"Green" policies are destroying this country

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118899225#Comment_118899225

No that was the greens policy which they bushwhacked in as part of their personal programme of government

Taken from the greens own website

Green Party Climate Action Spokesperson Brian Leddin TD has welcomed the move to introduce legislation to ban licences for new oil and natural gas exploration. The move to end new licences for oil and gas exploration has been a Green Party policy for many years and was a key commitment in the Programme for Government.

The Minister for the Environment, Climate and Communications and Green Party Leader, Eamon Ryan TD, today secured Cabinet approval for the

inclusion of this legislation in the Climate Action and Low Carbon Amendment Bill, which is due to go before the Oireachtas in the coming weeks. This commitment has been given effect immediately, meaning no new applications will be now accepted by the Department

https://web.archive.org/web/20210202155316/https://www.greenparty.ie/green-party-welcomes-immediate-ban-on-new-oil-and-natural-gas-exploration/

The gas reserves in the UK are already running out and will ve fully depleted by 2030.

https://www.energyvoice.com/oilandgas/north-sea/351578/north-sea-production-2030/

We have the potential to supply our own natural gas supplies. With any shortfall to be made up of LNG

That the UK could keep what reserves they have left for themselves is not "scaremongering". Or energy regulator has already highlighted that they supply is no longer secure and gas terminals must be built for supply security

https://m.independent.ie/news/environment/energy-regulator-says-gas-terminals-must-be-built-for-supply-security-41500986.html

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118899377#Comment_118899377

As pointed out, the company has no drilling company. Bit of a problem do you not think? as I can see you failed to research anything on the company yet you want to give them a license. No government would be as stupid to hand out licenses without due diligence.

Do you think the war is going to continue till 2026?

If you are concerned about the war the only quick way Ireland can resolve that is via renewals. No other fossil fuel system will be in place.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118899385#Comment_118899385

Yeah thats what I mean. It would be difficult to grant a licence for works in a sensitive ecosystem without knowing who is going to be doing the work. It would be highly irresponsible to grant a licence in such circumstances IMHO.

Maybe some posters here might know the answer to these so not directing these to yourself specifically

• When was the licence applied for and what is the typical timeframe from application to decision based on previous applications?
  • If it was applied for in Jan and typical turnaround is 6/12/18 months and we're only in month 4 then there is nothing unusual going on. If its typically decided in 1 week and they are waiting months, then there are other issues at play.
• Have other licences been granted in the past to investor groups/rights owners without knowing who will be doing the actual physical development?
  • As mentioned, to me personally, it would seem highly unusual to grant a license for major works in such a sensitive ecosystem without knowing if the group doing this work has the relevant skills, expertise and equipment to do it safely. Thats just my own personal opinion but it would seem like a logical requirement for such a licence.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118899396#Comment_118899396

"Bit of a problem do you not think"

Whats our natural gas reserves got to do with what you do or don't "think"?

You are not an expert in the logistics of exploration and drilling. Two weeks ago you didn't even know the Barryroe gas field existed.

Why are so bizarrely concerned and upset that a company is looking to secure natural gas reserves? Natural gas which will be used and is required in the period of transition to renewable energy generation?

Have you got shares in wind farms or something? You know some of the companies involved in wind farms are far from shining lights yes?

Regardless of when the "war" ends - Europe now has to find its own gas reserves. And Ireland is in Europe or have you forgotten that?

Mecanudo

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brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118899422#Comment_118899422

Boards.ie is a discussion forum.

Never said I was an expert, but at least I know you need a drilling company. Fairly basic would you not agree?

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118899421#Comment_118899421

Yeah just like all those 'dodgy' wind farms on sensitive peatland areas that the greens were so concerned with before they were built 🙄

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118899444#Comment_118899444

Na nothing to do it with any discussion. Its the nitpicking. So can you tell us - with your new found and in depth knowledge - of something you didn't know existed two weeks ago - how many exploration companies have a drilling company contracted at this point in the process of exploration?

Tbh its little more the manure spreading here against one particular company. Amazing none of the renewable energy companys are at the receiving end of such bile in this thread.

Maybe allow the company to get on with doing with what its doing. And sure if they just happen to find nothing - you'll only be delighted

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118899130#Comment_118899130

I'm afraid selective amnesia may have set in again.

Amazing so many greens seem to be so delighted for Ireland not to have a safe, secure and reliable source of natural gas or at least don't give a **** whether we can keep the lights on. I reckon the next year or two will see the greens getting the boot straight out the door.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118899396#Comment_118899396

Where has the government carried out due diligence and refused this company a licence because of that ?

What exactly were these finding, Is Eamon sitting on those findings as well as his hands ?

Jeez you really are clueless. If the war in Ukraine was over tomorrow Europe is not going back to relying on Russia for gas. A kid second year in national school would know that.

