Climate Change is Normal and Welcome in My Opinion

wassie

So on one hand your saying Ireland has half the CO2 emissions per capita of Australia, who is "biggest producers of emissions per capita".

Yet on the other hand, you state Ireland contributes a tiny negligible amount on a global scale. But Ireland, as part of the EU, on a per capita basis, we are the 3rd biggest offender in Europe.

So the point (that you say I am missing) is you are using per capita CO2 emissions to support a position that I am calling BS on. It's all about context and using per capita basis as a single measure to assert one country is worse than another is flawed without considering total contributions.

timmyntc

The Earths climate has always been changing.

Those of you who post charts showing temperature anomaly for the last 100 years is so incredibly deceitful - zoom out and look at the trend over 100k or more years and you'll see the earths mean surface temperature goes through predictable cycles. We are nearing the peak of one right now (in relative terms).

There are real problems we need to address - but carbon emissions are not that problem. Plastic pollution, habitat loss, declining fish numbers and the death of insect pollinators - these are the big problems that genuinely put us at risk. Microplastics are found in every waterway, and in most animal feeds (and fish). You are no doubt consuming them right now, and will consume more and more as more plastic waste is made and dumped in waterways.

Overuse of fertilisers and pesticides kills bees, flies, and all other sorts of insects that are so important for food chains and pollination. If this keeps up we will struggle to pollinate plants and food shortages will not be long coming.

Soil qualities have never been worse due to intensive over farming practices.

Fish stocks are being decimated due to megatrawlers.

These are the issues you should be bringing up to your representatives, because these are the issues that put all of humanities future at risk. Carbon emissions are a red herring - to those worried about man made climate change warming the planet - look at past temperature records (100k+ year span). The earth has always gone through ice ages and warm spells, no amount of mankind activity will change that. Trying to reverse the earths cycles is like trying to push back the tide. Trying to adapt to the changing climate, and building resilient nature and ecosystems should be our goal, not strip mining to build electric cars or digging up acres of land to put down nothing but solar panels. Or building wind farms on bogs and causing fish kills from mudslides.

The other thing to be aware of is that the majority of earths carbon emissions are emitted by 10 corporations - so why not put pressure on them instead of joe soap the farmer with a herd of 100 cows.

SEPT 23 1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117732262#Comment_117732262

Environmental High Priest Duncan Steward was on the pulpit today screaming that we need to stop driving cars

and tear up the motorways TODAY

TXPTGR1

Looking forward to the preaching from Obama and his birthday party guests who flew in on private jets about what the little people need to give up to avert disaster.

until the big guys start showing that they are making sacrifices themselves most people will feel able to ignore this. I’m not expecting leadership to be shown on this issue from western political elites therefore we are fucked

Heraclius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117732536#Comment_117732536

Regulation and enforcement in the US and Europe have lead to a significant drop in emissions of sulphur dioxide and oxides of nitrogen which cause acid rain. Unfortunately industrialisation in other countries has lead to an increase in those countries.

Thelonious Monk

So if the Greens are hated so much for being virtue signallers, who needs to push the changes required for climate change? FF or FG?

Maybe people who've never driven cars or buy new clothes or eat meat? They'd be called a cult of freaks.

Everyone is a hypocrite who wants change, just by being part of modern society, unfortunately.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117732601#Comment_117732601

You're mixing up continents, countries and economic blocks. Ireland issues a teeny tiny amount of of emissions in and of itself as well as per capita versus the likes of Australia. You seem to be very much missing the point though.

Look let's stick with total emissions. Ireland is responsible for less than a fraction of global emissions unless you want to lump us in and blame us for the emissions from Poland and the likes. What we do here makes absolutely zero difference. Zero.

Sunny Disposition

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117733264#Comment_117733264

It will be up to centrist parties, because that's where people are. Very few people don't doubt climate change, but they won't trust extremists. It's the same with most things, people don't like partition but didn't support the IRA, they would like more equality but won't turn Communist.

Building consensus is a very important step, but the Greens can't do it, far too preachy. I am optimistic that Ireland is going in the right direction, the wind energy development off the west coast will be a great step forward.

Spudmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117732405#Comment_117732405

Because it absolves us of any responsibility?

Dr. Bre

Why Arent we in strict lockdowns like covid if it’s that serious?

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117730750#Comment_117730750

I'm sure if you read enough well phrased quotes you'll manage to find one that suited what your was anyway.

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117730911#Comment_117730911

Well your previous post seemed to suggest that you don't believe that climate change exists:

"Irish weather has not changed in the last 100 years"

And now you're saying it might, but that there's no point in doing anything about it. That is the thing about climate change deniers; one moment they're saying it doesn't exist, and the next they're saying "oh well, what can we do about it anyway?".

