Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

323

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118446862#Comment_118446862

Or did they want to force you to take it in case someone else might get a headache, or did they want to wait 75 years to fully release the data on it to the public as the FDA and Pfizer want to do? Good luck to the judge in the USA who tossed that out.

Talk of vaccine mandates in Ireland now, (was that not out and out conspiracy theory just a few weeks ago?), not sure where that stands in law, forcing a drug which is still in Conditional Marketing Authorization on people. Relaxation of Restrictions, LOL, wake up folks, many more to come.

BuildTheWall

Why is the pub closing time not under review? Everyone agrees it’s one of the stupidest, nonsensical restrictions ever, right up there with 9 euro meal.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450891#Comment_118450891

Ridiculous case numbers say No to that and it was never going to be reviewed now, but the end of the month might be different.

CruelSummer

The skeptic in me thinks this little mandatory vaccination bomb launched by journalists this morning has a goal - get people to accept further boosters and certs / passes to be able to do normal day to day societal activities. After the Omicron outbreak, there should be no further Covid passes, their uses will be obsolete. If they insist on keeping them, include testing as an option at the very least going forward.

I cannot understand at this stage of the pandemic why the vaccination strategy remains the only one. There is a way out here on a plate for Governments - people have been exposed to a mild variant. Many of the population, especially those at risk are vaccinated and many boosted including vulnerable and older. There are therapeutics now coming on stream. It is time to change tactics and exit the emergency phase of Covid. They should do a population sample test for antibodies, they did one back in the Summer of 2020 here and heavily publicised how little of the population had been exposed to the original strain. It would be interesting to see how many of the population have antibodies to Covid at this stage. The U.K. did a sample this year & found a high coverage across their population & dropped all restrictions accordingly. Instead the Government & journalists here keep tweeting about how ‘easy’ it is to get the updated Covid Booster Pass.

muddypuppy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450891#Comment_118450891

Because Tony doesn't like people drinking.

ElTel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450759#Comment_118450759

We need to "zoom out"

The real question is/has always been, whether we should/continue to, curb the spread of this pox at all.

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118451040#Comment_118451040

Whats his issue with cinemas do you know?

deholleboom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450810#Comment_118450810

The issue is with the header of the article. Clickbait. Is there even such a thing as a news editor? Or are they pushing clicks no matter what?

The supposition might be mine but only a fool would call that 'stretching' as MM himself states the context. I am not inventing anything and we have been here before. The only thing i am speculating about atm is whether he will leave all the mandatory vaccinations up to employers like the HSE and customs, state bodies etc. like they had in the US before the suprime court shot it down. The booster system and QR codes are already implemented into the Covid cert and will be a de facto mandatory system rolled out in a broad way to circumvent legal matters. In France you cannot get on a train without a vaccination nor into a restaurant. All you need to do is make it an entry requirement and punish those who ignore it. That is where this might be heading..is that stretching the matter or is it a likely scenario? You tell me..

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450493#Comment_118450493

The fear has been gone for a long long time, worth noting that nobody fears the flu either and that vaccine always gets huge take-up, not as much as COVID admittedly

bucketybuck

I'd say its reassuring to hear Martin say he favours voluntary vaccination, but it does beg the question, if that is his preference then why not flatly state that mandatory vaccinations will not be happening on his watch? Its his decision after all, he doesn't need to sugar coat it.

We know the reason of course, he is an indecisive man who is easily led and couches everything in disclaimers, but it is not the strong response such a suggestion requires.

I absolutely do not believe the matter ends there. Covid passports and manadatory vaccinations are part of the same playbook, a number of the big european countries are pushing mandatory vaccination, there is plenty of smoke there. Will it fizzle out? Possibly. But I doubt this is the last time we will hear the word "mandatory".

Spanish Eyes

Mandatory Covid vaccination will never happen here. If by chance it does, then childhood vaccinations for MMR, meningitis, etc. could not remain voluntary either. Slippery slope.

Even those in favour of vaccination including myself would be horrified at compulsory vaccination now or ever. It will just lead to a lot of civil unrest and who needs that?

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450603#Comment_118450603

When other countries opened hospitality they kept the old opening hours, we are the only ones who were different in that regard, and arguably it's not worked in our favour

Zebra3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118451095#Comment_118451095

Power buzz.

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450954#Comment_118450954

Yes, it's a "nudge", in the behavioural science vernacular.

Tell people X thing might happen, then they feel relief when Y thing happens, which is still a restriction, instead of the outpouring of anger there would otherwise be.

"Thank god they're not doing mandatory vaccine, I find that unethical" instead of "WTF, they said the booster wouldn't be required on the domestic cert" or "WTF they said hospitality certs were for a few weeks, three months ago" etc.

bloopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450679#Comment_118450679

Plus it caused so much division and riots in the UK that they eventually had to allow for exemptions.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450891#Comment_118450891

The 9 euro meal stopped people doing pub crawls, it was very effective pre-vaccination, this 8pm rule though makes zero sense although Micheal Martin says it's working to curb the spread of COVID, as he stands over 20k recorded cases a day and maybe another 40k unrecorded

BuildTheWall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118451410#Comment_118451410

Not really people were just getting 9 euro worth of chicken wings between themselves in every pub, but I suppose NPHET could say hop on one foot before you go into the pub and people would say it’s a fantastic restriction.

