"Green" policies are destroying this country

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122279565#Comment_122279565

And every EV owner would need to apply to Eirgrid to allow connection to the grid to discharge power back in. Same as you do now for PV. And currently, Eirgrid aren't keen on much more of that (neighbour here can't connect as the infrastructure isn't in place to add more microgeneration in this area). He's wasting generated power now once his batteries are filled and his house doesn't need what's being generated

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122279362#Comment_122279362

No idea what you are on about with car batteries being storage resources or what these batteries are going to store charge for other than than the car, but I do wonder where you are going to find this "excess" capacity. But i suppose you will eventually get around to explaining it when you provide the maths showing how the hole in or projected generation requirements 2050 is going to be filled.

As I said already, no rush, in your own good time, but until you do then your post is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery within an enigma I`m afraid.

Itssoeasy

I’ve just listened back to nessa Hourigan and Ciaran Mullooly earlier on Claire Byrne and Jesus if that’s the levels of engagement from the green MEPs then it’s no wonder the Green Party aren’t held in high regard around the country. The contribution from the green MEP was poor. I felt the new MEP from MNW held his own. Nessa Hourigan lobbed in the female card which was totally uncalled for. She claimed that Ciaran Mullooly was using Nigel farage tactics. Utterly ridiculous.

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122279588#Comment_122279588

When I see stuff like this I suspect it is really vandals looking for an excuse rather than activists going with a reason.

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122279626#Comment_122279626

Nothing to do with Eirgrid unless looking for a Transmission system connection. It's the ESB that are responsible for residential and small scale connections.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122279948#Comment_122279948

These people are indeed vandals. Didn't they also throw paint at works of art in several galleries. There is indeed a touch of vandalism with the green agenda.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122280054#Comment_122280054

Basically left wing green washed ISIS like tactics to go and destroy culture

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122280054#Comment_122280054

In fairness to the vandals, when they sacked Rome, they didn't destroy any of its monuments. These people are much more awful.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122279626#Comment_122279626

Yep the electricity networks need improvements. Wind or not they will need it anyway.

saabsaab

'A large section of the government condemned the idea, the leading technical men – with a few exceptions – were antagonistic and the press was mostly hostile'

Familiar? This was the Ardnacrusha Hydro plant in the 1920s.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122279704#Comment_122279704

I heard that live and it was very telling. It started out fairly polite and even handed before Nessa just started losing the plot. She insisted on playing the man and not the ball. It was so obvious, it was stupidly ridiculous. No wonder she was kicked out of the parliamentary party. Given that the Greens are viewed poorly in rural areas, she just shredded them further.

Kincora2017

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122280573#Comment_122280573

I listened too. in fairness it degenerated after Ciarans comment about Nessa being from Dublin, which was undoubtedly a barb. She took it very personally, felt it was a put down relating to her sex and seemed to lose her cool after that. I don’t think Muloolly meant it the way she thought, but it was pretty condescending none the less.

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122280042#Comment_122280042

Yeah yer probably right. I could easily have mixed both up

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122280431#Comment_122280431

The difference being that one was to build an asset that is highly dependable when required and has lasted 100 years and no reason to think it won't last 100 more. The other will be lucky to last 25 years, will have intermittent output at random times, day or night, and will need to be decommissioned at considerable cost at that point.

Itssoeasy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122280573#Comment_122280573

there was her comment about the fact that ciaran Mulholly was only in Brussels two days, and her tone was completely unnecessary. I don’t understand why the Green Party and others who would be of like mind don’t see how poorly they come across a lot of the time. If you want people to come across to your point of view, being overly alarmist and talking down to people has never and won’t ever work, because the other won’t like being talked at, and will dig in their heels and nobody gets anywhere.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122280799#Comment_122280799

All that was not so certain at the time. Some British papers said that it was a white elephant, could never be profitable and would make more electricity than Ireland would need. Sounds familiar? Wind power will be built over 20 years so replacement won't happen all at once but bit by bit. Lucky?

'Offshore wind turbines have a lifespan of around 25 years but can be extended to 30-40 years with proper maintenance'

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122280431#Comment_122280431

Good thing the Greens were not around then, it would have been 1930 before it got built with all the objections to save the fish . . .

charlie14

It sound very fimiliar. It`s word for word what greens, (well not the Finnish green who seem to have a modicum of sense), are saying about about nuclear. Something which now actually has plants having their lifespan extended by 30 years with a capacity factor in the mid 90% percentile. For offshore turbines it`s just speculation as to how long, or even if, it would make financial sense to extend their life span beyond 20 years. Oceans have made mush of anyhing we have ever put in them. So…. basically you would looking at the same capital investment plus interest for offshore turbines every 20 year cycle ad infinitum.

