US and Nato withdrawal from Afghanistan...- threadbanned users in OP

jmayo · 07-09-2021 1:33pm

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I expect a fair young wans from Hong Kong might find themselves mining in Afghanistan.

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Ehh the Soviets had a lot of very good kit, the Hind (Mi-24) was wreaking havoc on Mujahideen until the yanks started giving them stingers.

The Soviets had Mig-21s and Mig-23s, Sukhoi Su-17s in Afghanistan because they lost some of them.

The Taliban have some Mi-35/Mi-24s, have Mi-8/Mi-17s, some blackhawks and MD 530s.

We are not sure how many of each they have.

The Mi-24/Mi-35 would be a proper gunship.

The fixed wing aircraft they have are Embraer Super Tucanos, Cessna C208s and a couple of C130s.

All turboprops nothing special, no jets.

The Super Tucanos had been used by the AAF to drop laser guided weapons agaist Taliban in the past, but again we don't know how many of the aircraft are flying, how many pilots they have willing and how much of the hi tech ordinance is still there.

So many questions and such a massive lack of information.

Any chance we could get Charlie Bird out of retirement and lob him into Afghanistan😀

07-09-2021 8:59pm

Current main Guardian newspaper headline starts with:

Taliban name all-male cabinet...

🤣🤣

tara73 · 07-09-2021 9:33pm

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they write it like everybody expected some women in it..🙄the whole article reads like some parody of a Simpson series... that they officially form a cabinet at all feels weird and ridiculous, the foreign minister wanted by the FBI...🤣 I have to laugh and at the same feel guilty because it's everything else than funny these monsters are in power.

silverharp · 08-09-2021 8:38am

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there are a couple of funny enough Taliban accounts on Twitter, they seem to enjoy making fun of these headlines. the idea th Guardian reporting would embarrass the Taliban is a hoot

jmayo · 08-09-2021 9:21am

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I wonder I wonder.

Might we (or rather Leo, Simon, and most especially Michael) solve a problem by sending Ms Zappone over there.

After all she wanted a special envoy role that dealt with Freedom of Opinion and Expression.

And she was a member of the Irish Human Rights Commission and chief executive of the National Women's Council of Ireland.

And she was fond of those young Afghan lads that were in Calais so maybe she has a soft spot for Afghanis.

Why not take on the challenge of lecturing those nice Taliban lads all about freedom, equality, LGBT, etc now that her work is done in little old Ireland.

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Will the Americans recognise his diplomatic immunity as a Foreign Minister of a regime they did a deal with in Doha last year ?

Why do I keep thinking of Lethal Weapon.🤣

tara73 · 08-09-2021 9:46am

quote: Will the Americans recognise his diplomatic immunity as a Foreign Minister of a regime they did a deal with in Doha last year ?

highly possible I think..🤣 Seems to me the Taliban becoming socially acceptable these days, a day after the ending of the official air bridge the german foreign minister announced on the daily evening tv news the Taliban will get a few millions...(to get more people out). Found it very weird to announce this that officially from the foreign minister on tv...yes, do it if necessary to safe people but don't say it that openly on tv.

Are they becoming the 'new Saudis?' 🤣Pampered and untouchable..not that they are doing anything different than the Saudis regarding torturing women, minorities and all people with their own thinking anyway.

08-09-2021 9:55am

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Haha, would be hilarious to see her do her thing over there 🤣. Demanding the head of the Taliban declare his pro-nouns before their meetings start....

08-09-2021 9:58am

I would well understand if Charlie Bird demurred from taking up the offer to going to Afghanistan. He's earned enough respect to be excused I think.

08-09-2021 10:17am

I see the guardian headline is 'Taliban announce ALL MALE cabinet'

anyway here is a bit of insight into what was 'being done' in Afghanistan and where some money went

https://www.eip.org/vacancies/gender-expert-based-in-kabul-afghanistan/

A google of 'gender specialist - kabul' or 'afghanistan' is telling. I came across the notion while listening to a radio guest on Australian ABC radio who was introduced as an 'expert' who had been in country more than 10 years. After listening for a while it was clear this person was up in the clouds. Their role was revealed to be 'gender specialist'

'Know your enemy'

silverharp · 08-09-2021 10:32am

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1429188218424078338

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117862520#Comment_117862520

seems to be the goto

tara73 · 08-09-2021 11:13am

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WTF???? Is this for real? It's exactly the job one poster suggested as a joke above...teaching the Taliban gender policy...position best placed with a woman probably they think...in Kabul...anyone with a tendency to masochism and like living in fear to dy a brutal death should apply...