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117733876#Comment_117733876

The same reason people smoke... because the consequence isn't immediate.

richie123

Climate change is practically impossible to tackle.

If we do what's nesscessary to slash emissions it will lead to massive job losses and huge hardships on ordinary working class people.

Dairy farming and farming in general would suffer hugely

Manufacturing of cars phones planes ect would need to be drastically reduced leading to worldwide joblessness and recessions and extreme hardship.

It's an impossible proposition.

Very hard to see how it's going to be solved.

Atlantic Dawn

Prime Time tonight going to be looking at how rising sea levels will impact life in Ireland, wonder will they question construction of a single house on the former Irish Glass site? I am guessing that will be off limits.

Markus Antonius

For as long as there is no financial incentive to give electricity back to the grid by means of your private solar panels/windmills, the climate change agenda, carbon taxes etc. will always remain as the farce that it is.

Markus Antonius

One thing I've noticed on news reports and on articles online is that they never cease to say the line

"We are more certain than ever that climate change is caused by humans"

How much more certain do you have to be? Does it not go without saying at this stage?

It's like some kind of brainwash - say it enough times and people will start believing it.

Dr. Bre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117734666#Comment_117734666

Your wrong never did I say I was climate denier. My question is it happening faster then they think

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117735094#Comment_117735094

You have no idea about scientific practice and terminology do you?

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117735108#Comment_117735108

I do in fact. And I read a good chunk of the IPCC report today. Never have I seen as much junk "science" in my life. A good laugh indeed.

It's like looking at an elephant right in front of you with a telescope. It also boggles the mind how they link it to human activity! 😫

Clearly a politically motivated trainwreck of a report. Pashchal O'Donohoe is drooling his way to the bank: "Carbon tax increases for the next 10 years" he says. All because of your hysteria, thanks a lot.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117735017#Comment_117735017

Well I haven't written a manifesto, but we need to prioritise the important things. Sustainable food sources, accommodation for the population, and some kind of UBI. Everyone having to work in some capitalist machine will just continue the status quo. There are some jobs that will always be essential, but jobs for the sake of growth, or bringing out new products and pushing things on the public, well that really needs to be looked at, like do we need these things. Dragon's Den I find pretty sickening sometimes, investing in some rubbish product made from plastic, that no one ever needed before, trying to force it on the public.

The free market shouldn't be as free as it is, in my opinion. How many types of plastic bottled drinks do we need? Why should businesses be allowed launch more and more of them? More regulations and reviews of products available is definitely required.

It's just so complicated as there is so much work to be done, but the whole system needs to change.

richie123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117735174#Comment_117735174

I agree with what your saying.

Less is more.

But I think its a damned if we do and damned if we don't type of situation.

It's debatable wether drastically reducing emissions even ina a short space of time will work...and if we implement radical changes and carbon taxes ..the less well off will suffer most.

Like I said it's a tough one to figure out no simple answer fullstop.

Andrewf20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058203142/climate-change-is-normal-and-welcome-in-my-opinion

I am wary of anybody who says things like "we have no evidence it is caused by humans...". That's a pretty bold claim to make. And what if you are wrong? There is no planet B. I think a drive to reduce our carbon footprint is a good idea in case human activity is causing climate change.

Its seems to me from the reading I have been doing that there is at least some evidence of human activity affecting the climate. For every video that supports the notion of climate change not being driven by humans, there will be another video that says the opposite. So why do you believe 1 type of narrative over the other?

Billgirlylegs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117735949#Comment_117735949

Grand.

what is the proposal?

Listen to the scientific experts? Who dreamt up all of the processes that are causing this issue?

How well have the scientific experts handled the last 2 years?

Ciaran Cuffe on Newstalk at the moment (on a crappy mobile phone no less) spouting non specific nonsense and generalised "we should all do our bit". Surprised he didn't propose more badly designed, dangerous seperate cycling facilities.

Billcarson

Indeed ,people thinking they know better then the scientists. Clowns and nothing but clowns.

Hangdogroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117730296#Comment_117730296

How the hell did was Covid "proof" that humans supposedly have nothing to do with climate change?

noodler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117731236#Comment_117731236

Are you, are you serious?

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117736248#Comment_117736248

Because it showed that the so called "experts" (who ironically never get named and credited for their work) continued their "It's still not enough" rhetoric despite the worlds economies screeching to an unprecedented halt.

