"Green" policies are destroying this country

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121786950#Comment_121786950

It was over six months, not a few days. Much in line with what a volcanic eruption can spew out.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121788062#Comment_121788062

Tut tut tut.

Oh what a tangled web we weave.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058211251/green-policies-are-destroying-this-country/p928

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121788954#Comment_121788954

Tut tut tut.

Oh what a little disengenious squirmer when challenged to back up repeated accusations or answer questions.

In a reply to my post (#30617) you accused me of posting incorrect information. When challenged all you could offer as proof was some vague muttering on wood pellets, something which I had not even mentioned in my post. I subsequently pointed that out to you, which as usual with you when it comes to inconvenient facts was ignored, yet again here you are repeating your accusations today.

You have repeatedly shown how clueless you are on the subjects under discussion in this thread, so either put up or shut up and stop wasting peoples time with your childish antics.

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121786841#Comment_121786841

Try it in reverse as that is how it works. If other parties want to do something they have to bow to green party demands and a lot of horse trading go behind the closed door. As other poster rightly pointed it is all about the money and subsidies that is why other parties jumped on green wagon.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789570#Comment_121789570

Not really how it works, a small player in government doesn't get to pull all the strings, never has.

The other parties "jumped on the green wagon" because it is relevant at the moment and people are interested in it. If you want to deny climate change bang ahead but I doubt you will get much support outside the few on here

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789344#Comment_121789344

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121788062#Comment_121788062

To quote you

which I had not even mentioned

I provided the link. I have no interest in back & forth while you make personal comments.

Bash away on that keyboard but as I said you have been caught multiple times posting incorrect information. So saying someone else is clueless is hilarious.

"childish antics"

You should take your own advice

"You have repeatedly shown how clueless you are on the subjects"

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789899#Comment_121789899

Who is denying climate change? Big issue for debate is the scale of the policy change being railroaded through and thr cost of said policy change. Given that you are so vocal on the matter what are you doing to combat global climate change?

WishUWereHere

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121780625#Comment_121780625

What waffle is this? Lower case, upper case blah blah.

WishUWereHere

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121787006#Comment_121787006

You most certainly come across as a green apologist. Your arrogance here in reply to posters whom you disagree with knows no bounds.

FYI: I’m from Newbridge and loved the aroma of burning turf. Something that’s sadly getting scarcer & scarcer, all thanks to the green agenda.

I cannot wait for an election and a prospective candidate comes knocking on my door.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121790088#Comment_121790088

You said "pro green lobbyist", now you are talking about "green apologist"?

Can you explain both and which you are accusing people of been? Thanks

FYI both FF and FG wanted to ban turf during last government but left it till post election as they couldn't decide on how quick. The Green party of course took it up and had to bring it forward

Sinn Fein for instance don't want to stop the banning of turf, they just wanted to delay it. I think you will find similar across all parties.

So you should have a chat with all of them so.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789949#Comment_121789949

Read the post, the person claimed "As other poster rightly pointed it is all about the money and subsidies that is why other parties jumped on green wagon."

So nothing to do with climate change. So saying they are a climate change denier seems correct

A few weeks back when I mentioned carbon neutral v net zero it caused pure confusion in some of the most vocal posters on here because they hadn't a f**king clue what the difference was.

This was when I tried to explain the government had released a document on plans for the national grid, that went totally over their heads as well.

Not much of a debate is it?

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121790311#Comment_121790311

IMHO there is a seriously tenous link ( and thats being gererous) between someone saying that politicians and entrepreneurs have jumped on the climate change/renewables bandwagon in order to hoover up as much money as they can while the going is good and being labeled a climate change denie

Not sure what that means anymore tbh. Increasingly it seems it someone doesn't swallow the pulpit bashing that if we dont literally change our way of life tomorrow we'll all burn on a boiling earth next week is conveniently labelled a climate change denier. There seems to be a very simplistic binary way of thinking which basically results in 2 echo chambers at the extreme end of the spectrum of thinking on climate change. All that achieves is disillusionment among the majority who end up not having a bloody clue what needs to be done so increasingly just ignore the squabbling by politicians and experts alike.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121790714#Comment_121790714

I don’t think we will boil tomorrow, I do think we should be environmentally conscious.

I explained this before on this thread but it seems once you don’t follow the most vocal few you get called a “pro green lobbyist" or "green apologist" or any of the other long list of names they seem on twitter/web.

I honestly think the way the media have gone about the discussion is wrong and has got peoples back up but reading this thread you see the complete nonsense been spouted by some

If someone claims the only reason parties have gone the environmental route is taxes then yes to me that would be a clear sign they deny we have a climate issue.

