Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118472442#Comment_118472442

3years?

I'm the same as yourself missing the gigs. Tbf I got out to lots in 2021 and it was great. But seems so strange that in November I was at packed venues with Delta, yet here we are in January with Omicron and just seeing things being cancelled again. And not just in Ireland. And this seems to be with a positive outlook regarding Omicron from all.

Dempo1

So a lot to digest with recent developments.

I said earlier I was a little perplexed at this notion of people being asked to upload antigen test results and close contact details .

Clearly now its been confirmed that by doing so is just a public health exercise and basically glosses over the collapse of the PCR testing system , why I wonder does the CMO of government think people will bother their arses.

More intriguing, is its also been confirmed people will need an official , confirmed PCR or antigen test to get a covid recovery cert and of course at their expense, this doesn't include the cost of a GP issuing said certs.

Then we have "Reassuring " news of reducing cases 😳, so this then leads to my next question.

How the feck does the CMO actually know this , there's very little PCR testing occuring, by all accounts, this new system for uploading positive antigen tests has only gone live and as I've said, who is going to bother their arse using it.

Perhaps I'm completely wrong but this turn of events , utterly bizzare .

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118472539#Comment_118472539

What's my agenda?

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118472422#Comment_118472422

I was busy enough trying to keep people right about different words such as lockdown and curfew and eradicating and destroying that I didn't need to add gaslighting to the list...

Dempo1

Ronan Glynn joining Scare Byrne for a chat now 🤔

Quags

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118471436#Comment_118471436

I like those rules 😂

deholleboom

For all you chronic back and forth posters pretending to be in some sort of court, attacking and defending with whatever argument you think will put you in a winning position: in the end there is NO JUDGE. There will be no reckoning, no end result, no system to determine who won or lost. You are simply doing this for your own gratification. You are helping no one and annoying many. So: stop doing that, please.

Caveat: i only come across posts in quoted form now but they indicate what i highlighted.I have many on 'ignore' and those grey posts are filling up my screen more and more.🙄

Quags

Uk dropping there certs soon

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10400971/Sajid-Javid-scrap-Covid-passes-fortnight.html

noraos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118472947#Comment_118472947

This is great to see!!, and Wales too have jumped on board with this, after slamming England and their approach.. this is such positive news to see. Really hope this rolls out here too..

''There was always a very high threshold for the policy and it looks increasingly likely in a couple of weeks that threshold won't be met. The way cases are going it will be hard to justify renewing'' I found this interesting. I think we would all love to know what parameters/ justifications they had to implement many of the restrictions.

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118472947#Comment_118472947

They now need to reverse out of their utterly shameful decision to fire care and NHS workers who are unvaccinated.

This is not an anti vaxx post.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118472786#Comment_118472786

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and to debate their points however they see fit. There are no judges yet here you are, judging. Stop doing that please. (See how this works?)

BuildTheWall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118472525#Comment_118472525

He should have just bought tickets to the ones that didn’t get postponed then he would have been fine.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118473204#Comment_118473204

This wasn't as clever as you think it was the first time you did it. Less so now.

Quags

Are we starting to slowly wakeup?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/most-patients-with-covid-19-have-no-viral-symptoms-review-finds-1.4776322

Vicxas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118473297#Comment_118473297

Someone put a tweet in earlier saying people with Omnicron needing a ventilator is 0

celt262

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118473297#Comment_118473297

If they have no symptoms what are they doing in hospital?

Are they just people in with other health problems who just happen to be covid positive?

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118473344#Comment_118473344

Yes but omicron8+ could be much more deadly - thankfully it only does the rounds after 8pm

A Shaved Duck?

42% of people on ventilators are unvaccinated, at what point do the government look at these numbers objectively and start rowing back on the restrictions.

At what point do the 95% of the population stop being punished for a group of people that get their medical expertise from facebook.

TalleyRand83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118473113#Comment_118473113

There is plenty of "Wales" here and a few "Englands". Watch the tone changing, I can already see it over the last few days.