It proves to us that the so called "science" that we are expected to lay our faith in is little more than extreme activism and political nonsense

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117736201#Comment_117736201

These are the only scientists you have:

What was that you were saying about clowns?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117736920#Comment_117736920

It's sad that when people protest against the current system of mass consumption, which can only end really badly, they are derided by so many. You get the usual old cranks calling them out for using mobiles and being driven to school in SUVs, like they invented that f*cking society and pushed the products on themselves. I really feel for kids that are around now and the ones coming, times are going to get tough.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117736866#Comment_117736866

What are you on about. Do you think it's like a switch? That everyone around the world could decide to coordinate to do absolutely nothing and use no energy or resources at all on 1st September and that would mean that the climate would have reset by the 2nd?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117736920#Comment_117736920

You shouldn't mistake your own personal lack of knowledge on a subject for proof of an absolute statement that something don't exist.

The fact that you are not aware of scientists' work (some mad figure like 97% are in full agreement) does not mean that the scientists do not exist.

joe40

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117736920#Comment_117736920

Has IPCC slipped past you.

Or is it a global conspiracy involving most of the world nations and hundreds of climate scientists.

Spudmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737530#Comment_117737530

Something, something about keeping funding rolling in.... I think?

Andrewf20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117736131#Comment_117736131

The messege is fairly simple. Reduce our carbon footprint. Making it happen is the tricky bit. The scientists gather the data and put models in place in to try explain what is happening but they don't have the ability to enact to changes that are needed. That's you, me and the politicians work.

And yes, we should listen to the experts as they know more than you and me.

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117731283#Comment_117731283

He feels sorry for you because that level of gullibility might catch you at some other point in life... as in some time before the globe melts! But your petty and argumentative style of posting is probably doing no favours in bringing people over to your point if view.

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117730347#Comment_117730347

I'd be very surprised if he answered that last question!!!

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737013#Comment_117737013

The only thing that's tough for children at the moment is having this apocalyptic fantasy trumpeted in their faces on a daily basis.

Thankfully, most children know better and are just glad that it gets them a soft Friday off here and there.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738431#Comment_117738431

ok you're a troll, adios

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117735102#Comment_117735102

You're wrong. Did I actually say that you said you were a climate change denier?

And no, Irish weather has changed over the last 100 years.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737412#Comment_117737412

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738440#Comment_117738440

Where on earth did you get this 97% figure from? (Also how dare that 3% have a dissenting opinion!)

Not a troll, but genuinely concerned for the mental health of children who are scared half to death with all the news reports blaming climate change for the forest fires and presenting them as the start of some kind of rapture.

Their deteriorating mental health is a far more tangible and serious problem at the moment

Sunny Disposition

In around ten years I would think the vast majority of vehicles will be electric, and electricity will have been produced in a carbon neutral manner. As I understand it transport is around a quarter of emissions in most western countries. When this happens how much of a benefit will we see? I presume there will be a lot of other measures by then also. Is there any chance the damaged done will reverse?

There really has been a big change in the Irish climate, even in the 80s there was far more frost. You can go to met.ie and see weather reports from a fairly long period of time, it's interesting enough stuff. The long term averages have been breached most months for years.

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117730380#Comment_117730380

But we'd be more likely to come out of it with a three day working week!

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117730604#Comment_117730604

I don't know if anyone here is disputing that though... humans are fallible. But that in itself doesn't mean that climate change doesn't exist.

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117731000#Comment_117731000

You think you're putting up with something? All you have to do is stop watching the news. Explain to me then, how exactly you'd have to put up with anything? Because people on the street don't talk about this.

Spudmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738533#Comment_117738533

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107

And that's from 2010. Also holding up 3% as some sort of a win?

That's kinda the issue though, at the moment.... focusing on the here and now. What if your opinions are wrong and as IPCC have said the issue moves from a mental health problem to a food/water scarcity issue. This is why this is repeatedly being pushed because successive policy makers have refused to address it.

Edit: Actually a 2019 study says its now at 100%.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738608#Comment_117738608

It's just so mental that these people keep going on about Eamon Ryan after a publication from the f*cking UN.

Today on the journal there's an article about carbon tax as FG politicians mooted something about it - all they're doing is going on about the Greens and how they're ruining the country. FG introduced carbon taxes, Paschal was not a Green last time I checked and he mentioned them yesterday. They'll still blame the Greens for taxes when they're gone while also blaming them for not fixing environmental issues. I swear this country is full of idiots.

Arghus

Whole thread has to be a wind up lads.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738624#Comment_117738624

Thanks for this source. This paper is basically saying "Study finds researchers of anthropogenic climate change believe humans cause climate change". It's like surveying a casino to find a percentage of gamblers in the population

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117731030#Comment_117731030

But what about the recent flooding in Germany, where people don't throw their rubbish the river??!! Can't blame that on people blocking up drains!?

Let's not forget that littering affects the environment too! It mightn't have a direct any to climate change, but it's yet another way we're destroying our planet.