Tour de France Stage 9: Cluses - Tignes (145km)

ednwireland

Mefistofelino wrote: »

"Zwift . Where fun is fast."

But Geraint is not fast. Therefore Geraint is not fun?

correct

retalivity

Bryan Coquard, Loïc Vliegen, Arnaud Démare, Jacopo Guarnieri, Stefan De Bod, Nic Dlamini, Anthony Delaplace all outside time limit

Edit: apparently dlamini is still on the course, well over an hour after O'Connor has finished! Poor guy crashed earlier, been alone for the whole day

https://twitter.com/richardmoore73/status/1411731947928313863

Inquitus

Hard to comment without falling foul of the rules, genuine Chapeau to Ben O'Connor though!

Inquitus

ednwireland wrote: »

1.5 minutes inside the time limit for cav looked spent. hows he going to do twice up the ventoux ?

edit : demare misses the time cut

There's always the having 40+ riders OTL in the Grupetto trick to avoid the DQ.

mloc123

I know Froome had the accident and leg break etc... But how has he declined to the point of rolling in over 30 minutes down on the stage winner?

ednwireland

mloc123 wrote: »

I know Froome had the accident and leg break etc... But how has he declined to the point of rolling in over 30 minutes down on the stage winner?

think hes just looking at the pay cheque

Raymzor

mloc123 wrote: »

I know Froome had the accident and leg break etc... But how has he declined to the point of rolling in over 30 minutes down on the stage winner?

Maybe Bilharzie is back?

Macy0161

Inquitus wrote: »

There's always the having 40+ riders OTL in the Grupetto trick to avoid the DQ.

Yes, but probably with points deducted.

Doc07

mloc123 wrote: »

I know Froome had the accident and leg break etc... But how has he declined to the point of rolling in over 30 minutes down on the stage winner?

Maybe it was unrealistic expectation. Apart from Greg le Monde (who was still very young) I wonder has any other GT winner ever come back to the very top level from such serious injury.

Inquitus

Macy0161 wrote: »

Yes, but probably with points deducted.

Indeed it's usually a nominal(ish) Green Points deduction. In 2011 Cav got docked 20 Green Jersey points for being OTL along with 87 other riders on the Galibier Stage 18.

https://www.velonews.com/events/tour-de-france/time-cut-penalty-puts-rojas-back-into-green-jersey-battle/

odyssey06

mloc123 wrote: »

I know Froome had the accident and leg break etc... But how has he declined to the point of rolling in over 30 minutes down on the stage winner?

I think ISN are going for name recognition rather than current ability.

It's a strange team...
Michael Woods is officially their 'GC hope' but he only has one GC Top 10 from the Vuelta in 2017.

Am I missing something?

breezy1985

Mefistofelino wrote: »

"Zwift . Where fun is fast."

But Geraint is not fast. Therefore Geraint is not fun?

He looks like the kind of guy who thinks he is a mad laugh though. Bit like Wiggins

breezy1985

Inquitus wrote: »

Indeed it's usually a nominal(ish) Green Points deduction. In 2011 Cav got docked 20 Green Jersey points for being OTL along with 87 other riders on the Galibier Stage 18.

https://www.velonews.com/events/tour-de-france/time-cut-penalty-puts-rojas-back-into-green-jersey-battle/

That year half the peleton would have been gone so it was different and an exception was made. Different when it is just a few riders.

I think Bahrain are gonna try drill it like Bora did last year on a stage or two. I hope not though as I rather the green jersey being won by the rider 1st over the line not over the mountains

Inquitus

breezy1985 wrote: »

That year half the peleton would have been gone so it was different and an exception was made. Different when it is just a few riders

Aye if you read above my whole point, in various posts, it is that if the Ventoux stage is like that, the riders will likely game the system in that very way, it's been done a lot more than just the once!

breezy1985

Inquitus wrote: »

Aye if you read above my whole point, in various posts, it is that if the Ventoux stage is like that, the riders will likely game the system in that very way, it's been done a lot more than just the once!

Ah fair enough. Its a dangerous game to play though but one card Cavendish has is to make sure Ala is with him. TdF won't kick Ala out of the tour if they can find any little excuse

I'm thinking it's happened more recently than 2011 that a large number were OTL and they had to bend the rules. 2015 or 16 maybe?

retalivity

breezy1985 wrote: »

That year half the peleton would have been gone so it was different and an exception was made. Different when it is just a few riders.

I think Bahrain are gonna try drill it like Bora did last year on a stage or two. I hope not though as I rather the green jersey being won by the rider 1st over the line not over the mountains

Is sagan even attempting for the green jersey this year? Only time ive seen him is when he crashed with ewan.

