"Green" policies are destroying this country

Akrasia

Thats the same reason why building a nuclear power station in Ireland would take decades if it ever even completed. Every single local interest group within a hundred miles of any proposed site would object, and then every farmer and homeowner along the route of the high capacity power lines from the plant would also complain or demand that the cables be buried underground

This second part is my biggest worry about offshore wind in Ireland, the transmission lines will be delayed by objections, but nuclear will have this problem on top of the other problem of where to put it, and how to get it through planning, and where to dispose of the nuclear waste, and how to get that through planning etc etc

Decades of delays for Nuclear, potentially years of delays for any large scale grid upgrades

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118897058#Comment_118897058

The point being made is that once the Corrib gas field runs out we will most certainly be 100% dependent on the current UK gas line because the Greens stupid policy of banning LNG and future use of our own existing and untapped gas reserves!

And yet gas remains the primary fuel for energy generation in this country and that despite already having huge amounts of wind generation. The problem? wind and other renewables are not reliable

I reckon you missed the news that the EU have just decided to go cold turkey on Russian oil, gas and coal. The rest of Europe is now in a scramble for increasingly scarce non renewable sources of energy generation precisely because renewable right across Europe are guess what? Yes unreliable!

As for

interconnector to the UK via Northern Ireland and the east west interconnector

Like the UK gas pipeline = no longer a secure source.

the French interconnector 

In the face of whats happening in Europe and the fact France is already experiencing widespread energy shortages and is currently importing Electricity- then that interconnector looks increasingly like a pipe dream

I have to ask what the hell is the problem with greens here that there quite happy to ignore reality and the fact we need a safe, secure and reliable source of natural gas?

And to do that we need LNG and our own natural gas resources ASAP!

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118897146#Comment_118897146

Literally Nimby objections They like their view they have now and don't want it to change

This is the world we live in, any development involves this

Fantastic. So you agree that the current development of at least one essential LNG terminal should now go ahead without any objections and any nimbys who disagree can fuk right off. Excellent!

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118897245#Comment_118897245

I know, it is crazy. We should stop some of these people coming up with stupid rejections, I still have no idea what the article is about or why the poster dropped it into the middle of a thread.

I wonder if they turned around and said we would build a nuclear plant how many people who want it would like it slapped up in a field beside them :-) it will be bounced around for years getting rejected because nobody will want it.

We want nuclear.

Where do you want it

Somewhere else

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118897341#Comment_118897341

We should stop some of these people coming up with stupid rejections,

Absolutely. Like all the stupid "rejections" of the essential LNG terminal!

How do you propose we stop those objecting to this development?

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118897377#Comment_118897377

Still on the rampage?

Anyway building a LNG plant which will never pay for itself and drive up the price of electricity is an excellent idea 🤣

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118897386#Comment_118897386

Lol. Let me see todate - phrases you repeatedly use to attack other posters including accusing practically everyone you disagree with of "Ranting", "Keyboard warriors" and your new one "rampage" 😅🤣😂

Seriously what's with the constant puerile type comments you come out with? They don't even make sense.

Ah I see more unsubstantiated and bizarre bs claims.

I've asked previously and nothing was forthcoming. So again.

Please provide a link proving that:

• The LNG plant Terminal "will never pay for itself"

• A LNG Terminal will "drive up the price of electricity"

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118897468#Comment_118897468

It was posted on the thread. Read the thread. I don't see why you need to constantly have the same information posted so many times. You admitted yesterday you seen the information, so why are you asking for it again?

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118897481#Comment_118897481

Ah "Read the thread" 😂🤣😅 Yes I nearly forgot that's another autoreply stock reply lol.

No broken - I asked those questions and you never ever answered. And I see you're now making stuff up lol. No I did not "admit" to having seen any such answer from you.

If you have genuinely posted a link backing up your claims, then it will take less effort to do so again, than your usual reply which typically contains a range of the following stock phrases used repeatedly and I quote

"Why are you ranting/rampaging? Read the thread! I already answered/I already told you. I’m not sure why.Why are you asking?  Keyboard warrior act impresses no one.  Why are you asking again? I can't help you with reading and comprehension! You lied!"

My apologies if I missed any phrase. And for that reason any attempt at discussion is simply futile because you repeatedly deflect, deny and post rubbish like that.

