Mayo GAA Discussion

spakman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120563220#Comment_120563220

Why? We were hammered, and played shite football.

It's not like we were even close to sligo or tried to play a progressive style of football.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120563363#Comment_120563363

In successive weeks Sligo have beaten Roscommon, Mayo, Galway and Kerry, with injuries and illness impacting their team today. Kerry also were looking pretty aimless today, as a result of Sligo play. Sligo have an excellent side.

Now I still believe Deane should be given the U20s next year as they will be his minor sides making up the team, but I do think we need to acknowledge that sometimes we can be not good enough because of the opposition, not always because of our coaches.

charolais0153

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120563398#Comment_120563398

Don’t rate Deane or Sheridan at all

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120564073#Comment_120564073

Because you are focused on winning not developing players. Look at the players who have come through to the senior side in the last few years who have done nothing at underage from a “results” point of view. U17 and 20 is now about identifying and preparing players for senior. And if you look at the last few years it is working even if we aren’t winning all irelands at underage. The likes of Coyne, Callinan, Hession, Carney, Tougy etc ( and Mullen) have come through without any underage “success”. Something is being done right

Deane gets a lot of stick over us losing the minor final last year. With 16 and 17 year olds, playing the same side for the third time in a year was always going to be tough. I would judge that side and the coaching setup by how many players come through rather than the one off game. They were kids. And it seems losing to Galway by a point last week means Deane is a dead loss all together.

spakman

I'd have a lot more time for Deane than Sheridan. At least Deane has a gameplan and encourages players to express themselves - Sheridan seems to curtail all that.

charolais0153

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120564119#Comment_120564119

Sure Deane didn’t bring any of them lads through

I thought that mayo team last year as individuals was far better than the Galway team We will see how both sets of players get on in time to come

The last day you’d think he would learn in first half that any man on the Galway centre back was only going to be marking him.

do u not think with all them good players your on about they should be more competitive at underage

TsuDhoNimh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120557945#Comment_120557945

Sadly, as logical as that sounds, contracts are far more convoluted. It will all come down to the fine print in the tender documents and in cases like this can often be the inclusion or omission of a key word here or there as to where the liability sits.

"Specifications were drawn up and sent to four specialised pitch development companies, and all four submitted tenders."

In a case where the contractor WAS responsible with shoddy work (huge 'if' there, not for a second suggesting they were) they'd have a very plausible case of denying responsibility and laying blame at the feet of the engineers for the proposed remediation being responsible for the issues or the client for incorrect scoping of the work. Once you break ground on a project there will always be unknowns and unforeseen's where a plausible (if not entirely truthful) case can be put together on why the blame lays elsewhere and they successfully fulfilled their side of a contract.

It's also very possible the proposed remediation was flawed coming from the Engineers side and the issues lay there. All sorts of ways they'd be insulated and protected too and they're never too keen to take a reputational hit so would fight it tooth and nail.

It gets messy, fast.

Not beyond the bounds of possibility to end up burning through more than the cost of the resurfacing on legal fees with no guaranteed outcomes. Having been involved on both engineer and contractor sides of stuff like this if I was part of advising the county board I'd be looking for an amicable agreement with the bodies involved (everyone involved will have a fair idea what went wrong even if it's difficult to prove) to get a resolution and hope to solve it miles away from a court or legal disputes.

(Said as someone that also helped funding the mess of a surface.

For the money that has been poured into it my heart sunk every time the last year or so I glanced at the surface from behind one of the large pillars obstructing the view.)

MacDanger

Great win for the ladies, first connacht title in a good while

Be-Jaysus

Kerry looked sharp today, albeit against a team that knew their fate before the throw-in.

muddle84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120557945#Comment_120557945

All depends on the specific issue! To give an examples, maybe the drains that the contractor was to connect the new drainage to can't take the amount of water coming from the pitch anymore. Thats not the contractors fault and they wouldn't be liable to fixing that. All about the specifics!