Merlier, Coquard, Demare all gone. Only green jersey contenders are cav, matthews, colbrelli, maybe bouhanni, sagan and pog

Inquitus

retalivity wrote: »

Is sagan even attempting for the green jersey this year? Only time ive seen him is when he crashed with ewan.

Merlier, Coquard, Demare all gone. Only green jersey contenders are cav, matthews, colbrelli, maybe bouhanni, sagan and pog

I think there are simply too many straight forward sprinters stages for Sagan to mount a real challenge this year, and he doesn't seem able to regularly place in the top 3-5 even on those stages. We shall see.

Macy0161

I've always had it that it is part of the logic of the grupetto - stick together to attempt to make the time limit, if they don't make it, there's too many to kick out.

2016 Vuelta there were 70 off outside the time limit. There was early splits iirc, most of Team Sky didn't even make the Froome group, and effectively sat up and saved energy (which is what made it more controversial than it otherwise would've been). I think Froome would've been the only sky rider left!

breezy1985

retalivity wrote: »

Is sagan even attempting for the green jersey this year? Only time ive seen him is when he crashed with ewan.

Merlier, Coquard, Demare all gone. Only green jersey contenders are cav, matthews, colbrelli, maybe bouhanni, sagan and pog

A few days ago he said he was still going for it but not looking good and I don't think he is up to it. Bora gonna need to try something soon if they don't want to end up being completely anonymous in this tour

retalivity

breezy1985 wrote: »

A few days ago he said he was still going for it but not looking good and I don't think he is up to it. Bora gonna need to try something soon if they don't want to end up being completely anonymous in this tour

Keldermann will suck wheels the whole way to Paris and finish 9th or something

breezy1985

Macy0161 wrote: »

I've always had it that it is part of the logic of the grupetto - stick together to attempt to make the time limit, if they don't make it, there's too many to kick out.

2016 Vuelta there were 70 off outside the time limit. There was early splits iirc, most of Team Sky didn't even make the Froome group, and effectively sat up and saved energy (which is what made it more controversial than it otherwise would've been). I think Froome would've been the only sky rider left!

Was that one of the amazing Nairoman ambush stages ?

retalivity

retalivity wrote: »

Keldermann will suck wheels the whole way to Paris and finish 9th or something

If he can stay on his bike.

breezy1985

Uran is also well set up to ninja his way to another podium

dastardly00

odyssey06 wrote: »

I think ISN are going for name recognition rather than current ability.

It's a strange team...
Michael Woods is officially their 'GC hope' but he only has one GC Top 10 from the Vuelta in 2017.

Am I missing something?

Woods said in an interview after their TdF team was announced that he was really just stage hunting, even though the team named him as GC leader.

A team probably gets more TV exposure, interviews etc. if they have a GC rider so maybe that's why ISN picked someone from the team

MangleBadger

retalivity wrote: »

Is sagan even attempting for the green jersey this year? Only time ive seen him is when he crashed with ewan.

Merlier, Coquard, Demare all gone. Only green jersey contenders are cav, matthews, colbrelli, maybe bouhanni, sagan and pog

He hurt his knee in the crash with Ewan. He keeps mentioning it on Instagram saying it is causing him pain still.

Wonder would WVA have any interest in going for green? Surely he’d be a good shout to do well in the hilly stages and also contest the sprints?

Dr. Bre

breezy1985 wrote: »

Uran is also well set up to ninja his way to another podium

Don’t think I ever seen Rigo go on the attack

dastardly00

retalivity wrote: »

Bryan Coquard, Loïc Vliegen, Arnaud Démare, Jacopo Guarnieri, Stefan De Bod, Nic Dlamini, Anthony Delaplace all outside time limit

Edit: apparently dlamini is still on the course, well over an hour after O'Connor has finished! Poor guy crashed earlier, been alone for the whole day

https://twitter.com/richardmoore73/status/1411731947928313863

Dlamini ended up finishing 85 minutes after O'Connor, and 40 minutes outside the time limit. Fair play to him for staying on the bike because he probably knew a few hours before he finished that he was going to be OTL and disqualified from the race. Chapeau

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nic-dlamini-misses-tour-de-france-time-cut-by-40-minutes-but-fights-to-reach-tignes/

https://twitter.com/friebos/status/1411732562855276552

I saw this as it came up in relation to that tweet above and another man who finished OTL

https://twitter.com/StefandBd/status/1411614917552132104

breezy1985

dastardly00 wrote: »

Dlamini ended up finishing 85 minutes after O'Connor, and 40 minutes outside the time limit. Fair play to him for staying on the bike because he probably knew a few hours before he finished that he was going to be OTL and disqualified from the race. Chapeau

