Too many people would have to keep it a secret...

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798296#Comment_118798296

Went back in time to the 1700s and gave people a tv they wouldn’t know what it was used for. Cannot turn it on has no power. Just because you don’t understand the technology does not mean cannot work. 

Six missions to the moon. Why would you return this many times unable to go there in the first place? Risking exposure each time if you keep faking it. 

You boarded flights to head abroad, have you not? That amazing that can sit down inside an aluminum tube and fly and high at 30,000 feet or more to arrive at any location around the world has an airport.

robinph

Ooh, ninja edit to add in claim about the Challenger crash never having happened. :)

@Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798474#Comment_118798474

Which again, was something I thought that no conspiracy theorist would claim legitimately. I thought it was only something people who were trolling and trying to act like a completely off the wall theorist would claim.

And yet, here's Marky claiming it as if it helps his point.

Must be weird to be more extreme and more embarrassing than the resident holocaust denier.

Out of curiosity @Markus Antonius, what is your belief about the holocaust?

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798461#Comment_118798461

Why would you return this many times unable to go there in the first place?

What do you mean by this? They NEVER went. Ever.

I find it incredible how you can believe the moonlandings happened given your stance on 911. I know absolutely nothing about 911, nothing about steel structures, rigged explosives etc. but I am well sure that it wasn't orchestrated by a disgruntled brown man hiding in the Afghan mountains who hates freedom. And yet you know nothing about moonlandings yet you seem so dead certain they happened! (despite the fact that 1 in 6 british people think it was staged. https://yougov.co.uk/topics/science/articles-reports/2019/04/25/which-science-based-conspiracy-theories-do-britons)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798508#Comment_118798508

Yea, it's almost like conspiracy theorists aren't basing their conclusions on logic, but rather what they personally want to believe or not.

Cheerful probably says the same about you and the holocaust, assuming you don't share his denial there.

How do you guys reconcile this in your childish worldviews? Why do you believe cheerful doesn't agree with you? Why does he believe in silly conspiracy theories you don't believe?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798508#Comment_118798508

The big difference between 9/11 and the moon landings.

Buildings collapsed that day. It’s a fact, not disputed.

Not disputed fact: the first time in all human history a steel tall building of this type collapsed.

Disputed: Caused by fires.

Why it has collapsed “first time in all human history” is an honest debate.

Fire theories are shown to be flawed. Debunker ignores that. That's their choice.

Moon landing. Six missions to the planet. That means NASA had to rinse and repeat the same fake for a long time. Do you not think it be risky faking moon landing after moon landing over a 10 year period? 

Cheerful S

Markus Antonius:

If you want to find out why 9/11 truthers are right.

Watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIMBnuMdnLk&ab_channel=FW%21TV

This is NIST answering back, a question that came from Physics high school teacher named David Chandler.

Listen to the NIST guy at the podium.

He informs their collapse study exhibited no freefall collapse!!!!!!. Everything the debunkers trying to spoof on this site all lies because we have a video record of what they actually said when they distributed the draft of the final report. 

Don't understand what he saying. He basically said a sequence of failures had to take place first and nothing was instantaneous underneath.

Freefall is impossible in a natural collapse of a building, you see!!!!!

Of course, the mistake is freefall occurred. There NIST had to scramble later to figure out what to say in the final report to correct the massive error on their part.

If you got freefall occurring that means the structural steel and floors support is being removed instantaneously not just in one area but right across the entire width of the building. NIST is well aware that cant happen naturally, the reason that conference is so important., and answer given,

The study showed no freefall, none of the NIST collapse models do either fact. Correction of words in the final report is meaningless gobbly shite, that debunkers fall for.

Lol

So looks like the conspiracy theorists "discussing things" results in one throwing a fit and deciding to leave the discussion after 2 posts because his conspiracy theory is obviously true. And now the other is just spaming this same links he always does and declaring his prefered conspiracy theory is obviously true.

Neither sees the issue and neither will ever start to thing about their own beliefs and why they are so similar to someone they thing is insane.

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798508#Comment_118798508

Fantastic.

 I know absolutely nothing about 911, nothing about steel structures, rigged explosives etc. but I am well sure 

lol. One of the most stupid things Ive ever read. This forum is great fun.

robinph

Their hoped for safe space to discuss conspiracy theory's amongst themselves seems unlikely when they each think that the others ideas are daft.

Is fun to watch one of them state that the others orbiting chocolate teapot claims are stupid, and using their own orbiting chocolate teapot claims as of how credible their ideas are.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800964#Comment_118800964

That's the basic appeal of a conspiracy theory. Lets you pretend to be an expert when you know exactly nothing and have spend no mental energy thinking about it.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800774#Comment_118800774

You are preaching to the choir here. I don't have much interest in 911 but it was absolutely orchestrated by the Bush administration. I read a while back about all the warnings the US received from different countries that an attack was imminent, and not only did they not act on it but they appeared to facilitate the plane crashes (i.e. no response from the aviation authority when the planes went beyond a certain radius of their flight path etc.). Not to mention all the links the Bin Laden family had to the Bushes. Also the 1 Trillion going missing from the federal reserve the day before the attacks coupled with the finance section of the Pentagon getting hit... Anyone who believes the media's angle on 911 must be some kind of simpleton.

