If the DUP collapse Stormont...

McMurphy

So those who refuse to adapt and accept any new democratically chosen new landscape could be offered assisted passage to Britain = "kick them out" ?

Your post is just disingenuous shìt stirring. Go away.

ittakestwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117889591#Comment_117889591

And what happens under the GFA when the majority in the North vote for a UI? Do you think the North should be gerrymandered again to give unionists a separate territory where they form the majority and screw the people who want to be part of a UI in that territory. Thankfully the GFA does not allow this and any attempt to create a new NI breaks the GFA. Also when London washs it's hand of Ireland it will never want any part back. In a UI we will all start to quickly identify as, Irish like we did when united within the UK. The 20th century apartheid will die out and we will revert to being one homogeneous people again who govern themselves independently.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117890441#Comment_117890441

You see, I don't think a majority in the North will ever vote for a UI. I think an independent Northern Ireland member of both the EU and the Commonwealth is actually more likely, but the combined probability of both is less than 10%. The border with the North is now nearly the oldest unchanged border in Europe, which says a lot about the long-term stability. Countries have come and gone since partition and there are now as many differences between North and South as there are similarities.

We will never be one homogenous people again - that was the type of ideology that was defeated in WWII. There is a British identity on this island, and it will always be with us. As for the 20th century apartheid, that is already gone, except in areas such as education, where it is the Sinn Fein party in the North who have worked hardest to preserve the sectarian approach.

Junkyard Tom

There will be no re-partition of the northern part of our country and there will be no sham independence either to keep the United Ireland haters in the south happy, the days of appeasing you lot are over.

ittakestwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117890581#Comment_117890581

All your first paragraph is subjective. That border is not stable. show me two other countries in Europe that have an international peace agreement where one of the terms is how the border will be ended . And we have seen from Brexit that it cant even be a hard border. The Irish nation has to flow freely effectively limiting the meaning of the border.

''We will never be homogeneous'' why? we were Irish pre partition and in a UI we will start to identify as just Irish again. Also as time goes on and the apartheid slowly ends there will be more inter marrying between green and orange...the products of this will not identify as british. Time is very much on a UI side.

''There will always be a british identity on Ireland'' just like there will always be an Irish identity in Britain or the US. The British idenity just means they are identifying as coming from Britain? I don't mind any foreign identity on Ireland whether it be polish or british. What is your point? perhaps in the case of a UI we could give the 5th July a bank holiday to celebrate all the foreign identities in Ireland

In a United Ireland there would be more Polish or Brazilians than Unionists!

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117890781#Comment_117890781

That is such old thinking around identity.

As for time being very much on a UI side, I have heard the same since the early 1970s, and it is no nearer.

ittakestwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117890804#Comment_117890804

Again that is your subjective view and not one that polls are showing or even of peoples opinion in the North of which the majority think will happen in the next 20 years. Your post are always hypocritical too. You think the idea of a UI is nationalistic but the idea of the north staying part of the UK is not..... both are as nationalistic as each other Blanch.

BTW i dont think unionists are foreign to Ireland as they are from Ireland. I think they're Irish like their grandparents would have said. But this idea of getting offended to be called irish when your factually from Ireland whilst also getting offended at then being called foreigner to Ireland is hypocritical. Ireland is not Britain. Either you are from Ireland and therefore can be referred to as Irish or you are not from Ireland and thus a foreigner to Ireland.

Charles Babbage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117890581#Comment_117890581

OK, then exactly what differences are there between Belcoo and Blacklion, other than those created by partition itself? Or between Carrickmacross and Crossmaglen, if you prefer. Or you could try Strabane and Lifford. Elucidate us, please, we await with interest.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117891990#Comment_117891990

UI has less support than Scottish independence as an example and the latter doesn't seem all that close in reality. I think people are far too optimistic of it happening any time soon - it is a massive change and generally there needs to be a swell of sustained support for those and we are nowhere near that. The idea of that collapse of Stormont might lead in a "hop, skip and a jump to a United Ireland" just seems disconnected from reality. Though maybe I'm misjudging what the OP meant by the phrase.

No SoS is going to call a referendum until there is a sustained period of greater than 50% support.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117890144#Comment_117890144

Well most of us are not stupid, we can read between the lines in what you are actually saying, which is actually one of the first steps to ethnic cleansing.

If a population with a unique and separate culture doesn't like their future, they can lump it and move.

History is littered with such examples of such talk, where it never ended well. We should be beyond such talk of Irish nationalist supremecy.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117892325#Comment_117892325

100% Correct. People seem to think it's a given and foregone conclusion when it's decades off at best. The continued Balkanisation of the debate by the DUP and SF don't help matters. If SF really wants a UI, they should STFU for a decade or two about it and reform themselves from their PIRA/Criminal past. Get past the land grab mentality.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117890804#Comment_117890804

It's obviously closer to happening than at any point in the last 50 years, since it's being openly discussed in the mainstream. Brexit is going to force a reckoning one way or the other.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117892975#Comment_117892975

It was discussed in the mainstream 50 years ago as well!!! And nothing happened.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117892952#Comment_117892952

It is incredible that people still come up with that sort of thinking in this day and age. Here, look, a few thousands pounds, put your belongings on your back and be on your way. Stunning lack of empathy, stunning lack of cop-on, a really really stupid proposal.