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nic-dlamini-misses-tour-de-france-time-cut-by-40-minutes-but-fights-to-reach-tignes/

https://twitter.com/friebos/status/1411732562855276552

Fair play. There was a similar lad a few years ago who refused to give up in Roubaix even though the trucks were out taking up the barriers. He even got 2 punctures and got them changed to finish the race

Morris Garren

breezy1985 wrote: »

Fair play. There was a similar lad a few years ago who refused to give up in Roubaix even though the trucks were out taking up the barriers. He even got 2 punctures and got them changed to finish the race

I think that might have been yer man Siskiviscus (?) from Latvia? It was getting dark and they were packing up. He must have left his car keys in the changing room... been that soldier myself the odd time!

Macy0161

breezy1985 wrote: »

Was that one of the amazing Nairoman ambush stages ?

Yes. Well more of a Contador ambush, Nario tagged on for. It was the Formigal stage.

mloc123

After years of watching the incredibly boring sky train dragging Froome and Thomas up hills, it is great to watch some proper individual racing again.

neris

Morris Garren wrote: »

I think that might have been yer man Siskiviscus (?) from Latvia? It was getting dark and they were packing up. He must have left his car keys in the changing room... been that soldier myself the odd time!

I think by the time he got to the velodrome it had been closed up and everyone was gone home

Large bottle small glass

Morris Garren wrote: »

I think that might have been yer man Siskiviscus (?) from Latvia? It was getting dark and they were packing up. He must have left his car keys in the changing room... been that soldier myself the odd time!

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/got-velodrome-gates-closed-extraordinary-story-final-finisher-paris-roubaix-376090

selwyn froggitt

That face!
https://twitter.com/DeGendtThomas/status/1411740512932012033

CrowdedHouse

And on another Thomas De Gendt note.....

https://twitter.com/petercossins/status/1411959697280847875?s=20

velo.2010

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Don’t think I ever seen Rigo go on the attack

He did attack, but he's a ninja so we didn't see it happen!

breezy1985

velo.2010 wrote: »

He did attack, but he's a ninja so we didn't see it happen!

He attacks when the rider in front of him attacks and stops when the rider in front stops

Inquitus

https://twitter.com/daniellloyd1/status/1411621731538722821

cunavalos

Morris Garren wrote: »

I think that might have been yer man Siskiviscus (?) from Latvia? It was getting dark and they were packing up. He must have left his car keys in the changing room... been that soldier myself the odd time!

The best thing about this story is that he came back to roubaix the following year and finished 9th

https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/paris-roubaix/2019

DeepBlue

mloc123 wrote: »

After years of watching the incredibly boring sky train dragging Froome and Thomas up hills, it is great to watch some proper individual racing again.

I stopped watching during the Sky train years. Started watching ITV's highlights again recently and thought "fuk me, Gary Emlach's gotten old :eek:".

I guess it's actually been that long since the Tour hasn't been this dull, predictable procession. :eek:

Mefistofelino

Inquitus wrote: »

https://twitter.com/daniellloyd1/status/1411621731538722821

That's only a valid comparison if the leaders main rivals had crashed out in previous years too.

Pog wouldn't have 6 minutes on a race-fit, unbroken Roglic

Had Froome crashed out by that point in 2014?

Brian?

Mefistofelino wrote: »

That's only a valid comparison if the leaders main rivals had crashed out in previous years too.

Pog wouldn't have 6 minutes on a race-fit, unbroken Roglic

Or if Bernal was there or Thomas hadn’t crashed.

Brian?

DeepBlue wrote: »

I stopped watching during the Sky train years. Started watching ITV's highlights again recently and thought "fuk me, Gary Emlach's gotten old :eek:".

I guess it's actually been that long since the Tour hasn't been this dull, predictable procession. :eek:

Last years Tour??

breezy1985

Brian? wrote: »

Or if Bernal was there or Thomas hadn’t crashed.

I don't think Thomas ever had a hope. Bernal is the only chance Ineos have to beat Pog

Morris Garren

Deleted User wrote: »

Had Froome crashed out by that point in 2014?

Yes- crashed on the cobbled stage, I think it was the first Thursday

Brian?

breezy1985 wrote: »

I don't think Thomas ever had a hope. Bernal is the only chance Ineos have to beat Pog

I didn’t say he could beat Pogacar. In peak form he wouldn’t be 5 minutes behind him though.

at1withmyself

Morris Garren wrote: »

Yes- crashed on the cobbled stage, I think it was the first Thursday

Yep, was stage 5 I think, a great day's racing that was on the cobbles in miserable conditions!