"Green" policies are destroying this country

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122359655#Comment_122359655

Maybe you can clarify what a "real storm" is?

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122359612#Comment_122359612

So the real reason is the new colour coded weather warnings and the increased reporting? Did the scientists get it wrong so? Fascinating

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122359655#Comment_122359655

Storm Eustice was the last big big one in 2022, plenty of powerful ones in 2023 as well

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122358723#Comment_122358723

This the the reason I despise the current green zealoutry. At local level it's all about being the best in the class and qualifying for the US/EU friendly pat on the head. Good auld Ireland at the vanguard of the battle combating global climate. What a load of crap

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122359576#Comment_122359576

The point isn't that the weather is irregular or dangerous, it's that it's happening more frequently and more vigorously because of the warming planet.

What metrics are you looking at that support your assertion? Back in 1839, the original village near where I grew up was washed away during an event that is known as Night of the Big Wind, a few people died. Todays village was built on higher ground. The population of the area at the time was ~7,000 people. Within a few years a fungal infestation wiped out successive years of potato crop and combined with the fall off in demand for labour in the the aftermath of the corn laws repeal, saw the population reduce through a combination or malnutrition, disease and emigration. Even in 2024 the population of the parish has never reached that density. A century prior, in 1740-41 saw the year of slaughter when frosts killed a greater portion of the Irish population.

We don't live long enough to experience the range of weather events that impact this country, so events like the 1947 freeze and the long cold winter of 1962-63 are wiped from memory as are the hurricanes that hit the country in the 1960s. There was no consistent recording of weather metrics or events prior to the 19th century, we do know that there has been variance in weather patterns on this island, the detection of the Ceide fields attest to that. Some of Eamon de Buitlear's recordings from the 80s cover how Irish landscape topology was shaped by ice ages, this was before "climate crisis" hype became the dominant media and political narrative. Back in the 80s, the scares were nuclear war, acid rain and ozone holes.

You will be hard pressed to find data to support trends in different weather patterns and you will not be able to tie them to the release of CO2 molecules at a concentration of 400 parts per million or 0.04% of the atmosphere. There is limited data available from the 19th century and it's confined to the Anglosphere (British empire and United States). Consistent recording of weather metrics only begins with the construction of airports mid-twentieth century, and satellite data only starts in the late 1960s and more specifically since 1979. Most of the advances in meteorology have come in the post world war II period, since the IPCC was founded in 1989 study has atrophied because funding is tied to maintaining the climate catastrophe narrative.

Another major change has been the communications revolution, when a cyclone happens in the bay of Bengal, it can be live-streamed, the click bait media are all over it like flies to sh!te, the eNGOs are spinning it into their climate catastrophe narrative to keep their funding going. All that is happening is cheap sensationalism, within 24 hours the media has moved on to something else, and the more impressionable among the general public are left with the impression that the world is ending.

Tony Heller gives a good overview of how such metrics are manipulated to support the climate catastrophe narrative. Dr. Ottmar Endenhofer on the thumbnail used to sit on the Irish climate quango.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8455KEDitpU

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122359709#Comment_122359709

Debbie for one 63 years ago and long before any mention of climate change.

September 1961 and still holds the record of 181 Km/h. wind speed.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122359993#Comment_122359993

I asked a specific poster, I am sure they are capable of answering on their own as they made the comment, not sure why you felt the need to butt in with another google search

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122360139#Comment_122360139

Kinda touchy aren`t you for someone who regularly jumps in on conversations with your own unsolicited comments ?

And what gives you the idea that I had to google Debbie when I actually remember it ?

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122359993#Comment_122359993

Cannot believe ya don't remember the one named after yourself. It was the first big storm I remember, namely cos the bastard ripped the covers off the silage pits which was a major blow to me as a child having to roll truck tires back onto it for the second time in a few weeks. Character building. It was an August storm, with 13 deaths attributed to it. Of course that event was a result of the hole in the ozone layer as climate change hadn't started

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122360640#Comment_122360640

I do recall Charlie and the hole in the ozone layer that was never going to close. Just get larger until radiation killed us all off. I always wondered how that story ended up, but no matter.

I particulary remember Debbie because it was the cause of my late father having to spend a lenghty time in hospital and me as a child of 5 witnessing what occured from our kitchen window, and although he lived a fairly healthy life afterwards he never fully recover.

Compared to Debbie, for me anyway, using the Met Office colour scheme I would not rate any I have lived through since much more than a decent yellow. Although it does raise a wry smile when I see some on here posting about storms that they seem to believe we have never experienced the likes off for intensity before climate change started making the news.

Charlie was a nasty bugger alright but he was more on the south and east coast than on the west and he was still only trotting after Debbie as regards wind speed.

