Electric Oven Plug or No Plug

Lenar3556

I think there is potential to invite hassle when making a warranty claim if you have cut off a moulded plug. Particularly if the issue is intermittent or disputed in any way.

I would agree that taking such action in itself shouldn’t have any bearing on a consumers statutory rights. But it may be questioned by an awkward supplier and you may need to invest considerably more effort than you would otherwise to get the thing resolved.

On balance, personally I think I would favour spur feeding trailing socket - is that still permitted? (Particularly in the case of washing machines / tumble driers.)

Would you still see applicances sold in Ireland with a two pin plug?

Henry...

Lenar3556 wrote: »

I think there is potential to invite hassle when making a warranty claim if you have cut off a moulded plug. Particularly if the issue is intermittent or disputed in any way.

I would agree that taking such action in itself shouldn’t have any bearing on a consumers statutory rights. But it may be questioned by an awkward supplier and you may need to invest considerably more effort than you would otherwise to get the thing resolved.

On balance, personally I think I would favour spur feeding trailing socket - is that still permitted? (Particularly in the case of washing machines / tumble driers.)

Would you still see applicances sold in Ireland with a two pin plug?

Would be mostly 20amp radials so no fused spur there ,just an isolator and socket

Lenar3556

Henry... wrote: »

Would be mostly 20amp radials so no fused spur there ,just an isolator and socket

And trailing rather than a fixed socket would be ok?

Henry...

Lenar3556 wrote: »

And trailing rather than a fixed socket would be ok?

Never tried that one , would be more DIY option imo

Henry...

Try to mount the socket and plug to one side so it's accessible is they way I did them

Lenar3556

Henry... wrote: »

Never tried that one , would be more DIY option imo

I used to see a single trailing socket wired from the isolator and allowed rest under the kick board - it provided good flexibility and length when fitting and removing applicances.

Henry...

2011 wrote: »

I think there is an allowance for IT equipment in limited circumstances, I don't believe there is anything to cover off the situation you are describing.

There's a couple of rules in et101 anyway

IT equipment obviously preferable not to have Rcd in a lot of cases, may require non standard sockets if accessible and a warning notice

The other 1 is isolation of fixed equipment but they reference motors and fluorescents so I don't think it's intended for large appliances

You might be able to quote that in the context of an inaccessible oven socket, doubt it's applicable though

Henry...

They're coming in for the whole domestic board so wont make much difference long term anyway

2011

Henry... wrote: »

There's a couple of rules in et101 anyway

As I am sure you know ET101 no longer applies.

Henry...

2011 wrote: »

As I am sure you know ET101 no longer applies.

Hardly be much change though there

They're standard sort of rules for when you don't need an rcd

wex96

back to your original post..
if there is a plug on it or manual states 13a fuse you nees an FCU(fused connection unit) also known as a fused spur and a back box. most single oven 2.99kw and under require a fuse.

fyi
I used to be an installer for currys

Henry...

wex96 wrote: »

back to your original post..
if there is a plug on it or manual states 13a fuse you nees an FCU(fused connection unit) also known as a fused spur and a back box. most single oven 2.99kw and under require a fuse.

fyi
I used to be an installer for currys

If there is no plug on it and manual states 13amp fuse you need the fcu

Do they go as high as 3kw ovens on a 13anp fuse, though it was more like 2.5

Could be out there

2011

Henry... wrote: »

Hardly be much change though there

They're standard sort of rules for when you don't need an rcd

I wouldn’t be so sure.
There are significant changes between ET101 and IS10101.
I will take a look when I get a chance.

wex96

Henry... wrote: »

If there is no plug on it and manual states 13amp fuse you need the fcu

Do they go as high as 3kw ovens on a 13anp fuse, though it was more like 2.5

Could be out there

Mostly 2.99kw or less, have seen Hisense above 3kw needing fcu

Lenar3556

It’s getting more common to see them above 3KW with rapid heating and high temperature cleaning cycles.

I wouldn’t use an appliance like that with a Irish 13amp fused plug. It should be hardwired to an isolator.

There are significant differences between CEE 7/X (Schuko) continental plugs and Irish / British ones (BS1363)

1. They are 16 amp rather than 13 amp
2. They have a recessed design (socket face is stepped back into the faceplate) This prevents finger contact as you’re inserting the plug, and that allows for unsheathed pins and much bigger contact surface areas. In contrast, Irish / U.K. plugs only make contact at the pin tips as there’s a risk to fingers otherwise.
3. The fuse carrier assembly in Irish / British plugs is often just a bent spring. If the plug isn’t assembled very accurately when wired, the fuse can make poor contact and get hot. Schuko is simpler, and has no fuse.

Thats why you can safely use a Schuko (or French) plug & socket with heavier appliances much more reliably. They’re genuinely much more robust as a connector.

Risteard81

If it was suitable for use with a plug top it would be supplied with a moulded plug fitted as this is a legal requirement for the UK market which it would also be aimed at.

Also a plug top should not be fitted with 2.5mm^2 flex - the maximum permitted by standards is 1.5mm^2 - anything larger is beyond the design parameters.