08-09-2021 11:23am

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Am I the only one waiting for Mick Wallace and Clare Daly to turn up in Kabul? 🤣

Flinty997 · 08-09-2021 12:45pm

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Someone beat you to it...https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/p50g9o/clare_daly_mick_wallace_spotted_on_al_jazeera_as/

notobtuse · 08-09-2021 2:03pm

So when the Afghanistan economy begins to stagger without the US, and with the Taliban in charge, cheap heroin, crystal meth, and opium is about to flood into Europe. And it almost seems Joe Biden purposely armed the Taliban and ISIS so in the future can tell our citizens people, and Europe being devastated by illicit drugs, that the US can’t possibly go back to Afghanistan and do anything because they’re now too well armed... So Europe, you're on your own.

Flinty997 · 08-09-2021 4:02pm

I think all those issues already existed before the US left Afghanistan.

Kewreeuss · 08-09-2021 8:06pm

In an interview with the Australian broadcaster SBS, the deputy head of the Taliban’s cultural commission, Ahmadullah Wasiq, said women’s sport was considered neither appropriate nor necessary.

“I don’t think women will be allowed to play cricket because it is not necessary that women should play cricket,” Wasiq said. “In cricket, they might face a situation where their face and body will not be covered. Islam does not allow women to be seen like this.

im not surprised that women are not allowed play cricket and I don’t know if they are applying the same rules to other sport, but I wouldn’t be surprised on that score either. Apologies, all women’s sport will be banned.

What does surprise me is that he says it isn’t necessary for women to play cricket. Did he think about what he was going sto say? This naturally leads me to ask if it’s is a question of necessity, why is it necessary for men to play cricket. Wouldn’t they be better of studying the Koran, or saying their prayers, or setting up a veg plot and doing something useful?

wes · 09-09-2021 10:44am

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Taliban are actively attacking ISIS, so I am not sure they will be a problem in Afghanistan. The leader of the Balochistan ISIS was killed in Afghanistan, the other day. The previous regime actually sheltered ISIS, even rescuing them from the Taliban at one point.

jmayo · 09-09-2021 1:30pm

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You know how people might say she lost her head ?

Well in this case it would be the truth as the Taliban would lob the head off her a minute after she opened her mouth.

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OK it is only coincidental that the CIA would have the same ideas as me.

BTW that is the CIA, in Langley, Virginia.

Maybe if I say the words enough they will pick up this post and give me a job.

Has to have better health care plan than the one I have from my employer at the moment, which is none.

Now since I am coming up with ideas I am copyrighting one that the Taliban can use. Look I am open to all offers.

And it is how Afghanistan can compete in women's sport in future.

They can just enter men, who declare as women.

Problem solved. No women having to take part in sport, wear inappropriate clothing, etc.

And the big plus is Afghanistan's medal hopes drastically increase.

Gatling · 09-09-2021 5:26pm

Looks like China is planning to move into bagram airbase ,for both military and civilians to brought in to work on Chinese projects such as the new silk road and mines .

Bagram is huge ,I'd imagine China would need a pretty large military presence to guarantee they get what ever they want and their citizens would be safe .

RGARDINR · 09-09-2021 5:38pm

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Janey smart move by them. Sure will save them a ton of money to go in there now and not have to build it from ground up. Already there saving money.