The "eh 30% maybe aren't being treated for Covid" by Tony was probably the first gulp moment!

Vicxas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118473478#Comment_118473478

Did you mean Omnicron Persei 8?

bucketybuck

"Just 191 of Covid-positive patients (42 per cent) had symptoms of the disease at presentation."

Can somebody set me straight here, is the obvious implication here that these people are in hospital for other reasons? Because obviously if they have no symptoms then they are not presenting at hospital for covid.

Because that is not Tonys 5%, and its not Leo's 30%, that is 58% incidental cases?

noraos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118473557#Comment_118473557

It could also be argued that they had a headache and went to hospital for something else aswell.. so they may be also incidental and.. its only says they have symptoms, not that they presented with severe Covid symptoms that required hospitalization.

BuildTheWall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118473453#Comment_118473453

First it was about protecting people from a pandemic, now it’s about protecting a pandemic from people.

Quags

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118473618#Comment_118473618

This is my thinking behind it. Went in the A&E with one thing and the covid test found them positive

normanoffside

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118473453#Comment_118473453

Yes, they test everyone going into Hospital whether they have symptoms of covid or not.

A PCR test can detect covid for up to 3 months after recovery.

It's no wonder that with Omicron having been so prevalent that there are a large amount of incidental admissions.

Us conspiracy theorists have been saying this and asking for a breakdown in hospital cases 'with' and 'for' covid for almost 22 months now. Another good day to have been a conspiracy theorist all along.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118473640#Comment_118473640

This is true, something to bear in mind though is that if you're not feeling yourself you're more suspect to injuries. In saying that these people are not in hospital to be treated for COVID which I think is the key point

ICU took a drop of 9 and general hospitals were up 12 yesterday (today's figures) I do feel for these people but I'd question if our restrictions are really helping the situation

choronzonix

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118472525#Comment_118472525

I don't see culture as solely about gigs either, and i'm aware that there were gigs and events that have gone on as planned. My point is that your claim that cultural production is 'ticking along' in this country is just demonstrably incorrect - music, theatre, pantos, etc have continued to be hugely affected by restrictions that have been unreasonable for a long time. I have many friends working in these industries and the ones who haven't just decided to move into other fields of work are completely demoralised and depressed at how their work and artistic expression has been looked at as so 'inessential' to so many people.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118473640#Comment_118473640

Something that had been questioned and called out for well over a year now on this thread, yet now we have the theatre of "official" Ireland and the mainstream media outlets like RTE discovering this in the last week or so. It's the same way I've been saying for 18 months now that cases mean nothing, it's the OUTCOME of those cases that is the real metric.

You can be sure this was known before now (and if it wasn't, then the level of HSE/NPHET incompetence has hit a new bar).

Covid has been a political issue for at least the last 6 months. My thinking is that someone realised how much damage has been done and money wasted for something that - surprise, surprise - isn't actually that dangerous to the vast majority of people in the country. But of course you can't come out and say that when people's business and jobs are closed, and billions have been spent telling healthy people to get tested and vaccinated "just in case".

In other words, the last 6 months (possibly longer) have been about justifying those sunk costs so that now, when the bill comes due shortly, the increased taxes and charges will be similarly justified by all we've "achieved".

darconio

it's been now more than half a year that they justify any restriction with the fact than 50% of the people in hospital are unvaccinated: did they ever interview any of these unvaccinated or asked if they regret not following "the science"? All I have seen are paid actors in some bbc footage warning people to get their doses. Surely some of them got out of hospital eventually, unless we are talking about the same unvaccinated in icu since july/august : they could enlighten the world on the methods used to cure their viral infection perhaps? In italy they finally opened the pandora's box and admitted that they are and were counting patients with 2 jabs as unvaccinated, but I'm sure it was just a negligible mistake.

Archeron

So Tony holohan and his 5% number

And that other hse exec who said they didn't even have a number just less than two weeks ago on national radio.

Lies or incompetence? Or deliberate misinformation? Probably an unhealthy mix of all three. These are the people we are supposed to trust?