Every time it has been suggested on here, it has been chased out of town as the most ignorant proposal to address the NI problem, yet it still surfaces every now and again. It says it all about the poisonous nature of the exclusionary Irish nationalist ideology.

Have these posters learned nothing from the millions of people displaced in Afghanistan, Syria, the former Yugoslavia, Rwanda and many, many more and all they want to do is add to the toll of misery of displaced people who will yearn for their home. Do they not realise that to Ulster unionists, Ulster is their home??

McMurphy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117892952#Comment_117892952

My post was quite clear, when the time comes to unite the island, those who identify themselves as British will have their rights to identify as British protected, and their will most likely be concessions on either side to facilitate folk In a new United island.

The belligerent unionists, the lads who won't ever be happy in anything other than a partitioned state could be offered assisted passage to relocate to Britain.

I see what's happening here, not content with the failure at trying to wedge in the obvious spurious homophobic accusations in a different thread, aim for a sectarian one in this thread...

"Ethnic cleansing" your hoop.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117891990#Comment_117891990

You see, it doesn't matter that you think that unionists are Irish like their grandparents, it matters what they think. They think they are British and they are entitled to their identity. You trying to deny them is just another example of exclusionary nationalism at its worst.

What you and others don't realise is that 100 years have passed and a person from Northern Ireland is entitled to say that they are not Irish, and that they are British and that Northern Ireland is their home. We explicitly recognised this in the GFA, which some of you seem to have forgotten.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893502#Comment_117893502

Would you support assisted passage for nationalists to Ireland at the moment?

This is all getting a bit general and off the point. The collapse of Stormont in the grand scheme of things means almost nothing. The biggest impact of the last collapse was probably the alignment of NI laws re marraige and abortion with the rest of the UK. Brexit and the DUP actions have probably increased the long term likelihood of reunification and potentially shortened the timetable. But we are still talking decades and it is still far from certain.

McMurphy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893529#Comment_117893529

I wasn't around the first time it happened, and dont believe a return to those times will ever happen.

https://www.rte.ie/archives/exhibitions/1042-northern-ireland-1969/1048-august-1969/320459-refugees-arrive-from-northern-ireland/

Catholics fleeing from violence arrive south of the border in Dundalk, Co. Louth. The report shows people at the train station where women and nuns provide them with assistance in the form of food and clothing.

https://www.thejournal.ie/northern-refugees-ireland-state-papers-1820942-Dec2014/

There's actually posts on this very forum where one poster still refers to people originally from the north as "refugees" btw.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893604#Comment_117893604

So you were horrified at Catholics and nationalists fleeing Northern Ireland fifty years ago, but you have no problem with "assisted displacement" of British people from their homes now.

Fifty years is a long time to refuse to learn.

McMurphy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893914#Comment_117893914

Assisted passage (assisted relocation/migration)

not assisted displacement.

Ask the hundreds of thousands of expats who availed of assisted passage to Australia and New Zealand back in the day if they had "assisted displacement" and stop wasting everyone's time being deliberately obtuse for Christ sake.

The fact that you are deliberately twisting words to say what you want them to say, suggests you know what you're at here (shîit stirring and deliberately misrepresenting) tells me all I need to know about you and your motives.

If you can't argue your point honestly, do it dishonestly.

I'll know better next time.

NEXT.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893951#Comment_117893951

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Pound_Poms

"But upon arrival, migrants were placed in basic migration hostels and the expected job opportunities were not always readily available."

That would work all right, not.

Stop digging.

RandomViewer

See Boris scrapped his tunnel across the sea idea,

Junkyard Tom

Unionism's historic hatred of the concept of the self-determination of the Irish people (of which they were/are) and its morphing into a pseudo-British counter-culture is meeting with its high noon. 'Smash Sinn Fein' used to be the DUP's mantra...

now SF is the largest party in our country (including the northeastern enclave) and belligerent Unionism doesn't know how to deal with it.

blackcard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893604#Comment_117893604

Are nuns not women also?

padd b1975

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893502#Comment_117893502

Stop digging Oswald FFS.

McMurphy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117896905#Comment_117896905

Have you a point you would like to try and get across, or perhaps counter one of mine pad, or are you here to just act the seagull?

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893502#Comment_117893502

Talking about a fund, any fund to ship off belligerent Unionists back to Britain is a version of White Irish Supremecy. Like it or not, they were born on this Island and have been here for hundreds of years. This is their home as much as yours.

Its Ethnic Cleansing 101.

https://ksr.hkspublications.org/2019/11/12/the-ruse-of-repatriation-why-the-current-efforts-to-repatriate-the-rohingya-back-to-myanmar-will-fail/

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117897794#Comment_117897794

Mark, they just don’t get this, they actually think their modern version of ethnic cleansing is a good idea.

hawley

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