If the actual poster has a different opinion they are more than welcome to explain the comment.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789920#Comment_121789920

If you didn`t make so much effort doubling down on your on posts and accusations when you have been clearly shown to be incorrect I wpuld almost feel sorry for you seeing you attempting to dig your way out.

You accused me of posting incorrect information in post #30617. When challenged to show what this supposed incorrecet information was, all you could come up with was some vague utterance on wood pellets. I pointed out to you that I had not even mentioned wood pellets in that post, but as per usual not happy that you had dug yourself in deep enough you ignored that and doubled down making the same allegation again.

When again challenged off you went on a trawl going back close to 3,000 posts with a link to a post on wood pellets that I had not mentioned in the post that you were accusing me of providing incorrect information in.

In fairness for sheer ineptitute alone it is one of your more amusing efforts at attempting to dig yourself out of trouble of your own making.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792170#Comment_121792170

It’s an example of the first time I seen you providing incorrect information on the threads as I explained, many more times afterwards.

Yet you claimed to have never mentioned wood pellets. Like all the other incorrect information you shared and got caught out on, same carry on. It’s embarrassing

Anyway explained enough times, Keep bashing the keyboard 👍 best of luck

and before you start some other long ranting posting insulting me, don’t bother, no interest in responding, made my point about all the incorrect information you share

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121791430#Comment_121791430

There is a lot of milage between environmentally conscious and the title of this thread, "Green" policies are destroying this country.

From your posts you appear to not know what those green policies are to achieve net zero emissions by 2050. If you do then you have gone to great pains to ignore them. They are basically nothing more than policies that would bankrupt the country while taxing the bollox off it`s citizens in doing so.

Surprising as it may seem to you, the ability to do even the most basic mathematics does not make someone a climate change denier. It makes them a realist rather than a blind follower of an ideologiy

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792255#Comment_121792255

You have been caught out here so often spoofing that you should be ashamed more than embarrassed

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792370#Comment_121792370

Why do you waste your time replying to that spoofer Clo-Clo.

cgcsb

€600 million announced for Derry motorway today. In line with spending rules that should surely mean 1.2bn more for public transport, but the enterprise service is only getting 12 million as part of the same package. Hopefully this is challenged.

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793503#Comment_121793503

Doubt it seeing as it's investment in the north

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793556#Comment_121793556

The 2:1 rule is about transport spending, there's no clause about where it is spent.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793164#Comment_121793164

Other than it being spoofers that are driving this whole green ideology that if followed will bankrupt the country, I don`t believe I owe this particular one a free ride to keep making allegations that I posted incorrect information when I did not.

Once upon a time on this forum to keep making such allegations with nothing to back them up when challenged would have resulted in at least a threadban. In my ten years here I have seen sitebans for less.

?Cee?view

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793164#Comment_121793164

Have to agree with this. Why feed the troll?

?Cee?view

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793855#Comment_121793855

Moderators won’t move against anyone who’s pro “Green” policies or “Active Travel”

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793639#Comment_121793639

Can we dictate to the NI Assembly how the money is to be spent? It reads like we're giving money for various things that was agreed between all parties. It's not just transport money, but the assembly is spending it on roads. I don't know though. Maybe yer right. Even before this money, how are we fixed on the 2:1 rule?

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charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121794731#Comment_121794731

To me it looks like a commitment made under the Good Friday Agreement rather than the 2:1 rule with it being spent in NI.

I can see the advantage to spending it on that stretch of road where it would benifit drivers from Donegal travelling south, but if you wanted to improve roads for Donegal motorists there are quite a few roads in Donegal that could do with that money.

With the DUP being the DUP there is every chance they will find a reason not to take it If they do not then Donegal should be in with a good case for getting it.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793931#Comment_121793931

In fairness to moderation they do seem to be very short on people wishing to moderate. That said, not long ago on another thread I was threatend with a ban if I posted figures showing the economic advantages of nuclear over wind energy.

Previously there was no such problem for posters picking out the most expensive nuclear options they could find and comparing them to wind, but when new figures for finished and operational nuclear plants plus quotes for others became know, along with the price for offshore wind capital costs going through the roof, suddenly comparisons were verboten.

flutered

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121786841#Comment_121786841

they can walk out of goverment and cause an election

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121790714#Comment_121790714

“Increasingly it seems it someone doesn't swallow the pulpit bashing that if we dont literally change our way of life tomorrow we'll all burn on a boiling earth next week is conveniently labelled a climate change denier.”

no serious climate scientist has ever said this. The IPCC reports are clear what needs to happen, and what the life will be like if we don’t transition away from fossil fuels. The only “convenient” thing is you exaggerating to make your weird point. Do you disagree with the latest IPCC report? What mitigation strategies do you think Ireland should pursue?