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Kin - RTE & AMC

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,962 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Now that's a spoiler. 😁

    Expect more of these in the next fortnight if major characters are bumped off, the media catching up on the success of the show.

    Anyone know what US viewing figures are? I can't find anything but the reviews are solid though none are from major papers or sites. Half-decent figures and the second series is a goer I think, they'll likely take a gamble of word of mouth (though not from Boards.ie) slowly drawing people in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭gidget


    Had a look ahead & read Sunday’s episode in Sky planner

    Finally get to see Brendan.

    Mentions Frank going to visit him in prison



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭shatners bassoon


    I couldn't disagree with this more if I tried 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,308 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    What the **** was that, I thought Eamon was the only one really playing the part but then they do this weird hippy thing. There isn't a scrap of realism in this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭Canyon86


    I thought she was keen to give him a car so she could track the car and find out for sure if he was ratting to the other side, I guess not !



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    OK.. I haven't been watching it, because, obviously, it was going to be sh1te..

    But the hippie scene you speak of, it's what's wrong with a lot of television recently..

    The actual art of drama has been lost, and all that's left is the slick veneer of TV..scenes for the sake of it..

    Hipsters with notions thinking they're artists..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,308 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Agreed and I suppose this was an attempt at character development but really it added nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    There’s no tense scenes in this. Remember love/hate when siobhan went to Frans caravan to get the finger bone, and there was numerous scenes just as anxiety-packed. Well there are none really in this. The only one to come close was the attempt on Michael last night. All other hits have been wham-bang thank u mam.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭qwerty13


    Yet again with this show, style over substance. Seems to have focused a lot on the look of it, and some really laughable camera angles - but they forgot to commission a script that has a scrap of realism and doesn’t leak like a colander.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18 Pirate Master


    For lads with bounties on their heads they sure do love taking risks.

    Michael meeting his daughter in a public place when he knows gun men are scouring the city for any sign of him was just shockingly stupid.

    Same goes for Frank meeting some random lad for a hookup. It was obvious it was a setup.

    Amanda warned them what would happen if Eric didn't turn himself in but Birdy just had to stick her oar in to put Amanda in her place. And of course everything Amanda said would happen has happened.

    And these people expect to be able to sell €50 million worth of gear against all odds? Not a chance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    Even the annoying caper theme music is getting on me nerves now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,413 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    I think Bren is the leader of the family (We'll meet him next Episode) and Frank was made custodian while Bren is in prison, Frank is not very strong and that's why he's constantly under the watchful eye of Birdie.

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    It’s funny reading the comments on early Love/Hate being sh!te as I actually found Season 2 to be by far the most interesting and exciting. Granted I’d had a long-time interest in the Crumlin-Drimnagh feud on which that season was based (Rattigan v Thompson) since it was the first Dublin feud which got extensive media coverage showing windows into the criminals’ ordinary lives and friendships pre-feud (the Limerick feud never really got that kind of coverage, I know nothing about the gangs involved apart from their being gangsters) - S2 of Love/Hate borrowed heavily from that feud, in that a drug bust at a hotel with one or two gang memebers surprisingly getting away without being charged led to John Boy declaring a rat and the gang falling apart as a result. The real life feud involved a similar set up - one of the people caught wasn’t charged because he wasn’t in the room, and his murder after rat accusations was what caused the two factions to split and start fighting with eachother.

    Maybe the fact that I enjoyed LH S2 while many Boardsies didn’t explains why I’m enjoying Kin while many of ye aren’t? My only real criticism so far is that there’s far more plot armour being shown than I think most of us were expecting. If this was one of the real-life feuds, at least one of the family who are regularly coming and going from their stronghold - Amanda or Michael, for example - would have been killed by now. As others have pointed out, the Cunningham assassin is a bumbling fool, but all Frank’s talk of Eamonn being able to raise an army of amateur gunmen in it for the money has so far been entirely incorrect, and none of the real life feuds I can think of played out in a similar way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,308 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Love/Hate is the Sopranos compared to this, don't even draw comparisons. Plenty of flaws in LH but it was superbly written, interesting, realistic and had a charm/humor to it. Where's the Fran in this? That was a realistic Dublin gangster.

    Gillen is just so wooden, no emotion at all. He was a violent, drug fueled sociopath in LH, I couldn't believe this Frank character threw a punch in his life nevermind he's the mastermind behind a dublin crime family.

    Maybe the Americans will lap this up but I don't see this getting another season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    I liked love/hate from the start. The opening scene was the Jack tge lad getting out of prison, chatting up a bird while he bought fone credit, only to get clipped when he went outside. It was a copy of real life dublin gangland, can’t remember if it was related to Crumlin Drimnagh but happened few years down the line from it. Pretty much every story in all seasons were copied from real life.

    I think people only saying L/H started slow is because Gillen was in it and played the usual cocky prick he always does. It was when Nidge came to the front that L/H became truly great and iconic. Throw in the extra great characters like Fran, Elmo and Patrick and it is a series that stands up to any. The only thing not great about watching the box sets is the great music from original RTÉ episodes is not there.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's not really enough characters in the Kinsella family for a bunch of them to get whacked. I can only see maybe Frank or Jimmy getting killed but surely you'd need the rest for season 2.

    I imagine what will happen is they'll make peace with Eamonn. He needs his drugs back to keep his customers onside. They'll probably need to give him someone or something as compensation. There'll be a bit of a split in the Kinsella family as a result. That also sounds a little anti climatic all the same



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Anyone know where they filmed the retreat?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,066 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    I was wondering that myself, very interesting looking building wherever it is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,628 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    That was a house in Avoca, I think, it was for sale in the last few years, built by some architect whose name escapes me right now



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Gillen can not act..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,614 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Yeah, where is the rope bridge they crossed over?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭tea and coffee


    Retreat wasn't meant to be in Spain. It was meant to be in Ireland as they drove there. Sally gap was shown as the "way" there.