But I am dumbfounded how you can believe the moonlandings. All the footage is pre-filmed in studios and released the day they plan on going. Do you still believe the Challenger disaster happened despite it being proven that most of the "dead" astronauts are still alive (some of them not even bothering changing their names):

robinph

But I am dumbfounded how you can believe the moonlandings. All the footage is pre-filmed in studios and released the day they plan on going. Do you still believe the Challenger disaster happened despite it being proven that most of the "dead" astronauts are still alive (some of them not even bothering changing their names):

You are aware that two completely different people can have the same names aren't you?

How many other people do you think were born on the same day as you with the name "Mark" for instance?

https://www.thebump.com/b/search?name=Mark

Nowhere near as popular these days, but there is still at least one Mark born a day in the US for example. Your name, whatever it is, is not unique... Unless you are Elon Musks kids.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118802272#Comment_118802272

Stick to 9/11 stronger evidence out there for a conspiracy.

Lookalikes exist. Obtaining pictures of lookalikes and placing them side by side with pictures of the Challenger crew is not convincing evidence.

I see this in 9/11 field where people claim space beams took out the towers and no planes hit the towers, it only exhausts the argument. Science for controlled demolition is there. 

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118802362#Comment_118802362

You must be joking! A complete and undeniable doppelganger with the exact same name, same age and you are putting it down to chance!! Jesus.

Just look at these two official profiles of the pilot:

https://directory.engr.wisc.edu/ie/Faculty/Smith_Michael/

Vs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_J._Smith_%28astronaut%29

They are the same man for christs sake! We could ring and ask the lying bastard!

911 was just another flash point in history to allow the US to enter/start yet another war. Even if it came out through official channels that it was an inside job - nothing would come of it as the damage is already done (and more than likely all implicated will be dead)

NASA fakery is still happening right in front of our eyes. And just wait until they start talking about the "space defense system" and "aliens" as what was prophecized by the Nazi founder of the space program Von Braun.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118802409#Comment_118802409

That guy doesn't look like be in his 70s, challenger guy born in 1945.

Looks like about 50 plus at most.

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118802272#Comment_118802272

Just when I thought thigs couldnt get more silly.

FYI above, for one, Ronald McNair is Carl McNairs brother. So yes, same 2nd names and they look alike. Same for Claude and Ellison Onisuka.

I could go on.

Too much Facebook for you methinks. Get help.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118802470#Comment_118802470

Just to broker here, seems to be that if you accept @Markus Antonius conspiracy about all space travel being fake, he is more than willing to accept your 9/11 stuff was pulled off by Nazis

Think you can come to an agreement?

robinph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118802409#Comment_118802409

You'd think that the research papers he was publishing in the mid 80s around work related stress from looking at computer screens would have got in the way of his military and astronaut career.

https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Michael-J-Smith-48119395

Or maybe its two completely different people?

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118802470#Comment_118802470

In all likelihood that picture was taken a few years ago as most employment pictures are. Anyway, you've clearly blue-pilled on the topic, no point discussing further.

robinph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118803331#Comment_118803331

Or the far more obvious answer being that it is someone else entirely.

It's hardly the best conspiracy to disguise someone's death by hiding them in plane view with exactly the same name. You need more than a person with the same name to be able to prove that the Challenger disaster didn't happen.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118803331#Comment_118803331

Chill the bean Don't turn all insulting "like you know who because I don't believe in it. I just pointing a fact out to you, he have be mids 70s now to be same guy. Have you checked if the lookalike same age?

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118803468#Comment_118803468

Not insulting at all. Just saying that if you can't see that those two men are one in the same then there is no point taking the discussion any further. The sources I pulled the image from say it was first posted in 2016 but could have been taken a few years before that. I think it's irrelevant when the picture was taken - Either the guy from the university of wisconsin has committed some kind of identity fraud where he altered the image to look like an older version of the once astronaut who died in the Challenger disaster of 1986 or they are simply the same man.

Dohnjoe

Dohnjoe

robinph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118803528#Comment_118803528

Why didn't anyone wonder why the guy who was publishing research papers about issues from sitting in front of computer monitors was at the same time piloting the Space Shuttle? Then when he was allegedly killed in a very high profile explosion of said Space Shuttle didn't anyone think to wonder why he was continuing to publish more papers on similar topics?

If it was the same guy, don't you think someone would have noticed at the time? It's not like he was hiding until recently if he's been publishing papers all through the last 40 years under his own name.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118803528#Comment_118803528

Funnyman lol Think you having fun for the craic with stuff said in the last few lines. The guy at the university clearly two decades at least younger.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118803727#Comment_118803727

Ya, in the same way 911 clearly an attack on western democracy and ideals by disgruntled brown men in the afghan mountains.

The Nal

A very quick google would debunk the "everyone is still alive" nonsense.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118804794#Comment_118804794

Yea. Again we're supposed to believe that Nasa/the Cia/ the lizard people went to all this trouble to fake a space program for 60 years. And then specifically went to the trouble of faking a shuttle disaster for no discernible reason. Then in the course of this scheme they decide to just let all of the astroanuts go back to the real world, but don't give them plastic surgery or even change their names. Or you know, kill them...

And after all of this, Markus, world's greatest detective discovered this decades old conspiracy by watching youtube.

And this is being presented as a "reasonable conspiracy theory."