Date & time for Kerry v Mayo. Saturday 20th May at 3pm. On GAA Go only.

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120566509#Comment_120566509

Was very impressed with them despite the opposition. Jack O'Connor really has it sussed when it comes to preparing that team.

It'll be a very tough test for us down there, I'm getting less hopeful as the days go by.

Be-Jaysus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120573564#Comment_120573564

RTE and the Media happy to champion them as darlings again, and fear monger its competitors, its what our bland media do.

Mayo fans need to remember the qualities of our own team ,plus they are rested up.

Need to be aggressive going down there, but apply it in a controlled manner.

If we silence them in the opening 20 minutes ,the game will go the wire.

blowitupref

According to the unreliable Connacht telegraph. Jack Coyne, Conor Loftus and Paddy Durcan are on the treatment table.

km79

Durkan would be a disasterous loss

We need his pace like never before .

Coynes arm was in a sling last weekend …….

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120570746#Comment_120570746

Is this going to bring the GaGo controversy to a head, a game between possibly the two best teams in the country behind a paywall?

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120575139#Comment_120575139

I wouldn't be paying too much attention to RTE tbh. From my own viewing, albeit against a fairly poor team, they looked very sharp.

We're rested up but we're also on the back of two fairly poor performances imo. It'll be our biggest test of the year and I'm far from optimistic... They'll be gunning for us after the result in Castlebar.

PressRun

Durcan out with another injury would be annoying. He was only just back.

Coillte_Bhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120577493#Comment_120577493

In fairness i doubt they give two **** about the game in Castlebar

Be-Jaysus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120579325#Comment_120579325

Amazing what 1 game in Munster & some media bigging does to the mindset of the average Mayo fan.

Mayo fans are now fearing a backlash from Kerry after a novel victory in Castlebar , despite taking humiliating beatings off them last season, and also in the All-Ireland series in 2019.

If anything Mayo & its fan-base should be travelling down to Kerry to re-enforce the reality that those days of taking beatings are over, and will now go toe2toe like how it used to be between 2012-2018.

We are not Clare or Tipperary.

Be-Jaysus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120579571#Comment_120579571

Its nearly like we've got no divine right to go down to Killarney and give them a bloodied nose.

As "Ah Ref" stated in a recent pod , we must take "our medicine" on the 20th for beating them during the winter.

Is it any wonder we are waiting 70 years with that mentality.

MacDanger

Tickets on sale now, 25 for adults, 5 for kids

Edit: that seems to be for the terrace only, no stand tickets available at the moment.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120580067#Comment_120580067

You have to search for other tickets. In Kerry if you are able to stand you go to the terrace. We leave the terrace to older, infirm supporters and foundlings. ''This is the way''

https://youtu.be/uelA7KRLINA

Real story most Kerry supporters prefer the Green and Blue terrace area even on a wet day

manofwisdom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120580067#Comment_120580067

Other group games that weekend €25 General admission. Stand tickets probably first reserved for season ticket holders and whatever are left will be put on sale?

spakman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120580433#Comment_120580433

€25 for stand too

blowitupref

Kevin McStay said the injuries Mayo have at the moment is Cillian O’Connor, Brendan Harrison and Rory Brickenden . No mention of injuries to Jack Coyne,Paddy Durcan and Cornor Loftus so I'm guessing the Connaught telegraph was wrong with such rumours again.