    Could have been Avoca Lily's cafe?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,628 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,066 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Nice job, good sleuthing!

    That would have driven me nuts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,628 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,962 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Thanks, I'm not usually into house porn but that was extremely cool, very Scandinavian in style. Safe to say none of us will be bidding for it anytime soon.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Going to Belgium alone to meet a drug dealer was far too dangerous, so they suggested stealing all the drugs of a bigger crime boss...now there's lads out to gun them down at every corner and they're trotting about the city without as much as a hat!



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Frank saying Viking is the liability...NOW who's the liability Frank?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,066 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Have to say that despite the various criticisms being levelled at the show some of the locations have been very well chosen and compliment the scene(s) they feature in extremely well



  • Registered Users Posts: 48 xanike7


    It will most likely get another season, most of the people that are watching this show on amc+ is for the actors, in particular gillen and cox. And isn't this an amc production anyways? Apparently its been having good ratings on amc+ so i would be surprised if they didn't renew it for another season.

    This show doesn't portray realistic gangsters in dublin or anywhere else in the world. I mean its a made up gang world full of posh gangsters. And to be fair, no character on this show looks like they've thrown a punch in their lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,308 ✭✭✭✭rob316




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,870 ✭✭✭Pentecost


    Obviously I can't afford it anyway but it's just a fancy tree house really. Wouldn't be for me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭sonofenoch



    Tbf that bone scene did come in series 4 or 5? ...........try looking back at the first couple seasons of L/H now, it was a pretty amateurish portrayal of gangland every bit as much as the accusations of this........only difference is there seemed to be a bigger cast of 'baddies' , this all seems a bit too close knit for a major crime family .........their gang only seems to have consisted of 3 henchmen and 2 are now dead



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,704 ✭✭✭obi604


    When Eamon was off his head and started hallucinating about the swimming pool etc, what’s the link with Amanda. Or was it just about the fact that Eamon killed Amanda’s son and was feeling guilty about it or is it something completely different. I was a bit lost

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,066 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Doing well in Ireland too, an article just after episode 5 aired said it had more viewers than the Late Late show.

    Charlie Cox said he'd love to come back for a second season (so I think it can be extrapolated that Mikey is alive at the end of ep8!!). Him and Ciaran Hinds are sill the heavyweights of the show in my view



  • Registered Users Posts: 48 xanike7


    Hopefully it gets better in the next season, I just can't get past the idea that the Kinsella family have seemingly no man power. Just like 3 henchmen, 2 of which are dead and the last is a rat. That makes no sense at all, how could a gang with such "notoriety" have no means to protect themselves?

    Cox and hinds are great and most certainly are the heavy hitters which leads me to question how s2 would look. I mean they obviously are paving the way for amanda to be the leader which I mean she already has been puling the strings. So it will be interesting to see a woman at the head of a crime family.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,066 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    If it comes down to a power struggle it'll be Amanda vs Birdie (and Amanda is not a Kinsella, as they are so fond of reminding her). While they'd been fairly indifferent to her up until now Birdie was fairly hostile towards her, and Viking was downright abusive to her, when they told her they Viking wasn't handing himself in.

    I think Claire Dunne is acting the part really well but I think the script writers are giving her too many moody silences and long camera close-ups, it moves from arty to irritating very quickly (not her fault at all but I think it's why people aren't warming to her character)



  • Registered Users Posts: 48 xanike7


    Well if it will be Birdie vs Amanda, then I think Amanda would have to sell her out. At first I thought that she would sell frank out and maybe still will but frank seems willing to listen to Amanda and doesn't throw it in her face that she isn't a "kinsella." Birdie while having had little to do, its clear that she has quite a big influence on Frank and he always listens to what she says. I mean if it weren't for birdie, frank would've gone with what amanda plan.

    As for Dunne, shes been fine, nothing special but not terrible either. And to be fair, I don't think there's really any character you could warm up to. Perhaps Mikey, but not really anyone else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭dubstepper


    Ridiculous story line. Michael poured petrol over Con's son and threatened to burn him alive to get the location of the drugs but Amanda/Michael leave their kids out in public (more of less) unprotected.

    It stretches credulity too far.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Just can't get over the fact they thought it was too dangerous to go to Belgium to meet a drug dealer yet Jimmy, Mikey, Amanda and Frank have been out and about Dublin despite stealing 50m of gear and having targets on their back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭reclose


    They thought going to Belgium was unsafe because it could have been a setup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,874 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    It's clear Amanda and Birdy are the brains in the family

    I thought Eamon was going to a place to help his ex die on her terms, was it a yoga retreat?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Did you watch the episode? It was an ayahuasca ceremony.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,874 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,760 ✭✭✭el diablo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    I thought you could only get these ayahuasca nights in places like the jungles of Peru and Colombia. Do they happen in fancy houses in the Wicklow mountains and are they completely illegal?? Has anyone ever taken it?? I know there have been recent reports of British travellers dying in SA as result of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,876 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    i gave up and don’t watch it but sounds like it hasn’t improved much over the last few episodes.

    the type of BS inconsistency you have identified is exactly why I couldn’t be arsed with it



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,374 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    It could be the guilt about Jamie being caught in the crossfire and causing harm to a mother then connected to causing harm to his own mother when she died trying to save him from drowning. Amanda was the one comforting him at the end of his hallucination so he may feel more sympathetic to her when he returns to his real life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,704 ✭✭✭obi604


    I might have missed this but did Amanda actually ring the guards about the Vikings car involved in a shooting etc



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