Joe Rogan downplays the need for a vaccination and gets covid

Wibbs

The problem with this pox is in both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. The vaccines we have currently are "leaky" and though they're a major undeniable(unless one is a moron) positive in that they reduce deaths and serious illness, they reduce spread but don't stop it to the degree it needs to be stopped. So we'll have a pool of the unvaccinated breeding new strains and a pool of the vaccinated breeding strains too. The problem with the latter is that by virtue of basic natural selection those strains are very likely to select for bypassing the current vacines. Add in falling vaccine efficacy over time and the vaccinated quite naturally wanting to get back to normal bloody life after the shítshow of the last 18 months and dropping their guard we're likely to have more spread of the current pox and a rise in variants. And I can't see us getting out of this until a far less leaky vaccines that massively reduce transmission and hammers all strains comes along.*

*and some promising research into those who previously survived SARS and who got a Covid vaccines shows they are extremely resistant to covid and current strains and other strains in that particular family of poxes.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Absolutely hilarious to see the tantrums in here over a man not getting the vax.

humberklog

He tested Negative for Covid today. Impressive.

Tork

He'd want to be negative after taking (in his own words) "Monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin, Z-pak (zithromax), prednisone, everything, and..a NAD drip and a vitamin drip (and I did that three days in a row)". Rich man with access to the best of healthcare gets better. Many of his fans won't be so fortunate.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117843716#Comment_117843716

It's the hysteria that ensues when a professional grifter is criticised that I find fascinating.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117843765#Comment_117843765

You're probably disappointed he didn't die...

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117843875#Comment_117843875

What makes you say that? Projecting?

OMM 0000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117843469#Comment_117843469

Again with the gas lighting.

I know you're just going to keep lying so I'll skip the nonsense and add you to my ignore list now.

OMM 0000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117843536#Comment_117843536

He was claiming it is only spreading and mutating because of the unvaccinated.

I don't understand why so many people need to be extremists.

OMM 0000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845134#Comment_117845134

Oh wow, this stupid version of boards won't let me ignore you because your profile is "private".

How is it possible such basic functionality is still broken? Have they given up?

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845134#Comment_117845134

"GASLIGHTING" LOL

I quoted YOU verbatim

You're a coward for not having the conviction to admit what you said in black and white (people only have to read what you posted anyway to see it) and now more cowardice by trying to ignore me.

Typical CT trumpism from you. Spread lies and run away when challenged on it. Pathetic!!!!

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845134#Comment_117845134

You keep using this word, gaslighting. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Carfacemandog

Stop... Stop... You're killing me here! 🤣🤣🤣

OMM 0000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845174#Comment_117845174

You claimed the virus spreading and mutations are due to the unvaccinated, and when I pointed out this is false you moved the goal posts and are now trying to pretend I'm the one who was misleading people.

What's wrong with you?

OMM 0000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845143#Comment_117845143

OK figured out a workaround for ignoring people who have their profile set to private.

Ignore and then unignore a random person. It'll bring you to a page when you can manually ignore people by typing their username.

This website is really unusable if you're forced to see the posts from extremist / unhappy / unwell folks.

Snake Plisken

Fair play to Joe managing to get out of the Covid so fast, something in the cocktail he took worked also love how the moronic media tried to make him look sick and on death's door from his Instagram post they hate him and his success!

BobHopeless

Like really who cares. If he wants to take horse drugs, if he wants to get vaccinated or not, if he wants to get stoned on his podcasts it's his own body and life. Personally im fully vaccinated and i wear masks when required that's my choice. Why can't people just except others are free to make their own choice?

BobHopeless

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845290#Comment_117845290

The site is a complete mess and impossible to navigate now. Ireland football game the other night and impossible to find a thread to talk about the match. Ireland's leading discussion forum my arse.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845275#Comment_117845275

:)

So you have reading and comprehension problems on top of everything else. I'm not surprised in the least to be honest.

So one more time, slowly this time, I'm going to post back to you EXACTLY what you yourself said.... Ready??

"The reason the virus is mutating and continuing to spread has nothing to do with the unvaccinated"

That comment is lies. It's factually incredibly wrong.

So I'm going to post again my response, just so you don't continue to go misrepresenting what I said.

The unvaccinated are the singular biggest reason for the vaccine mutations, and not being vaccinated is the singular biggest cause of transmission.

So for the last time, stop telling lies

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845326#Comment_117845326

Because it's a cult. You have to agree with everything they say or they'll completely spazz out.

There are of course alternative treatments for covid, with time there will be plenty more. That's up to individuals themselves to either partake in the vaccine or not. The vaccine isn't a cure for it.