The present wind plan for 2050, that will not even provide our requirements for 2050, will have a capital cost for just the offshore section of + or - €200 Billion. If that plan was in operation today we would actually have the Irish Greens Holy Grail of excess electricity and hydrogen. Problem would be that we would have nobody to buy it as they can get what they might require cheaper elsewhere, French and Swedish nuclear for two, but that would not be the major problem. That would be that thanks to the now retiring Mr Ryan we would still end up having to pay for electricity from these wind companies that we would neither need or want.

We are a country of 5 million with a capital budget for 2024 of €12.8 Billion. Anybody that thinks we can afford this kind of spend on a 20 year cycle either failed basic mathematics in national school, or is a fantasist. Possibly both.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281076#Comment_122281076

You do realise that if your capital cost is X then rebuilding every 20 years would lead you to 3X cost just to get you to an average 60 year lifetime of a nuclear plant that is already half X

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281286#Comment_122281286

Based on North sea numbers from accounts from a project that was signed up in 2010s, (pre-interest rate rise so costs are higher) you are looking at capital cost of ~€3.3 million per MW. That's with average water depth of 30 meters, prices rise as you go deeper. Since all these projects are done on debt finance, they must produce a return for investors within 8 years or the project does not happen.

https://watt-logic.com/2023/06/14/wind-farm-costs/


Mechanical wear and tear, including bearing failure is one of the most common reasons for turbines to be put out of action. In 2018 Ørsted had to take down and repair 2,000 wind turbine blades (Siemens) because the leading edge of the blades have become worn down after just a few years at sea, that was after 5 years of operation. The wind turbine arm of Siemens went bust and had to be bailed out. 25 years at sea, not likely, what government would spin that?

saabsaab

What is a fantasy is that Ireland will build a current nuclear plant! If we continue without extra wind capacity we will pay billions in carbon penalties as individuals and as a nation. Sure there are costs many will be incurred anyway as we develop our unsuitable grid network. We will spend billions in oil and gas too over 20 years.

saabsaab

Anyway a 30GW nuclear plant(s) would cost 90 to 300 Bn depending on who you believe. Then you have the waste for thousands of years which is going to cost us someway or other too.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122283762#Comment_122283762

What fantasy planet we on that Ireland will build 37GW of offshore wind with large majority being floaty kind of which there is only 200MW of research turbines in whole world by 2050

While US a country with 43x larger economy and actually has infrastructure and world leading offshore and ship construction know how is only aiming for 100GW with most of it being bottom attached

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122283832#Comment_122283832

Probably not to see ourselves alone on this but part of the EU. Nuclear is a fantasy here and not cheap either.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122283762#Comment_122283762

The fantasy is imagining you can build out electrical generation using solar and wind generation that are so unreliable, a parallel generation system must be built and maintained, For every extra unreliable megaWatt (MW) added to the grid, there must be backup. There is no such thing as a free lunch, we get billed for both systems.

You cannot hide this with inter-connectors, someone has to generate power for this to work, this creates a situation where prices are bid up for consumers in the states that can generate power reliably. Well guess what, it's dark and there is no wind in Ireland or the UK, guess how that power is generated? nuclear, gas, coal or oil.

Batteries are storage, not generators, they don't scale and can only be used to manage sudden short terms changes in supply, to give reliable generators (gas) a chance to come online. Very often these are already running in standby, burning fuel but providing no power.

To continue collecting subsidies, unreliable generators push the "green" hydrogen myth, where you take ultra-pure water. an unreliable electricity generation source and produce hydrogen gas, that must them be combined with another element before the end product is ready. The energy returned on investment makes it a non runner.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122283826#Comment_122283826

we don’t need 30GW of nuclear power for 10GW of demand

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122283868#Comment_122283868

Perhaps now but what of the future.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122283858#Comment_122283858

Another lie

France build their nuclear fleet for a quarter of a trillion thirty years ago and have been the cleanest country in eu since

Germany has spent over a trillion and on track to hit 2 trillion euros now in their Energiewende over last decade and still has electricity that’s 6x more carbon intensive than France and has to import from France for long periods of time with electricity for consumers and businesses in Germany double of France in cost

saabsaab

If we go it totally alone and generation here alone but if it is EU wide using interconnectors this would not be such an issue.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122283876#Comment_122283876

Current peak demand is about 6500mw

By 2031 they expect 37% increase that’s 8900

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/eirgrid-demand-for-electricity-to-increase-by-37-by-2031/

Unless the Greens plan to continue importing half of the worlds uneducated refugees here I don’t see how we get to 30,000 on demand by 2050