What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266309#Comment_118266309

There isn't a hope in hell fertilizer will be cheaper this side of May than now.

Staying the same will be a good news story.

tanko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266353#Comment_118266353

You could well be right but this time last year the price of beef was supposed to go through the floor at midnight on December 31st because of Brexit and stay there for ever more, look how that turned out. Its hard to know what to believe these days.

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266350#Comment_118266350

Yeah chopped, and mix through a tub feeder with the hulls, you'd have it in the pit clamped and all for circa 75 euro a ton at 30% dm if you can get the beet for 50 euro a ton washed and chopped, you have to make a dome when clamping it you can't drive on it just form your dome and pat it down with the bucket....

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266353#Comment_118266353

There's a lot more fertiliser stock in Ireland than is currently let on.

Was paying a bill this evening with someone who'd have a lot of contacts with farmers and agribusiness. Just mentioned the cooney furlong clip. He replied there's another sizeable amount of fert somewhere else. Reckoned it'll be very shortly now a drop in the thrown around figures being paid for fert will happen.

People lost the run of themselves.

We'll see.

Easten

While Europe was preaching going green and moving away from hydrocarbons the Russians, Saudis and Iranians have cornered the Gas market. It's absolute madness that this has happened. With less than 7% of our territorial waters undergone exploration Ireland still has enough Gas reserves at the moment to supply itself for the next 70 years. There's still huge Gas reserves in the North Sea, but again it's these stupid Green policies whereby Hydrocarbons are bad for the environment so we must only develop green energy but it's ok for the Russians and the likes of Iranians who couldn't give two fcuks about global warming to pump away

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266390#Comment_118266390

Record high worldwide nitrogen prices and you reckon its just Irish merchants playing the cute hoor, any fertiliser sourced on the market from late September onwards isnt going to be bought for any less then prices quoted on here, unless suppliers want to bankrupt themselves...

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266425#Comment_118266425

Spot on. Short memories has caused our "leaders" to go soft in the head. Totally brainwashed by a minority of fluffy brained eco warriors.

straight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266374#Comment_118266374

Just heard today that for all the talk of beef prices we are only now back to the price it was at in 2013. And obviously costs are substantially more. Also Irish beef prices are lagging way behind European prices as usual. They will have to pay the farmer more to ensure their supplies because without the farmer they're all finished.

kevthegaff

Paying for fertiliser now or pay for fert 3 months after april/may suits me better

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266390#Comment_118266390

The thing is that the leap in prices globally are bigger than what we have seen here.

Ammonia is 10 times more expensive to produce now than in the spring.

Our Fertlilizer demand is a drop in the ocean. There will be no shortage of countries to buy at these prices and further.

It's cheaper here than elsewhere and globally it is continuing to rise. Countries that haven't a pot to p,,, in are buying Urea at prices higher than here.

Add in that natural gas prices are rapidly rising again this week.

A small yard in Wexford with 10k tonnes isn't going to change anything.

Price drops for inputs are already coming in for next Summer and may well cascade then but the prices for the spring are already locked in, natural gas is priced for months at time, that's set now.

Fertilizer will be very dear next year but it will be got, probably a full pallet at a time, rather than the lorry load out.

Plenty of silage, it might end up being fed as a buffer well into the year.

Food may well be at the start of a super price cycle up.

The fertilizer crisis and it's impact on food prices globally might be the big story of the decade, the fallout may well be brutal.

Easten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266493#Comment_118266493

Was watching the marts online today and the only thing I could think was how sh1t prices for cattle are. Every other thing is gone mad dear, the prices lads are getting for cattle wouldn't play for the inputs. At 2013 prices!! j.c. that was in the middle of the crash and that's the level the prices are?

It's as simple as this, at current cattle prices you'd need to be getting the fertilizer for no more than 200 a ton, and even then the other inputs will take the profit away

tanko

Spring for lots of farmers is April or maybe May, i’ll just sell bullocks and heifers in Jan that i’d normally keep until the Autumn and buy feck all fertiliser.