I personally chose to have the vaccine. I hate being bashed by people who think I'm an idiot for doing so. It has to go both ways, if someone doesn't want it, so be it.

growleaves

Rogan did not take a drug for horses.

Ivermectin has been prescribed for humans in 3.5 billion doses in the last few decades.

I don't have any prejudice in favour of Ivermectin, I know next to nothing about it.

However when you see people using partisan talking points/memes as if Ivm was a us-them political issue, I know that *those people* (though not necessarily others) have a prejudice against it rather than some scienticifically dispassionate objection.

They should stick to the facts. Jokes/partisanship look way more suss than they probably even realise.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845341#Comment_117845341

To be fair, both positions are a tad simplistic. This is not a simple either/or question. Vaccination is very important. It clearly reduces serious illness and death in the vaccinated population and is a major tool in fighting this pox. However as I said earlier the current crop of vaccines are leaky. They do reduce transmission(good thing), but they certainly don't reduce it enough as this virus is still spreading at that lower rate in the vaccinated(bad thing). Now because of the higher rate of transmission in the unvaccinated population you will certainly have a higher chance of new variants emerging as the more cycles of reproduction the more mutations which will give rise to new strains. On the other hand; of the two groups, the vaccinated and the unvaccinated, in which group is the virus more likely to select for a variant that bypasses the vaccines?

Dempo1

I've kind of lost count of the amount of right wing Conservative, commentators, radio hosts and generally delusional celebrities not just in the US who've caught Covid after pretty much denying its existence and by default been anti vaccine. I sympathise with them, in more ways than one

humberklog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845435#Comment_117845435

Just to point out that JR isn't right wing, isn't a Covid denier and has stated he's pro vaccine.*

*He has said if a fit 20 year old asked him if he needed to be vaxed he'd say no. Some read that as Anti Vax others don't.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845565#Comment_117845565

I stand corrected albeit whilst perhaps not right wing, certainly Conservative, I was making a general point re High profile commentators. I took him as being not fully accepting of the existence of Covid or at a minimum its affects. I do take your point about vaccines but again a general comment about Conservative Commentators.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845421#Comment_117845421

The issue is that while you have two populations of vaccinated and unvaccinated people, they're not separate so the way the virus mutates isn't so much down to vaccinated vs unvaccinated IMO. Here in the UK at least, nobody is asking for vaccine certificates though I got mine from the NHS last week knowing I'll probably never need it. Masks and social distancing are great if used correctly but that's not really the case IME. YMMV of course.

A vaccine should of course prevent transmission. It's basically the point of vaccination because if you prevent transmission successfully in enough people, you eradicate the disease. However, covid doesn't play by the rules it would seem. Therefore, I would argue that the current batch of vaccines with their short lived protection, two-shot administration and limited effect on transmission are better than nothing.

If the vaccines did work perfectly and provided sufficient protection, we'd still have anti-vaxxers doing their thing regardless. It doesn't make a difference how good the vaccine is or isn't, the hucksters would still be singing the virtues of bleach, sheep de-wormer or whatever.

Brian?

He looks sick in both.

The problem is that there is a big correlation between those in the US who believe that unproven (Ivermectin has shown no evidence of either helping to prevent or treat Covid in 14 trials - NY Times Sep 2) treatments like Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine (yes some still believe in it amazingly and Trump and Fox news are still pushing it in 2021) and those who have refused to get the Vaccine.

Trump himself recently released a list of things “they are now admitting I was right about” that included, with no qualification, “Hydroxychloroquine works.”

Not surprisingly it's mainly Trump supporters here both not taking the proven vaccines and believing in the "alternative" treatments.

So Rogan pushing Ivermectin by saying that he took it and is fine now is just fuelling the fire.

More unvaccinated people amongst his 13 million Instagram followers will die of Covid in the US

99.2% of the people who died from Covid in the US in June were unvaccinated people.

ancapailldorcha

He'll be fine though. He'll have the best healthcare that money can buy. If a few of his followers have to bite the bullet so he can keep making money then so be it.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845630#Comment_117845630

You do know he's advising people to avail of the vaccine? He's not a covid denier or anti vaxx, why do you persist with this line?

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845654#Comment_117845654

I don't recall accusing him of covid denial. Yesterday, you accused me of wanting him dead so I think I'm going to ignore your fake nonsense from here on.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845680#Comment_117845680

You said some of his followers will die because he didn't take the vaccine. That's wild. I told you that hes telling people to get the vaccine...but looks like you're having trouble accepting that and want to spout shìte anyway.