Unreliable renewables filling the space for unreliable renewables is not a quick way to resolve the problem. It`s a circle jerk argument. There will be no other solution until we get to 100% reliable renewables other than fossil fuels or nuclear to fill that space. The E.U. recognise that, yet somehow the Irish greens have a secret plan that they are not telling anyone about, other than a select few it seems who are then sworn to secrecy, on how we will make that jump from where we are now, to 100% reliable renewable energy overnight.

It`s insane gibberish make believe..

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118899389#Comment_118899389

It's government policy.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118899886#Comment_118899886

Insisted on by the Green Party of course.

Incredible the amount of naivety from certain posters here who don’t see the issue of depending on a foreign country for all our gas needs (post 2025) while the foreign country’s gas supply is due to run out relatively soon.

No issue there at all! 🙄

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118899886#Comment_118899886

Lol.

Regardless of it being the green's contribution to government policy - That does not apply to the Barryroe gas field as it has been already granted the initial exploration licence and the project is still in process, even with Mr Ryan inexplicabley stonewalling the next part of the process.

Banana Republic 1

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/02/05/massive-methane-emissions-by-the-oil-gas-industry-detected-from-satellite-space/

So much for clean. We’re is the LNG coming from again 🤔

tom1ie

Well whatever your view on the green movement and it’s policies, pro and against, I would strongly encourage you to listen to this podcast:

https://podcasts.apple.com/ie/podcast/the-david-mcwilliams-podcast/id1462649946?i=1000556482744

Banana Republic 1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118899422#Comment_118899422

I’ll huff and puff and blow your house down 🤦‍♂️

Banana Republic 1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118899600#Comment_118899600

🤦‍♂️

Mecanudo

😁

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/killing-spree-of-the-fluffy-green-idiots

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118900044#Comment_118900044

You can Lol all you want. It's in the program for government, so it's government policy

"End the issue of new licenses for the exploration and extraction of gas, on the same basis as the recent decision in relation to oil exploration and extraction."

Nobody has a license to extract gas from Ballyroe, so government policy is to not grant any new licenses for extraction

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118900843#Comment_118900843

Incorrect. You are of course free to believe what you wish. However an exploration licence has already been issued for Barryroe. The only thing stopping the next phase proceeding is the arch greeness himself, Mr Ryan. Go look it up.

The Irish Offshore Operators’ Association (IOOA) said that the honouring of existing licences will enable its members to proceed with projects around Barryroe and Corrib fields “with confidence” but questioned the rationale of a future ban on exploration on a legislative basis “as it limits Ireland’s options for energy security in the future”. 

https://www.thejournal.ie/oil-and-gas-ban-5342780-Feb2021/

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118900670#Comment_118900670

Bit behind on your right wing climate denial reading list? Why post a 5 year old spectator article?

Before you accuse me of labelling them as deniers, they happily claim to be 'sceptics' in their own article and they describe CO2 as a 'harmless trace gas'

Do you endorse this statement?

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118900939#Comment_118900939

They have had an exploration licence from before the current government was formed. Government Policy is to "End the issue of new licenses for the exploration and extraction of gas, on the same basis as the recent decision in relation to oil exploration and extraction."

They didn't issue a new exploration license to them, and they won't issue a new Extraction license to them.

Like it or not, the Greens are in government, and they negotiated a program for government with FF and FG

That means FF and FG agreed that this was acceptable government policy. Since then, other than the price of gas, which won't change if a private company extracts gas and sells it to us, nothing has changed about the security of our gas supply via Moffett

Not one thing

The UK does not get their gas from Russia, we are not getting gas from Russia. The service life of the UK gas reserves is likely to increase rather than decrease as they fast-track renewables, build nuclear and explore for more gas. Ireland has fast-tracked our transition to Offshore wind by making the planning process less onerous, and since even 2020, BESS systems are falling in price and maturing as an industry, which should allow us to further reduce our reliance on gas for providing grid services like frequency regulation and covering peak demand

There is no greater need for us to build a LNG terminal or grant new extraction licenses now than there was in 2020 when this program for government was agreed.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118900166#Comment_118900166

Thanks. bypass the ads 3 minutes 20 seconds in. David McWilliams frames the lead in the interview with the representative from Doomberg in terms of Malthus vs the Post WW2 agricultural revolution often called the green revolution (nothing to do with the political party). Doomberg have been writing publicly since Covid lockdowns started mainly about resource issues on their substack. This will eventually become a paid service they have said this in previous interviews I've listened to. The essential trust of his discussion is that energy is life and is directly impacts the production and distribution of food. The energy crisis in Europe is caused by pursuit of bad policies over the past two decades especially with regard to Germany. The resulting consequence of the current energy crisis is the food will become scarce and more expensive especially in poorer countries leading to rioting and civil breakdown, it will also suck up any wage growth in Western countries. Small farms are not going to be able to absorb the costs and will fail. He also made the point there is no LNG to spare in the United States for Europe, one of the reasons being distribution infrastructure has been held up by eco-nuisance lawsuits (Appalachian Trail), gas cannot get to the plants that can chill it. One other point, manufacture of solar panels is energy intensive, you need a lot of energy up front to make them and that energy is scarce.