Dunedin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266017#Comment_118266017

Spread the slurry around more, a bit of meal on grass maybe, Sell stock, sell sites, sell the farm, plant it, go organic, lease it, go into chickens, go contracting, open a car wash.

Haven’t fully decided yet but won’t be paying them prices.

alps

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266311#Comment_118266311

If bulking up your order could be of any help...don't be shy in asking for back up😄

Birdnuts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266425#Comment_118266425

With the Eamon Ryan types its all about token gestures and greenwash that makes FA difference to any environmental issue - as illustrated by your example above in regards to our shambolic energy policies.

kevthegaff

What is the best value atm?

K.G.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266390#Comment_118266390

I just wonder are the companies using the situation to change the financing of fertiliser and move it on to the farmer and away from the importer/distributer by getting it paid for on order

yosemitesam1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266311#Comment_118266311

Could make your own also. Sodium hydroxide and sulfuric acid is all you need

cjpm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267449#Comment_118267449

Go for it. Sure what’s the worst that could happen…..

alps

There no conspiracy here. Gas is not available to make fertiliser.

What gas is available in Europe is prioritised to electricity generation and heating for the winter.

Worldwide Urea is trading wholesale at $1000 plus..

Consider that yard in Bellview...every move in price of €100 per tonne equates to €1,000,000

Each boatload contains somewhere around 4,000 tonnes...€4,000,000

No importer is going to risk committing that amount of money without being guaranteed that they can cover themselves.

Farmers have a decision to make...back the retailers/wholesalers for each import order, or sit and wait until factories restart and product flows through normally.

Either decision might be correct for you farm...but farmers need to make that decision.

Gawddawggonnit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118263136#Comment_118263136

Pm sent.

mahoney_j

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267467#Comment_118267467

Excellent synopsis alps 👍👍

yosemitesam1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267460#Comment_118267460

As long as your careful with it and wear some ppe. There isnt anything really to go wrong, it's no more dangerous than when lads used be using acid on silage.

All that's actually going on is lignin and hemicellulose bonds get ripped apart by the high pH of the sodium hydroxide. Then they are forced back together in a different way when the pH is reversed to the other extreme.

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267337#Comment_118267337

Nothing absolutely nothing ..... except maybe milk

alps

If urea can be got at €1000, it will cost us 2.2c/l over what it cost for 2021.

I've no idea how that translates for livestock lads, but fellas should do the sums..

The combined price rises are likely to add up to a significant bill, but getting yourself into a panic knot without having the sums done is pointless..

hopeso

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266549#Comment_118266549

The potential problem there is that more farmers will make the same decision, or be forced to make it, resulting in everyone selling and no one buying....

Dunedin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118269479#Comment_118269479

Unfortunately not that simple for beef farmers as dangerous game to plan much based on beef prices. Prices are ok at the minute at circa €4.20 but last year they hit €3.60 and who knows what 2022 will bring.

SuperTortoise

At the sort of money being talked about there will be zero put out here next year, simply can't afford to, sucklers are'nt even a break even enterprise as things stand.

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118270134#Comment_118270134

This also. Try and stretch the slurry as best can. Buying a pallet of 18-6-12 and spending 2k on it is not palatable.

Would prefer the 7-8 tonne of ration for the same price.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118270194#Comment_118270194

At least you'll get value out of them shi77ing the ration and it's cheaper than silage if it's a reasonable shortage.

I have a group of cattle I was going to kill in December I'm rolling them in to January, this year was good, soften next year but also means I'll have less in the shed and might pick up bargains.

It's a dog eat dog business, I don't like that but the hoors have to leave something if they can.

Nothing worse than a gambler with a sure fire system.😏

The thought of 3.60 again, ..... 3.60 next year would be 3.30 last year.