BobHopeless

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845352#Comment_117845352

It does go both ways, i see more bashing of people who decide not to take the vaccine than those that do. Personally i couldn't give a hoot. I looked at the science and decided it's all good, others decided it's not. I view everyone as an individual capable of making their own decisions.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845703#Comment_117845703

I have friends and family members not taking the vaccine for all sorts of nonsense reasons. Their bodies, their choices AFAIC. My problem is with people spreading disinformation. Everyone needs to be vaccinated IMO but not at the cost of individual liberty

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845591#Comment_117845591

Thats exactly what I thought and possibly even more so with the unfiltered redface

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845831#Comment_117845831

Yeah, it's bizarre. He has only ever voted Democrat, never Republican.

He has a mixture of views, which some people simply wrap their heads around. Almost everyone is in their camps now and are so incredibly predictable. I don't like Rogan but I do like that he can critically think about things for himself.

The most interesting and genuine people in life are the ones you have to talk to before you know their opinion on something. The most worthless conversations are with the predictable ones whose views you can Google.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845565#Comment_117845565

So did he get the vaccine then?

humberklog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117847964#Comment_117847964

Dunno.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117848030#Comment_117848030

So you know he is pro vaccine despite comments he made suggesting against s people getting the vaccine and you are unsure of whether he actually got the vaccine.

Well that's an intertesting take.

humberklog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117848090#Comment_117848090

I've listened to a few of his podcasts where he's said he's pro vax.

As I've already said- he did say that if a young healthy asked him he needs to take the vax he'd say no. And like I said- some people read that as anti vax and other's don't.

It's not that interesting a take.

It's been done to death on another thread over on Podcasts. The debate quickly becomes circular and very uninteresting.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117848138#Comment_117848138

I think the guy is an imbecile who loves the sound of his own voice so don't listen to his podcasts. And so far all I have is your word that he is pro vaccine despite you agreeing he made anti vaccine comments.

And he is certainly of the age where the vaccine would have been available to him so it is intertesting your are certain he is pro vaccine with no real evidence to that effect.

eagle eye

It's a sad world when people are listening to an idiot like Joe Rogan.

steddyeddy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845697#Comment_117845697

I have to laugh with your "I told you he's telling people to get the vaccine" comment. So we should ignore the fact that he advised young people not to get the vaccine because you told us he said the opposite.

humberklog

Here's a quote from an Entertainment mag that quotes Joe Rogan...

On Thursday's episode of his popular show The Joe Rogan Experience, Rogan insisted that he isn't against vaccines. "This whole thing, this people being upset at me, I'm not an anti-vax person," he said. "In fact, I said I believe they're safe and I encouraged many people to take them. My parents were vaccinated. I just said, 'I don't think if you're a young healthy person that you need it.'"

So, as said, some take the line about "young healthy" people not needing the vax as evidence that Joe is Anti- Vax and others don't share that opinion.

Rothko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117845187#Comment_117845187

He uses the word gaslighting like how you use the word bigot.

Hyperbollix

The problem with the US is "personal freedom to choose" overrides every other consideration. Which is why someone like Rogan, who is pretty level headed on a number of topics, still can't resist making the simple process of getting vaccinated against a deadly virus, into a thing.

If a cure for cancer was discovered and the US govt passed a law making it mandatory to go into your town hall to get a jab which would prevent you from ever getting the disease, they'd be a huge backlash from people who want the right to choose to get cancer and die from it in the future. The country is just beyond parody at this point.

Hococop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849575#Comment_117849575

As if it would get that far, guarantee if it was democrats or republican in power whoever tried to pass it opposition would just block it

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837296#Comment_117837296

It's very interesting watching prominent Republican politicians in the States go so hard on this anti-mask, anti-lockdown, pro-choice (towards getting the vaccine) stance. Sure, it may play well for them in the short term, but this just goes to show how short-sighted the whole power game is. Do they not realise that the people more likely to listen to this type of messaging are their own voters? And therefore those would be the ones who could be killed or otherwise incapacitated in greater number? And, perhaps most important for the career politician, would lose them votes and maybe therefore elections?

ohnohedidnt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849575#Comment_117849575

Personal freedom to choose, is what separates us from places like China and North Korea. The problem with allowing the government to choose what's best for you is that they don't know where to draw the line. If everybody falls in line and gets the vaccine for a virus which is extremely unlikely to kill anybody young and healthy, then why not keep going? The virus kills old people, and sick people, but driving disproportionally kills young people so nobody should do that, studies show meat is a carcinogen and cancer kills everybody so lets get rid of that, drinking and smoking kill more people than Covid will, so they should definitely go, and so on and so on. If people allow the government to dictate your health decisions, it's a slippery slope to ending up like China, where you're told by the government what times you're allowed to play video games and how men should dress and act on TV (That's just this weeks new rules). I know people will call me a conspiracy theorist or something, despite the numerous countries around the world where too much power has been given to government and the people pay the price.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849567#Comment_117849567

Hilarious, but completely untrue.