The published championship panel

Aidan O’Shea, Aiden Orme, Bob Tuohy, Brendan Harrison, Conor Loftus, Conor McStay, Cillian O’Connor, Colm Reape, David McBrien, Darren McHale, Diarmuid O’Connor, Donnacha McHugh, Eoghan McLaughlin, Enda Hession, Fionn McDonagh, Frank Irwin, Jack Carney, Jack Coyne, James Carr, Jason Doherty, James McCormack, Jordan Flynn, Kevin McLaughlin, Matthew Ruane, Michael Plunkett, Paddy Durcan (captain), Padraic O’Hora, Paul Towey, Rob Hennelly, Rory Brickenden, Rory Byrne, Ruairi Keane, Ryan O’Donoghue, Sam Callinan, Stephen Coen (vice-captain), Tommy Conroy (vice-captain)

MacDanger

Good to hear on the injuries front, I think with a full panel, we have every chance against Kerry - we'll need to dominate midfield though, if they win enough ball and get it inside, it's going to be hard to stop them

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120587150#Comment_120587150

It would be good craic to start a daft rumour on here and see how long it takes before Aiden Henry presents it as an "exclusive " in the Connaught.

mayo.mick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120587922#Comment_120587922

Here ye go.....😀

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120587922#Comment_120587922

Andy Moran is flying in training apparently

franklyon

So what's the quality of the GAA go streams like? It is worth buying the 3 match package as I assume Mayo v Cork and Louth will also be on there?

Coillte_Bhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120600200#Comment_120600200

Ive found it pretty good so far, no issues at all.

MacDanger

Assuming everyone except Harrison & Brickendon are available, what 15 will we start with? Something like this for me:

Reape

Callinan McBrien Coyne

Durcan Loftus Coen

Ruane DOC

Flynn Carney Hession

AOS ROD Carr

That leaves a fairly strong bench of Cillian, Tommy C, McDonagh, Tuohy, McHale, Swanny, McLaughlin

Hession might be a bit left field but I'd have him there to pick up White as he's one of the few we have who'd be capable of sticking with him

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120600353#Comment_120600353

I really like that idea of Hession on White... But I just can't see it happening.

Hopefully they're all fully fit, it'll be a great yardstick to see where we are / and still have a bit of time to work on things if needed.

Always_Running

If it counts for anything Mayo's recent challenge game form was apparently a win against Tyrone and defeat to Kildare.

Green&Red

Saturday should tell us a lot. I think Callinan will take up Clifford but the big challenge will be stopping the supply. Hopefully we've come up with an alternative to Loftus at 6 but I doubt it

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606459#Comment_120606459

I really doubt that as well, there hasn't been a hint of it yet, rather a doubling down of sorts by also playing Jason Doc there

MacDanger

Was thinking about the whole Loftus experiment and whatever about playing him in that role against a team like Kerry/Dublin who come out to play football, it's completely pointless playing him against teams who played a packed defence - there's almost never an opportunity to play the long ball in.

RedDevil55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606691#Comment_120606691

I would say the opposite. It makes some sense vs defensive teams where he won't have to mark anyone and will have time on the ball to set up attacks.

Against the likes of Kerry he'll have to mark someone.

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606976#Comment_120606976

I don't think it makes sense on any level tbh. Was there a game in the League where there was even a glimmer that we might be on to something?

We didn't see any great playmaking or passing, yet we were fairly open down the middle, regardless of the opposition.

I wasn't optimistic about it but I was willing to see if it would work. There were no real signs of it working and just a sense that it'll really get exposed come the heat of the Championship imo.

Seeing Jason Doc come forward as the backup CB was just as worrying. I can't get my head around it at all, and I'm sure decent teams will be looking forward to exposing this against us.

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607856#Comment_120607856

I'm the same,could see what they were thinking and willing to trust the management but I saw more negatives than positives in the league with Conor at chb.Having said that,him getting blamed for us being open down the middle is way too simple.If you analyse those goal chances a lot of the time the blame was elsewhere.

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607900#Comment_120607900

Didn't mean to imply it's all his fault at all. We're still very open at times in general so it's definitely not the fault or responsibility of just one player... But CB is a key position (maybe less so for some teams that have completely embraced blanket defences) and it's who I would still look to to be making sure things are solid back there.