• Farmers on the Brink
• A Serious Proposal on US Energy

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118900102#Comment_118900102

The amount of environmental destruction this industry is responsible for is sickening

Yet some useful idiot will be on here soon to say 'But china burn coal to make their solar panels'

Yes they do, and that's not ideal, but Solar panels even when they're made using coal, pay back the energy needed to make them within a couple of years, and then have decades of carbon free energy that we can use to further improve the sustainability of our economies. After a few cycles of this, there are enough Solar installations in the world to allow us to create all our solar panels using solar power.

There is an easily identifiable pathway off fossil fuels. But the people who get their information from the spectator and dodgy youtube channels are too far gone to see this

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118900954#Comment_118900954

Ah lighten up. It was the title I was having a laugh at. 😄

Always with the bs righty wingy climate denial pointy stick thing eh when you lash out? You know what? 😂

Btw you do know what that is? That's the No truer disciple school of finger pointing beloved of the likes of the Spanish inquisition and its more modern cousin the communist party.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118901011#Comment_118901011

Again.. you are wrong. And I see you didn't even bother looking it up 🙄

So again.

"Incorrect. You are of course free to believe what you wish. However an exploration licence has already been issued for Barryroe. The only thing stopping the next phase proceeding is the arch greeness himself, Mr Ryan. Go look it up."

The Irish Offshore Operators’ Association (IOOA) said that the honouring of existing licences will enable its members to proceed with projects around Barryroe and Corrib fields “with confidence” but questioned the rationale of a future ban on exploration on a legislative basis “as it limits Ireland’s options for energy security in the future”. 

https://www.thejournal.ie/oil-and-gas-ban-5342780-Feb2021/

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118900166#Comment_118900166

I'm guessing this is the one with that yank from that consultancy company talking about energy policy?

I listened to it a few days ago and was seriously annoyed after it.

Yer mans logic was fundamentally flawed He basically said that we are facing an energy crunch and we need to spend energy now to build the infrastructure to get off fossil fuels, but doing that will cause starvation because higher energy costs drive price increases across the economy

The problem with his logic is, that China, as we are repeatedly told, generates most of its power from coal, and China, makes most of the worlds solar panels

Coal prices are not causing energy prices to increase.

Coal burned n China, to create solar panels and wind turbines for export, are not causing food shortages in China or anywhere else in the world.

Solar and Wind turbines pay back the energy needed to produce them within a few years. So burning coal now to produce Solar capacity now, is a much better use of energy in the medium to long term.

Investing now in green sustainable technology creates a long term pathway to sustainability, even if this means they need to use Coal now to create that infrastructure.

Its the difference between borrowing money for day to day expenses, vs borrowing money to invest in a business with a long term cash flow. Burning fossil fuels for electricity to do day to day activities = bad, burning them to make the infrastructure so we don't need fossil fuels anymore = our best hope to save humanity.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118901011#Comment_118901011

The greens are in government,?

The greens are certainly part of the present coalition government. For how long? Not long by the cracks which are appearing. And they are going to get a severe kicking the next time an election comes around. Legislation can also be reversed especially in light of the current energy crisis.

Russian gas?

Again you're wrong.

The EU sources about 40% of its gas from Russia and 27% of its oil, while the US gets no gas from Russia and 7% of its oil. In Britain, 4% of gas and 8% of oil comes from Russia.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/08/no-10-plans-cut-russian-fossil-fuels-use

The problems with Moffat are:

The UK gas field reserves are due to be fully depleted by 2030

Because of Brexit the current supply arrangement can no longer be guaranteed. This has been detailed by Ireland’s Energy Regulator.

The current situation in Europe means that each country is seeking to secure a source of natural gas for the period of transition to renewable energy generation. Competition for natural gas resources is at an all time high right across Europe and likley to remain so.

Irelands natural gas resources are an important part of those reserves.

The urgent need for a LNG terminal was highlighted by Ireland’s Energy Regulator who emphasised a security of supply for natural gas.

It remains Ireland is part of the EU. The EU has detailed that natural gas is necessary for the transition to renewable energy generation.

No amount of hysterics from the green party changes that

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118901080#Comment_118901080

Lol, so spreading climate denial is fine as long as the article has got a 'funny' title

Whatever sources you are using to get information, if they're putting this kind of rubbish in your newsfeed, you might need to do a bit of a tidying up of your filters

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118901192#Comment_118901192

You seriously need to lighten up Akrasia. The title is funny. You don't have to go beyond that. And you certainly shouldn't believe everything you read. You do know that yes?

But what do you suggest? Anyone caught having a blasphemous read should be burned at the stake? How about censorship? Book burning? I hear all those things should certainly help stop anyone daring to pick up something not on the your approved reading list 🙄

The author has a point where anyone takes themselves so seriously that someone having a laugh at an article gets accused of "spreading climate denial"

Tbh thats nearly as good the earlier argument that not enough dinosaurs died around Ireland to provide us with sufficient oil and gas 😏