.

Those numbers exist in parts of the UK.

They won’t be allowed to exist here with the current restrictions.

Mullaghteelin

acequion wrote: »

And considering he was part and parcel of that toxic FF administration that ran this country over a cliff and caused almost a decade of economic carnage it really beggars belief that he is now Taoiseach and that he was comfortably voted back in every election since. "You get the Govt you deserve" is an unfortunate truism.

And I agree with the posters who don't want to be associated with protests run by nutters and anti vaxxers. We need protests run by reasonable people with credibility but we have a leadership vacuum in that respect.

It's incredibly depressing. I'd advise any bright young person to start looking into a future overseas.

You can guarantee there will be nutters and crazy people at ANY protest, so the media will focus on them and smear the other 99% of ordinary concerned citizens
Any "reasonable people" who get involved will suddenly find the entire government propaganda machine focusing on them, selectively editing their words and actions to undermine them.

suicide_circus

A change of rhetoric from our Aussie bretheren it seems;

https://mobile.twitter.com/10NewsFirstMelb/status/1410796394932105218

aidoh

bloopy wrote: »

Isn't the delta variant just the renamed indian variant?
What happened in India that their cases dropped so much?

Ivermectin.

facehugger99

JeffKenna wrote: »

It's actually crazy the reporting RTE have. Main news headlines on radio one was about 50k cases in the UK. No word about hospitalisations or intensive care numbers.

Top 5 stories on BBN News Website

• Forces to quit Afghanistan Base
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Top 3 Stories on RTE News Website

• Vaccine for Younger people
• India Covid death toll passes 400k
• Australia tighten borders to curb Virus

People are being played for fools in this country and there are many too stupid to even see it.

namloc1980

What difference does it make if case numbers in the UK are going up a lot but severe outcomes are not at all tracking the case numbers. Huge increase in case numbers since mid May in the UK with only a fraction of that increase seen in hospitalisation/ICU/deaths. Why are NPHET pointing to "look what's happening in the UK" while taking no account of the clear decoupling between cases and severe outcomes? The UK CMO has taken the view that they are now at the point where the risk is acceptable given wat the data is showing. We're still hiding under the bed and talking about hurricanes and doom and gloom coming and tuning into the daily case numbers nonsense.

suicide_circus

aidoh wrote: »

Ivermectin.

You can't say that!!!

jakiah

namloc1980 wrote: »

What difference does it make if case numbers in the UK are going up a lot but severe outcomes are not at all tracking the case numbers. Huge increase in case numbers since mid May in the UK with only a fraction of that increase seen in hospitalisation/ICU/deaths. Why are NPHET pointing to "look what's happening in the UK" while taking no account of the clear decoupling between cases and severe outcomes? The UK CMO has taken the view that they are now at the point where the risk is acceptable given wat the data is showing. We're still hiding under the bed and talking about hurricanes and doom and gloom coming and tuning into the daily case numbers nonsense.

Is there an argument here that preventing transmission is actually dragging out the impact of the virus? That the likes of the UK will reach herd immunity much quicker than we will because of our approach....