Francie Barrett

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41432965.html

Alarmism.

jonnreeks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122359535#Comment_122359535

I agree, yesterday was dull and cloudy while today Wednesday, according to Met Eireann the best day of the week. Expect sunny spells and temperatures of 20 degrees! Wow, kids get the bucket and spades we are heading for the beach………..! 😛 and I am working from home (beach), whatever!

bluedex

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122359795#Comment_122359795

Nope, it's just highlighted more now, if you read peoples posts correctly. The weather/climate in Ireland has not changed to any noticeable degree in my lifetime, IMHO.

I believe another factor in the rise of Green Zealots is the decline in organised religion. There's still the same proportion of people who like to preach to everyone, but they are not entering religious orders now. The smug, preachy tone of the zealots compared to the considered, factual posts of other excellent posters debating with them is evident.

For example: "Did the scientists get it wrong? Fascinating." Smug and patronising without contributing anything to the debate.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122361570#Comment_122361570

Certainly in my lifetime winters have become colder and winds have become stronger so I would disagree with your honest opinion. Maybe I'm vastly older than you or maybe I just notice it more, whatever the reason both are only opinions.

I'm not sure I would compare scientists who publish climate based papers to religious preachers. One wants to highlight what will happen in the future of the planet, the other is concerned with historical figures and what will happen after we go

And no, it wasn't a smug or patronising comment, it was a genuine question. Scientists are humans too and just like you and me they get things wrong. So again I ask, did the numerous scientists who predicted climate change get it wrong?

roosterman71

Surely Met Eireann have the records for storms, wind speeds, monthly temps, rainfall, blah, blah in their hands and have it published somewhere. All the anecdotal "feelings" are fine but the real stats are there somewhere.

Mr. teddywinkles

I remember really bad lighting storms as a child that would go on a whole night. And thats not yesterday. Thats definitely declined over the years

bluedex

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122361612#Comment_122361612

I'm comparing religious preachers to you and your ilk with your smug and condescending remarks, not scientists. Please read peoples posts correctly.

Winters have become colder?? 🤣

That's a very typical response from a Green Zealot 😉

BluePlanet

Quick Google Search tells me: "According to various studies and research, there is no conclusive evidence to suggest that storms have increased in frequency or intensity due to climate change. In fact, some studies have found that the frequency of tropical cyclones, including hurricanes and typhoons, has decreased over the past century."

bluedex

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122362048#Comment_122362048

Yes, I've seem similar reporting.

Fancy that!

bluedex

Next post down

bluedex

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122361768#Comment_122361768

Here's a list from Met Eireann going back to 1798

https://www.met.ie/climate/major-weather-events

BluePlanet

The question that should be put to the Greens: show us your evidence that reducing CO2 emissions in Ireland, will effect global temperatures.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122362081#Comment_122362081

It's more than Greens, every mainstream political party rinses their policies at the same EU laundry and have been thoroughly green washed. Their answer will be "even if the science is wrong we must do it anyway because reasons". The usual excuse trotted out is international obligations i.e. we as your elected representatives signed you up to something you did not vote for. Only resistance through protest mass demonstration ("yellow vests") or imminent loss of political power will change policies.

McGrath5

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122362081#Comment_122362081

I think you know the answer to that. We can hardly lecture other and larger countries to reduce their emissions if we don't do all we can to reduce ours.

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122362437#Comment_122362437

Replace lecture with preach from the pulpit and I get it. Empty vessels

McGrath5

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122362510#Comment_122362510

What?

bluedex

Regarding Ireland's climate and how it has changed/not changed over the last 50 years, the following 30 year average data is supplied by Met Eireann, for Dublin Airport:

Mean temp: 1961-1990 = 9.6c; 1971-2000 = 9.8c; 1981-2010 = 9.8c; 1991-2020 = 9.7c

Wind, mean # of days with gales: 1961-1990 = 8.2; 1971-2000 = 8.6; 1981-2010 = 8.2; 1991-2020 = 7.8

Rainfall, mean # days with > 5mm: 1961-1990 = 48; 1971-2000 = 43; 1981-2010 = 42; 1991-2020 = 48.8

There's plenty more data on their website for anyone who wants to review it.

Coolcormack1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122361495#Comment_122361495

not even alarmism at this stage.just utter bollix

ginger22

They are all lining up to take the taxpayers handouts for "green research"

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/watch-dairy-and-carbon-sequestration-research-awarded-funding/

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122362517#Comment_122362517

What are we lecturing people for? Maybe we should lecture people to stop buying our agri products or stop flying to this cold wet Rock in the middle of the Atlantic for tourism purposes?

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122362079#Comment_122362079

According to your link

Between 1900 and 1950 we had 5 Major Weather Events

In the 1950s there was 1 Major Weather Event

In the 1960s there were 3 Major Weather Events

In the 1970s there were 5 Major Weather Events

In the 1980s there were 8 Major Weather Events

In the 1990s there were 9 Major Weather Events

In the 2000's there were 9 Major Weather Events

In the 2010's there were 7 Major Weather Events

And 4 since 2020

So I can only presume you agree the major weather events are increasing in number. Or maybe RTE are wrong