What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119562780#Comment_119562780

There is good news and bad news.

The bad news is there is no real good news.

The good news is that the powers that be could care less about your carbon capture but at least they are not beating you with a stick.

youllbemine

Those credits aren't for lowly peasents like farmers to claim. I'd also be very wary of selling anything credit related until there is clarity and transparity in the market. Might be worth a lot but you could be scuppered if the wrong contract is signed.

K.G.

Alot of discussion about buying for next year maybe it's this year we should be buying for.the country is fairly hungry looking around here at the moment and silage has been eaten into.if we don't get a good back end fellas could be in trouble before the fert window opens next year

Grueller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119563274#Comment_119563274

A couple of good wet days would do a lot to change that too. Might not be just fert needed.

kevthegaff

I'm not gona spread for a few days, be worried of run off after big downfalls

Jonnyc135

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119562860#Comment_119562860

My felling is the care very much about it and are using the EPA and the EU ETS to sell them out from under me, the state wins big and farmers like us yet again will bare the brunt.

I don't think this is legal if it is the case, it not like the right for gold that if you find some on your land the state can claim it, gold went back to the Romans era, CO2 sequestration is only around the last 10 years or so, so doubt anything in the land ownership rights documents have anything on who has the right to them. I will try find this out too.

Neddyusa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119557905#Comment_119557905

I'm afraid that's all true, but you can take the "almost" word out of the sentence.

In fact, unless you're milking cows off the grass grown, paying anything over €500/t for fert is just being a busy fool.

older by the day

We have always been busy fools, dairy farmers working 365 days a year. The Jewish slaves in Egypt were getting a few days now and again. I would not be putting thrust in FF FG and the greens to help with fertilizer prices. Michael Collins TD asked Leo last Feb in the dail about fert prices. Leo said it was a good thing as it would lower usage. They don't give a shiiite about farm families

Jonnyc135

Here's the link to the EU Emissions Trading System, anyone interested have a gauk through the transaction for Ireland and even look at the transactions coming into Ireland. Airlines are by far the biggest buyers alone with the some big Banking heavies (Goldman Sachs), even Gazprom that are transferring them too them.

https://ec.europa.eu/clima/ets/account.do

alps

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119563677#Comment_119563677

Leave out the dairy lads from that busy fool bit because they have made a chit load of money this year, and do well most other years as well.

This narrative has now become the stick to beat us with. Cara Augustenborg was able to trot out this narritive on Countrywide this mkrning, saying expansion has not served farmers well from a profitability point of view, which is fundamentally not true. Its the narritive now used by the "reasonable" environmentalists as to why we need to reduce stock numbers.

alps

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119563703#Comment_119563703

Thanks for the link.

Where can you find transaction details? Most of these accounts are closed..many since pre 2015..why would that be?

Say my name

Just switched on and off Sky News.

There was a junior environmental news slot with children interviewing children with vox pops.

Switched off because vegans now have children on Sky News telling other children to give up animal products re "to save the animals" and "help climate change".

It started in Nazi germany indoctrinating the youth, continued in rashist russia to present day and is now in the western world with vegan ideology in primary school age children.

Even see our Cara Augustenberg at Johnstown Castle praising the oat "milk" available, on Twitter, then talking down the board showing the data presented showing soil carbon sequestration on dairy farms, and then today on Countrywide saying there's a campaign from farmers to divide environmentalists from farmers. All the while, while coming out on air, the country is "swimming in cattle slurry".

What's going to happen is children into adults will grow with more health problems than ever before. Won't be capable of independant thought. Will expect everything to be provided for. Our farms will become like the tillage ballycarney water catchment area. No life in soil. Ditches cut the scut. Round up every year with whatever else herbicide and pesticide. Nitrates in the water up to the 6's. Feck all carbon via all this cultivation. But we'll be happy as it confers with our self appointed environmentalists views on the ideal.

Crazy World.

I see it mentioned elsewhere. "What do you call an environmentalist who likes cows and has an interest in soil health?" Answer; a farmer.

Doubt the way the discussion is going from our crop of self appointed enviros, that that view will be challenged.

Jonnyc135

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119563939#Comment_119563939

You can use the filters drop down menus for the transactions and accounts most of the big companies still active. The tabs are on the left hand side then the drop down menus come up centre page.

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119563818#Comment_119563818

What leverage has Germany over Ukraine to get them to cede to Putin, the sum of f**k all, and their actions to date have made all the Eastern European countries under no illusion that Germany would gladly let Putin roll into their lands uncontested once the had cheap gas.....

The g7 agreeing on a price cap for Russian oil going forward is going to be interesting that's what really keeps the Russian economy ticking over not Gas into Germany

yosemitesam1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119565291#Comment_119565291

Germany would want to figure out what it's strategy actually is. The way things are going Europe would be better off to ship weapons to Putin instead of Ukraine...

