Soldier F

Stovepipe

ec18 wrote: »

It wasn't a foreign army in a different jurisdiction. It was a domestic army in their own jurisdiction. This has nothing to do with the Irish government as the crime was not committed inside the republics jurisdiction.

I couldn't agree more. It has nothing to do with 2021 Ireland because it happened somewhere else (the UK),to people who were technically their own citizens. Not our problem then,not our problem now.

steddyeddy

Allinall wrote: »

Anything goes in a war/ conflict situation, as SF-IRA say.

And it seems you agree with them.

johnsae2231

Stovepipe wrote: »

I couldn't agree more. It has nothing to do with 2021 Ireland because it happened somewhere else (the UK),to people who were technically their own citizens. Not our problem then,not our problem now.

Absolute rubbish, sad to think there are many privileged snobs like this still around with attitudes like that.

Back then all of Ireland was claimed by the republic of Ireland, which in effect made us occupied, innocent Irish teenagers killed in occupied territory by a foreign army.

How could you say it has nothing do with the Irish government you clearly have no idea how big a deal bloody Sunday was in the republic, the 26 counties came to standstill for days the biggest protests in europe since WW2 were going on.

RoyalCelt

[Deleted User] wrote: »

the case againest him has collasped today......a self-admitted killer of multiple 100% innocent people,who sails into the sunset,keeps his medels


They followed the nazis to ends of the earth for justice and let killers of irish people off free....irish government serious needs to fund a wiesenthal type character to persue justice here

History is controlled by the Victor. If the Nazis didn't fall do you think they'd be all prosecuted? The Brits haven't fallen and are held accountable by themselves.

steddyeddy

RoyalCelt wrote: »

History is controlled by the Victor. If the Nazis didn't fall do you think they'd be all prosecuted? The Brits haven't fallen and are held accountable by themselves.

That's certainly an arguable point. They were in the EU, however, now they have chosen to compete with the EU. There's no way they'll end having the same sort of international clout after this.

johnsae2231

RoyalCelt wrote: »

History is controlled by the Victor. If the Nazis didn't fall do you think they'd be all prosecuted? The Brits haven't fallen and are held accountable by themselves.

They have not fallen, but they are falling.

An Claidheamh

Muahahaha wrote: »

Anyone know if thats the end of the case or do the families have a route into a European court like the Haugue or ECHR?

The Hague is where it should have been in the first place, any explanation as to why Serbian army officers were tried there and not British?

If the families wished, they could easily get donations to pursue this there (same with Ballymurphy) and possibly shame the Irish government into helping.

If this apparent trial is over, then the "soldiers" should be named and shamed

An Claidheamh

Allinall wrote: »

Anything goes in a war/ conflict situation, as SF-IRA say.

Funny, the Brits and FFG all of a sudden regard the IRA as combatants after decades of refusing to recognise them as such

FYI, it was actually the Labour Party- Official IRA who bombed the Brits first after Bloody Sunday

Feisar

I got roasted for my opinion on this here a good while back but maybe I didn’t articulate myself well enough.
Here goes again!

If you give a man a gun and send him into a hostile environment, guess what he’ll use the tool he’s given. If someone was rioting against me and I’ve a gun, they’re going to be catching lead.
Paras are trained psychopaths so amplify that by 10.
Military are not and should not be attempted to be utilised as police.
It’s not soldier F that needs to answer, he done as he was trained, it’s the cùnts that put him there that need to atone.

An Claidheamh

John Mercer British MP claimed the British army were sent to NI to stop a "civil war", same excuse used by Hitler when he annexed Austria and the Soviets when they occupied Eastern and Central Europe

Imperialists gonna Imp

An Claidheamh

Soldier F is named as Dave ****

https://villagemagazine.ie/soldier-f-the-cold-blooded-bloody-sunday-murderer-is-named/

No reason for Irish media not to name all of them

Fat chance though

Tyrone212

Stovepipe wrote: »

Well, if the Irish govt is washing its hands of hundreds of dead babies and is prepared to turn a blind eye to other scandals,why would or should it go out of its way to chase down a single member of a foreign army in another jurisdiction? They could equally turn their energies to pursuing former IRA/INLA killers,many of whom are entirely at liberty in the Republic. Where do you draw the line about who is an acceptable target of legal scrutiny?

Nice dose of whataboutery there. Sure what's the point in convicting tomorrow's killers when there's still murderers at large. I don't remember the Irish army going in and shooting a 15 year old in the head twice and then covering it up and playing the victim. Disgusting comment. An uppity clueless comment if ever there was one.

Greyfox

Feisar wrote: »

If you give a man a gun and send him into a hostile environment, guess what he’ll use the tool he’s given. If someone was rioting against me and I’ve a gun, they’re going to be catching lead.

Your trying to justify murder, killing a protester who doesnt have a dangerous weapon is NEVER ok. If you were a soldier in a warzone and you see a small child with no weapon would it be ok to shoot them?

johnsae2231

Greyfox wrote: »

Your trying to justify murder, killing a protester who doesnt have a dangerous weapon is NEVER ok. If you were a soldier in a warzone and you see a small child with no weapon would it be ok to shoot them?

According to himself, if the small child threw a couple of stones he would be left with no choice.

johnsae2231

Allinall wrote: »

Anything goes in a war/ conflict situation, as SF-IRA say.

Although they never actually said that did they, that's something you heard from Eoghan Harris and continue to believe to this day.