Seriously what gives?

paddyisreal

I guess we might get a trial run of what the economy will be like without solid fuels in the next few weeks. Will be the kick in the arse the government needs to secure our energy.

https://extra.ie/2022/04/07/news/fears-diesel-will-run-dry

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118897666#Comment_118897666

you can be damn sure, if those 2 uk refineries build up their supplies again, we ll be last on the list, if at all, could be a tricky few months!

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118897600#Comment_118897600

Again are you are not discussing a topic and just attacking me. This rampage has gone on for days. I try to discuss a topic and you respond by attacking me.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118897229#Comment_118897229

Pity you won’t or aren’t capable of asking the question. Doesn’t look good tbh.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118896627#Comment_118896627

You seem to live in a very strange world where anything the greens do not like is going to suffer worst case delays and timeline problems while everything the green favour is going to have no delays, will come in on time or even early, and will deliver exactly as promised.

While I would be very skeptical of your 80% renewables claim by 2032, but for the craic I`ll play along. For those 10 years we are going to need gas to get us to that 80% and will still need it after that time until we get to 100%. Where are we going to get this secure supply that will satisfy that criteria identified by our own energy regulator as well as fulfill our E.U. commitments ?

I do not know what this major problem greens have with a LNG private terminal in Kerry are. They are dotted all over the European coastline with more being added and many of the present facilities being expanded, and no other country has voiced the opinion as far as I know that they are being held to ransom by them. It`s a bizarre claim for here as their is, based on what our own regulator said and the reason for that E.U. rule on a secure source, as much or even more of a chance of us being held to ransom due to our present supply. Especially after the recent muttering of the U.K. Home Secretary on our position on the Northern Ireland Protocol.

If the greens are so worried about this possibility of being held to ransom then there is a very simple solution. We are committed to spending 165 billion on infrastructure during the present decade. For less than 0.4% of that amount we could not just build our own LNG terminal, we could build one that would also be green hydrogen ready. A win win all around. We could source our own LNG supplies and avail of the E.U. LNG group purchase, which with the quantities involved, will guarantee the best market price.

For any of that to happen though would require the Irish green party to withdraw their proposed bill on banning LNG. A bill like Ryan`s hand sitting on Barryroe, to quote yourself, I just don`t see the logic of to be honest.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118897058#Comment_118897058

No the point being when corrib runs out we will be 100% dependant for our natural gas from Moffat.

Gas provides a massive amount of electricity in Ireland whilst we are transitioning.

By the way the strategic oil reserve is 90 days of reserve at the best of times. We are now down to 88 days.

As has been pointed out before, the entire capacity of the interconnectors including the Celtic interconnector to France will be 1700MW, which is not enough to plug the gap when there is no gas, this of course is also dependent on the UK mad European grids having spare to sell.

Hydro is built about as far as it will be built in Ireland due to our geography. Turlough hill is in effect a big battery, it doesn’t generate new power it stores power for when it’s needed to take the peak off the demand curve.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118898078#Comment_118898078

Let's talk about Barryroe or more about Providence. They had approached the government with SpotOn Energy. According to this deal in 2020 would mean they would have the a rig on the site in 2022.

Now they then pulled out of the deal with SpotOn Energy, or Spoton pulled out and are going around trying to get someone else to come in with them. They hired a communications specialist in July 2021. Soon after we started to get lots of these "leaks" to the press about the amount of oil or gas was on the site. All of them getting bigger and bigger. Well done the communications specialist

Then in Feb this year we get another leak which is pushing for the government to give them a licenses but in the same statement confirm they have no other people to back them up. So even if the government turned around tomorrow and gave them a license they have nobody to help them actually explore or start drilling. That announcement said they need 57m and with that money they can hopefully start production in 2026.

Now those are dates and actual details on barryroe and Providence. Providence have also had to deal with questions about the board having no idea about oil/gas drilling. You can google and find all of this. None of it made up.

Now just reading all of that and you are sitting in government, would you give these guys a license number 1? would you even build a future based on something happening in 2026 when the main company which could actual deliver oil/gas pulled out in 2021.

In terms of the LNG, everything has already been explained to you. Not sure why you are going over the same information

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118897386#Comment_118897386

Source?

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118898135#Comment_118898135

So why doesn’t the minister for energy just give them a licence and then keep the spotlight on them to deliver? The pressure would be on providence then.

Will it cost the government anything?

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118898013#Comment_118898013

Lol. So more "rampaging" bs as in your first reply where you ignored the topic under discussion.

Prior to yesterday you were repeatedly accussing posters here of "ranting".

And you've been doing that and attacking posters for weeks

Now if you wish to discuss the topic, answer what was asked. Otherwise it appears you have lost all credibility as a poster. So.