We're heading into a massive economic collapse for what, just to say we stuck it to Putin and helped boost the profits on their commodity exports.

If anything talk of the oil price cap will make things a lot worse and it's scary that politicians don't seem to acknowledge this.

Tonynewholland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119563274#Comment_119563274

They should also allow fertiliser out until 1st of October. Could help where alot of silage is being fed.

Gawddawggonnit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119566378#Comment_119566378

Interesting times.

34.5% AN is €880 ex works which works out at €930 delivered. Payment up front. Delivery next January.

Funny that clover sales for cover cropping has risen by 3200% and vetches by 1100%. Indicative of a swing away from wheat etc and a switch to maize etc?

They don’t need a lot of N, and there’s absolutely no hope of an Ag minister throwing a grant about.

The time is coming around fast where the Germans make a decision of whether they’re slaves to Putin or plunge themselves and a lot of Europe into a a very cold dark winter. Funny how fragile the great Germanic industrial complex actually is.

Fragile indeed.

Gawddawggonnit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119567407#Comment_119567407

What manufacturing economy?

Without chape gas they’re nothing. Likewise without the auld tax haven economy, Ireland is nothing. Likewise Holland, Luxembourg etc etc

Everything is always fine until the tide drops.

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119567388#Comment_119567388

How's the French maize harvest looking now, I thought a good chunk of it was severely damaged due to the heatwaves and lack of rain

Gawddawggonnit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119567449#Comment_119567449

Fcuked.

Starting Monday, around 6 weeks early.

Sunnies harvest finished today. It’ll leave enough of a buffer to take the pain of a shyte maize harvest, hopefully.

Gawddawggonnit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119567541#Comment_119567541

Hard to say really. The US absolutely love this proxy war…military industrial complex thriving, Russia getting a whuppin, and no yanks dying. Perfect.

I’d never underestimate the ability of the Germans to compete…but does that include a capitulation to the Rooskies, especially when the yanks really love this war so much? Hard one to call. We’ll know more by February when the pressure is on. Interesting times.

Tonynewholland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119567569#Comment_119567569

Nothing much will change come February. The US aren't going to pull the plug at this stage. They seem to have been one step ahead from the start of this war. Happy to slowly wear Putin down.

yosemitesam1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119567388#Comment_119567388

I think the whole European economy is built on a base of competitively priced commodities being shipped from Russia.

We can be in that position without being slaves to Russia, just have to acknowledge that Ukraine bears no strategic value to us while Russia is very useful. So they aren't really worthy of us collapsing our whole economy for them.

It's not as if they're going to keep coming west after Ukraine. So the pragmatic thing to do would be beef up nuclear, build a few lng terminals, maybe develop some of France's big fracked gas reserves and if they really thought putting was still such a threat throw a bit of money at some shiny new weapons.

At the minute the war costs the US nothing, maybe turns a nice profit for them. Russia is probably in break even territory, plus or minus a bit. But will probably cost the EU several hundred billion to a trillion plus, while Ukraine is already gone over a trillion in costs and has no future bar it receives vast amounts of money from the EU and us, where will that money come from as we seem to be heading into a major worldwide downturn...

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568050#Comment_119568050

Ukraine can be of huge strategic importance. They are an extremely resource rich country.

https://www.businesstoday.in/amp/latest/world/story/are-ukraines-vast-natural-resources-a-real-reason-behind-russias-invasion-323894-2022-02-25

Its unknown the cost to Russia at this point. Their economy will not recover fast.

The cost to Europe does seem huge but if it gets Europe off Russian Gas quickly and Putin can be stopped then it may be cheaper in the long run.

Lime Tree Farm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119567439#Comment_119567439

a Croppie's lie down attitude

Likewise for French arms export industry to middle East, India, including sales to Russia last March despite 2014 embargo.

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568050#Comment_119568050

If oil prices tank which would be a certainty if like you predict the European economy crashes, and with China about to suffer a Irish style banking collapse built on the back of their property ponzi the Ripple effects of this would lead to contagion in all markets.....

If oil revenues dry up and they shut the gas off to Europe what has Putin left to fund his empire building escapades, given he's destroyed 15% of their annual gdp with over a 1000 mnc's leaving Russia since the war began

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568050#Comment_119568050

What a load of rubbish you have written there once again. Why do you really think russia are in the Donbass and were trying to control the whole of the black sea coast?

The solution is a defeated Russia. End of.

Gawddawggonnit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568252#Comment_119568252

Oh yea…French/Uk arms industry do love their wars, and the massive profits that follow.

Gawddawggonnit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568423#Comment_119568423

Delende est Carthago…

Gawddawggonnit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568050#Comment_119568050

I wouldn’t agree on dropping Ukraine like a hot turd to fend for themselves against the Russians.

However European industry, including agriculture, is now going to be one of the least competitive exporters in the world…and could even face serious social upheaval. Then Putin wins, doesn’t he?

Classic catch 22.