Fuascailteoir

Feisar wrote: »

I got roasted for my opinion on this here a good while back but maybe I didn’t articulate myself well enough.
Here goes again!

If you give a man a gun and send him into a hostile environment, guess what he’ll use the tool he’s given. If someone was rioting against me and I’ve a gun, they’re going to be catching lead.
Paras are trained psychopaths so amplify that by 10.
Military are not and should not be attempted to be utilised as police.
It’s not soldier F that needs to answer, he done as he was trained, it’s the cùnts that put him there that need to atone.

Pathetic justification for murder of innocent people

FrancieBrady

Feisar wrote: »

It’s not soldier F that needs to answer, he done as he was trained, it’s the cùnts that put him there that need to atone.

They all should stand trial. You should also include all those who conspired to whitewash and cover it up.

It is the only way the British government gets it integrity back. They have conspired here to kick this ball down the years until we reached this point.

mikethecop

is this covered by the gfa ?

lot of people going to jail and back to jail on both sides of that goes pop

sf would take a big hit

tdf7187

To those posters who spend all their time on boards.ie ranting about Sinn Fein, given that we now have a de-facto amnesty for British soldiers regarding the Troubles, do you support an amnesty for republicans?

Sauce for the goose is after all fit for the gander.

As a republican with no allegiance to SF or another party, I personally do not support the prosecution of individual low level combatants. I believe it lets the higher ups off the hook. I would certainly support the prosecutions of Ted Heath and Merlyn Rees, were they still alive.

tdf7187

mikethecop wrote: »

is this covered by the gfa ?

lot of people going to jail and back to jail on both sides of that goes pop

sf would take a big hit

It benefits dissidents, pure and simple. The mainstream media and establishment in the UK and Ireland should be careful what they wish for.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They all should stand trial. You should also include all those who conspired to whitewash and cover it up.

It is the only way the British government gets it integrity back. They have conspired here to kick this ball down the years until we reached this point.

I think Coveney has it right. Anyone who committed a crime should stand trial, no amnesty. That applies to all, I hope you agree.

If there wasn't a crime, no trial.

Feisar

Greyfox wrote: »

Your trying to justify murder, killing a protester who doesnt have a dangerous weapon is NEVER ok. If you were a soldier in a warzone and you see a small child with no weapon would it be ok to shoot them?

Child? What are you on about?

I’ve my own moral compass which wouldn’t align with killing someone unless necessary however throwing bricks and stones at trained killers with guns? That’s just looking to collect a Darwin Award.

The Paratroopers, hardy fùckers that probably seen action, shooting someone isn’t that big a deal to them. Narrow Water is how you deal with them, throwing stones at a killer with a gun is retarded.

Anyway, you ignored the crux of my post, it’s the cùnts that put them there that are to blame. Soldiers are not police.

Feisar

johnsae2231 wrote: »

According to himself, if the small child threw a couple of stones he would be left with no choice.

God that’s the post of an awful tit.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

I think Coveney has it right. Anyone who committed a crime should stand trial, no amnesty. That applies to all, I hope you agree.

If there wasn't a crime, no trial.

'State crime' is a much more serious crime against democracy in my opinion.
If what Loyalist and Republicans did was a crime then so also were the crimes of their colluders.
If the State was involved, that is a whole higher level of infamy and attack on democracy.
But the 'State' has managed to walk away here after over 40 years to address what happened. How that happened is a crime in itself.
Thankfully the Bloody Sunday victims are a resilient group and they will fight on.

Odhinn

Feisar wrote: »

Child? What are you on about?

I’ve my own moral compass which wouldn’t align with killing someone unless necessary however throwing bricks and stones at trained killers with guns? That’s just looking to collect a Darwin Award.

The Paratroopers, hardy fùckers that probably seen action, shooting someone isn’t that big a deal to them. Narrow Water is how you deal with them, throwing stones at a killer with a gun is retarded.

Anyway, you ignored the crux of my post, it’s the cùnts that put them there that are to blame. Soldiers are not police.

For the colonys in Africa, the middle east and asia soldiers frequently acted as 'police'. though in a way that thoroughly discredits the title.

Feisar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They all should stand trial. You should also include all those who conspired to whitewash and cover it up.

It is the only way the British government gets it integrity back. They have conspired here to kick this ball down the years until we reached this point.

British government, integrity? Those words are not congruent.
The phrase Perfidious Albion didn’t come about for no reason.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'State crime' is a much more serious crime against democracy in my opinion.
If what Loyalist and Republicans did was a crime then so also were the crimes of their colluders.
If the State was involved, that is a whole higher level of infamy and attack on democracy.
But the 'State' has managed to walk away here after over 40 years to address what happened. How that happened is a crime in itself.
Thankfully the Bloody Sunday victims are a resilient group and they will fight on.

So now you are the one ranking victims, despite crying and whinging about it for years.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

So now you are the one ranking victims, despite crying and whinging about it for years.

No, I am ranking crimes blanch.

Feisar

Odhinn wrote: »

For the colonys in Africa, the middle east and asia soldiers frequently acted as 'police'. though in a way that thoroughly discredits the title.

Sorry, I don’t know if you are agreeing with me or not!

Odhinn

Feisar wrote: »

Sorry, I don’t know if you are agreeing with me or not!

Agreeing, while pointing out that soldiers were routinely used as police throughout the Empire.