Please provide a link proving that:

• The LNG plant Terminal "will never pay for itself"

• A LNG Terminal will "drive up the price of electricity"

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118898303#Comment_118898303

You already confirmed yesterday this was answered on the thread so I suggest you go back and find it. I don't have the time.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118898135#Comment_118898135

Lots of speculation there, and to answer your question if I was sitting in government the question I would be asking is why with an energy crisis due to a lack of gas why is Ryan, the relevant minister just sitting on his hand refusing to even meet the representatives of Barryroe.

The only thing that you have explained on LNG is you are in favour of the proposed Green party bill banning LNG and that the greens should collapse the government if they do not get their way.

Everybody other than you it appears accepts that we need natural gas. Not just for the immediate future, but until such time as we have 100% reliable renewable energy. Our own state regulator has said our present supply is not secure and does not fulfill our E.U. obligations. LNG, especially with our own terminal, would fulfill both those criteria. You, nor indeed the green party, have come up with any viable alternative and I`m still waiting for either you or them to provide one.

If you are going to revert to your, read the Green party policy document or contact the Green party spiel, I have and I have read the the Programme for Government document that has morphed from fracked natural gas now into a bill proposing to ban all LNG. I have also emailed the Green party almost three weeks ago asking them the same questions that have been put to you, and the answer has been the same. Other than blah blah blah we`ll get back to you on that, nothing. Safe to say I believe that they are as clueless as you on the issue.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118898359#Comment_118898359

Lot of speculation? all of that information is available if you google the company.

Why are you talking about LNG again? that is New Fortress Energy, which is a totally different company to Providence.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118898355#Comment_118898355

Once again refusing to engage in honest discussion? No surprise there.

And as detailed above - I have not "confirmed yesterday this was answered on the thread" (as you've falsely claimed)

That is bs and simply another windup.

I'll wait for the links to the claims you've made so far

Please provide a link proving that:

• The LNG plant Terminal "will never pay for itself"

• A LNG Terminal will "drive up the price of electricity"

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118898388#Comment_118898388

The poster knows that- as well you know.

tom1ie

More strategic oil being released:

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0407/1291069-oil-reserves/

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118898450#Comment_118898450

...the panic has begun!

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118898388#Comment_118898388

Whether it is speculation or not is open to interpretation, but that does not explain with an energy crisis due to a shortage of gas why Ryan is sitting on his hands refusing to meet the company. Or indeed, as another poster just said to you, granting them a licence. Doing that would not cost the state a single red cent or tie it into any commitments. Not only do both you and the green party have no viable solution to a secure source of gas, it looks as if like them you are afraid that Barryroe could actually deliver.

You actually said you have provided an answer to the LNG question. I pointed out that neither you or the green party have. And what is this obsession with a private LNG terminal ?

I have said we should build our own, which at the cost is miniscule in relation to our infrastructure budget for this decade alone, and which is increasingly looking as vital infrastructure for the state, plus be green hydrogen ready. Something even the Germans who we had been told was the formula to follow on renewable energy now recognise that. Not only would it fulfill the state regulators criteria on a secure source, it would fulfill the E.U. requirements and no holding to ransom on price as we could, along with sourcing our own supplies, avail of the E.U. bulk buying price.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118898504#Comment_118898504

Unless they change what is going on in Ireland it's not going to make a blind bit of difference. What this should show people is that Ireland should try and move away from been reliant on fossil fuels. Instead it seems it is doing the opposite.

The government should admit now it is a critical situation and move all staff who are not essential to travel to stay at home. Going into Dublin in the morning it back to similar rush hour as before covid. How many of those need to be in work? especially when you look at traffic on a Monday compared to a Friday.

It's not like we haven't a recent example of how to reduce fuel requirements.

As much diesel as possible should be diverted as much as possible to farming. Food is required

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118898567#Comment_118898567

this isnt just an irish problem, but a human problem, we were warned, and we effectively done nothing about it, so here we are.....

hopefully the panic will cause us to do what actually needs to be done, but we re still actually waiting on major institutions to step up to it!!!

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118898567#Comment_118898567

It proves exactly the opposite - that moving away from our own fossil fuels and instead relying on those of others, is a bad idea.

Green policies of not extracting fossil fuels domestically, but happy to buy from abroad so we look better in the carbon stakes, are really coming home to roost now. We need to exploit our own oil and gas fields to get us through the next several decades of energy scarcity