Gatling · 09-09-2021 5:49pm

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Saving money yes but it's also smart moving into a fully functional fortified military base with runways for large aircraft and hangers sitting there ,

We still don't know if the Chinese have the ability to fight in Afghanistan thought

09-09-2021 6:21pm

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That's a big move. It's in their neighbourhood so probably better they get actively involved rather than the West.

josip · 09-09-2021 8:40pm

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I doubt if the Chinese will be looking for a fight. They usually prefer to do deals. If they do a deal with the Taliban, they won't have to do any fighting

Gatling · 09-09-2021 8:48pm

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Taking over bagram airbase suggest that they won't just be sending civilians ,

In saying that the last time China fired shots in anger was against its own people in Tiananmen Square , before that the Korean war , there is only so many deals you can make until someone decides these foreigner are as bad the others that came before

silverharp · 10-09-2021 9:24am

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China have a tendency to only do unfair deals, interesting to see how it works out

jmayo · 10-09-2021 10:53am

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You are incorrect.

They invaded Vietnam in early 1979 in response to Vietnam invading Cambodia in 1978 after they finally had enough of China's ally Pol Pot.

Oh and the Vietnamese kicked their ar**es acdcording to Western analysts.

Yes they claimed they taught the Vietnamese a lesson, but they didn't get them to withdraw from Cambodia the supposed goal of the invasion.

10-09-2021 11:12am

China have been modernising their armed forces for the last few years. Launching a lot of navy ships, new base in Djoubiti etc etc

Neighbours like Vietnam, Japan and Taiwan unimpressed, interesting times ahead.

ceadaoin. · 11-09-2021 1:08am

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-drone-strike-targeted-aid-worker-killing-10-afghan-civilians-2021-9

More bad optics

11-09-2021 9:04am

Blown away that there were murals of George floyd in kabul.

[https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-gs-rev1&tbm=nws&q=George+Floyd+kabul&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjHmcya3PTyAhVSDN4KHd7eCKQQBSgAegQIARAE&biw=360&bih=667&dpr=3](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-gs-rev1&tbm=nws&q=George+Floyd+kabul&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjHmcya3PTyAhVSDN4KHd7eCKQQBSgAegQIARAE&biw=360&bih=667&dpr=3)

Wtf

Now the Taliban have scribbled it out

Gatling · 13-09-2021 3:28pm

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They have and most at stolen US and European designed naval vessels and aircraft ,it will be interesting to see if they are any use in a real world situation against another military

AbusesToilets · 13-09-2021 4:39pm

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I'd imagine they'd take a similar approach to Russia. Obsfucating any set backs and losses they incur if they get into it.

Gatling · 14-09-2021 2:55pm

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Absolutely all military deaths will be considered state secrets and likely will never be reported, similar to russian loses from Syria and Africa to Ukraine ,

In Ukraine families were told their loved ones were on over seas training exercises and wouldn't be back for several years , despite the fact that were killed in eastern Ukraine and buried in secret graves .

Id expect the Chinese to follow suit ,

On the Chinese , sources are saying government surveillance agencies are already heading to Afghanistan to help the Taliban to monitor internet access and mobile networks to use against their own population.

So much for not liking foreign Invaders

nacho libre · 14-09-2021 8:24pm

Well, it seems the harmony of seeing off the Americans did not last long,

Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, one of the co founders of the Taliban, has gone "missing" in recent days after a dispute(Gun fight) in Kabul.

riclad · 20-09-2021 1:40am

The taliban are trying to appear moderate in order to get international aid, its all lies bullshit, they announced boys must go back to school, no girls allowed to go to secondary school, women have to stay at home apart from a few jobs nurses,midwives that can't be done by a man

Most women workers will be replaced by men welcome to 1950.and there's no signs of any minority groups in the government so far music schools are closed read up on Pakistan it receives billions from America it provided a haven for the taliban for the last 10 years eg if the war got too hot the taliban would simply retreat to pakistan

It's like vietnam America with all its hitech and fancy weapons could not defeat a primitive army whose main weapons were rifles ak47s ieds

Meanwhile the country is on the verge of a financial collapse due to drought covid lack of money or aid so far being paid

The country is made up of various minority groups pashstun, talik etc there have been protests by small groups of women demanding a right to work and to be educated

Even in the last 10 years the rural areas were not really governed properly as we think of it in the west the taliban would maybe have taken over years ago but for the power of the American Air force to bomb them if they got to close to allied city's or bases