AlekSmart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118451041#Comment_118451041

One positive recent development,post Omicron,is a reawakening of the confidence to Question.

Even if it is,as yet struggling to gain ground,the reality is the Genie is now out of the bottle,and the charlatans will struggle to put the cork back in !

https://unherd.com/2022/01/has-the-great-barrington-declaration-been-vindicated/

Meanwhile in the US, the end of 2021 confirmed the reality that lockdown strategies had little or no impact on Covid mortality. The two neighbouring states of Michigan and Wisconsin followed very different Covid policies, with Michigan favouring severe restrictions while Wisconsin lifted them much earlier; yet at the start of this month, Michigan’s Covid mortality rate was far higher than Wisconsin’s, at 2,906 deaths per million compared to 1,919 per million in Wisconsin. Another stark example comes from comparing two other neighbouring states: North and South Dakota. South Dakota infamously imposed no Covid restrictions, while there were mask mandates in North Dakota during the second wave in Winter 2020/2021: yet as of January 1st 2022, the two states’ death rates are very similar, at 2,810 per million (South Dakota) and 2,640 (North Dakota).

It is time for the Left to look reality in the face and take stock of the fact that the prevailing Covid response of most Western governments has been an abysmal failure on all fronts —not least that of “saving lives”. An alternative approach is desperately needed. Fortunately, and tragically, it’s been hiding in plain sight all this time.

Amen to that !!! 😁

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118451448#Comment_118451448

Maybe in the pubs you were going to, I can't say I saw that myself, I saw some pubs were doing €9 lite bite with free pint deals but not every pub as you suggest.

I think the peoples response to the 8pm closing or the 5pm suggestion would suggest you're wrong about a potential hopping on one foot restriction

PTH2009

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118451448#Comment_118451448

Places that would wrap up your food for ya were great

MOH

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-hospital-numbers-surpass-1-000-for-first-time-since-february-1.4772872

Paul Reid: “Our ICU cases haven’t risen, they have remained stable. We will see what this looks like in a week’s time,” he said.

ICU Cases Jan 9th: 82

ICU Cases Dec 9th: 115

So a 29% decrease over the past month is "remaining stable"?

PTH2009

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118451520#Comment_118451520

Arse covering at its finest

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118451520#Comment_118451520

Hospitals up today by almost 80, I recon it's due to the weekend effect so hoping to see a decrease tomorrow

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450974#Comment_118450974

Both those topics were openly talked about without mod input.

When posters started claiming that the reason for them was for a new world order or population control, it got moved over to the CT forum.

Derkaiser93

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448226#Comment_118448226

That's not a silly question at all. Historically side effects from vaccines if any crop up within the first couple of months. They hardly ever suddenly just appear long after. And as well as previously mentioned mrna technology has been trialed and researched for over a decade. The likes of AZ etc used similar technology to the flu vaccine. But of course they still monitor the effects long after and are doing so right now.

Why the vaccines tend to wane quickly is similar to why natural immunity also wanes after a similar period. Its to do with the coronavirus itself rather than any vaccines. Our antibodies just don't remember and keep producing antibodies for coronaviruses for long. Thankfully our T cells which protect against severe disease do a much better job of that though.

growleaves

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judge-issues-stay-against-vaccine-mandate-for-navy-seals-seeking-religious-exemption

Vax mandate for Navy Seals stalled

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118451190#Comment_118451190

...but what are you actually doing to stop your liberties being erased one by one? Just bitching about it on Boards...or actually doing something? Anything?

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118452077#Comment_118452077

Why do you keep asking such a stupid, inane question?

Do you really think I am going to give you personal information about myself? Would I really think you would actually believe me even if I told you?

And most importantly, why on earth would it be relevant either way?

You should stick to harassing people about using the word "lockdown" wrong.

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118452104#Comment_118452104

Where did that poster ask you for personal information?

The politely asked is it just this echo chamber here that you continue to vent day and night or have you done anything else like contacting politicians to have your voice heard?

Also what liberties are being erased one by one?

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118452104#Comment_118452104

Why? Because you continually post shíte like this - "No chance. The Irish have already shown that they will do what they are told, and will happily sit there while their liberties are stripped away one by one.

Especially with the high voluntary vaccination rate, so many people will think that this doesn't really affect them and so won't bother to raise an outcry. It only affects those dirty unvaccinated will be the narrative.

The fact that there is already huge government overreach in front of their very faces didn't stir the Irish, neither will this."

So, it's a valid question to ask of you. If you're actually doing nothing about it, as I suspect, you're just as bad as all those people you denigrate on here.