HBC08

He's not a defender that's for sure and I don't think the idea of him spraying passes and unlocking defenses in the quarter back role has worked.He was scoring a lot more from midfield aswell even though I couldn't really see his worth there either.I think he's a good solid footballer and could do a job in the hf line,maybe coming off the bench.

I do trust the management though and they know more than all of us put together and see what's happening in training aswell.

charolais0153

I like callinan but it’s throwing him in at the deep end on David Clifford. Have to leave O’Brien on him imo. See what he’s made of. I’d be happy enough with coyne and callinan/hession on paudie and Brosnan Only way to curb dc influence is to stop fast ball in to him and not leave his man isolated

the team fairly picks itself at this stage I think Carr starting and Conroy coming from bench will be better for us than vice versa

TsuDhoNimh

"Against the likes of Kerry he'll have to mark someone"

Ehhh?

The whole role Conor's playing as sweeper (except the league final with Diarmuid sweeping and the odd 10-20 minutes here and there in the league) is the spare man. His role is to not be marking someone and ensure we have numerical superiority in the most dangerous position at any given time. The job of the rest of the team is to ensure the spare man left over is kept somewhere they can't hurt us, either behind the ball in 95% of the play or when an overload is attempted on one side everyone shuffles over to keep the spare man on the other side away from the ball. He won't be marking anyone if he's playing that role be it against Kerry, Dublin, Galway (where he was used differently to mark Heaney in the final) or anyone else.

Plenty of reasons I don't think he's working especially well in the sweeper role but important to recognise what the job is before suggesting someone isn't doing it well enough or calling for someone else that would do it better.

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612981#Comment_120612981

I wouldn't have said that Loftus was playing a sweeper role based on the league and championship games this year.

I know that when a defence is set in the modern defensive system, its can be more about minding space than players and Loftus would have been minding his space... But to me a sweeper plays a completely free role closer to the full back line.

By definition, to me anyway, a sweeper wouldn't be one to be bringing the ball forward as much as Loftus did all through the league. A sweeper sweeps, and very rarely wanders out of position even when in possession.

Diarmuid played much more of a sweeper type role at times during the league than Loftus imo. But again, I wouldn't exactly call what Diarmuid was doing as playing as a sweeper. He seems to be popping up everywhere, more of a roaming role, but often appearing in that sweeper role when he sensed danger, which he's excellent at doing.

I'm not a huge fan of the term, but I have heard Loftus' role referred to as the quarter back role...

TsuDhoNimh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120613125#Comment_120613125

Conor spent the vast majority of the league the free man sweeping in our set defence. Every other player playing either a man marking role (quite rare, normally 2 per game sometimes 3) or a zonal defensive role tagging and switching between runners, which Diarmuid did exceptionally.

Diarmuid often ended up positioned further back than Conor tracking a man there but was seldom free or sweeping when it happened. He did sweep for 10 or 15 minute spells in a couple of games and for a significant period in the final until Heaney picked up the injury but was the exception rather than the rule this year.

Diarmuid is positioned where he's making more judgement calls than most on where and when to float from one player to another as the point of danger changes (some great clips from Stephen O'Meara on The Square D this year highlighting Diarmuid's play). He's been one of the fastest to adapt to the new system and has put in some incredible performances on the back of it. Huge game IQ.

Wouldn't be the least bit surprised seeing him continue in the role going forward as he played for much of the final but not what he's been playing most of the year.

km79

Very low key build up for this. They are really going to have to look at changing the structure a bit again

BENDYBINN

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120613380#Comment_120613380

According to Leo keegan mayo have a lot of injuries…….roughly translated mayo wont be showing their hand on Saturday.

meaningless game really.

Sebastian Dangerfield

Yeah, by trying to ensure there are no dead rubbers, they have taken the bite out of all 3 games.

Louths annihilation by Dublin will have done nothing to make Mayo take Saturday any more seriously, but I still expect us to struggle with them far more than the Dubs did