"Green" policies are destroying this country

Eamon Ryans interfering with the planning process where he told An Bord Pleanála that it shouldn't give permission to the Shannon LNG terminal

ABP is an independent body not answerable to any Minister, by design, so in that context, ER's comments have no more weight than yours or mine in any submission to ABP.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118957544#Comment_118957544

The very man I`ve been looking for.

I have a lovely bridge for sale. Going cheap sight unseen.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118957384#Comment_118957384

What’s the craic with the MEP?

Is that true?

edit:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/green-party-distances-itself-from-its-own-mep-after-he-urges-banks-not-to-lend-to-young-farmers-41127606.html

Thats a bit much imo.

What do the acolytes think of this? In agreement?

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118957883#Comment_118957883

I'm not up to speed on the details but it is something to do with the relatively large carbon footprint of beef production. Trouble is the vegans often jump on this one and try to extend the arguments to all meats, so no wonder it is viewed as anti-farmer.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118957544#Comment_118957544

The fact that Eamon Ryan is a government Minister and leader of the green party makes his attempted interference with An Bord Pleanála all the more insidious. His position by definition means such behaviour goes way beyond any "submission" the average person in the street might make

That he attempted to interfer directly in the planning process telling An Bord Pleanála that it should not give permission to the liquefied natural gas terminal “under any circumstances” is enough for him to be forced to stand down.

Disgraceful carry-on.

'Tis shockin altogether Joe

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118957472#Comment_118957472

Here you go. Letter to the Irish banks was written on E.U.parliament headed letterhead.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40762197.html

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118953682#Comment_118953682

Why are they complaining? Their vision requires a massive expansion of mining to meet demand, like always not in my back yard, do it in someone else's. 8% of the worlds silver processed annually goes into solar panels. Even the world bank said that expansion is needed years ago in one of their reports. Sure, they can object to mining in this country, though they need to be consistent and ban it elsewhere since solar panels and wind turbines and batteries don't grow on trees, there are mining operations and oil consumption required to extract and process the raw materials. Those devices only last 10 to 30 years depending on the environment when they all have to be replaced, so neither is it a one time event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDOI-uLvTnY

The Growing Role of Minerals and Metals for a Low Carbon Future

Furthermore, the technologies assumed to populate the clean energy shift (wind, solar, hydrogen and electricity systems) are in fact significantly MORE material intensive in their composition than current traditional fossil-fuel-based energy supply systems (Vidal, Goffé, and Arndt 2013)

source

The Hard Math of Minerals

And if solar and wind are to become the primary sources of power, then utility-scale electricity storage and additional generating capacity will be required to meet demand and to produce excess energy to be stored. Thus, replacing a 100 MW gas turbine would necessitate at least 200 MW of solar or wind capacity, more than doubling the hardware and materials requirements—along with yet more materials associated with building about 10,000 tons of batteries for energy storage.

Scaling up solar, wind, and batteries also means scaling up the mining of the refined minerals they require. There is a significant environmental impact associated with the sheer tonnage of earth that must be moved and processed to produce these refined minerals.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118958291#Comment_118958291

Another quality comment DaCor?

That you would attempt to handwave away Eamon Ryans interfering with the planning process is perhaps not surprising.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118958377#Comment_118958377

"It is understood the letter queried bank lending practices, as well as a reference to their continued investment in a sector that is carbon-intensive."

A not dissimilar tactic to that used by various extreme animal rights activists in this country, who have use orchestrated letter and email campaigns directed at insurance companies, questioning their insurance practices and demanding that legal hunting and shooting groups should not be provided with insurance cover. Charity fundraising has also been targeted by similar campaigns. A modern adaptation of the ugly poisoned pen letter

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118959440#Comment_118959440

The greens vision is that farming in Ireland would be eliminated and we would import our food from poor countries using slave labour, actually doing more damage to the environment. It’s sounds insane, but that’s what they they are going for.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118958431#Comment_118958431

The fossil fuel industry certainly do have good PR if they can convince people that mining is bad except when it's mining for Oil Gas Coal and Peat

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118959485#Comment_118959485

The green washing industry will certainly have good PR if they think they can convince people that mining is bad except when it's mining for gold and silver

The peasants might need to keep themselves warm and the lights on but fuk that - look lots of bright shiney stuff over there. Whats that sound that money makes?

zom

It is Eartch Day today (22 April). Google already crying about climate change, trying to forget they are one of biggest planet destroyers:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1250731/electricity-consumption-top-tech-companies-worldwide/#:~:text=Leading%20tech%20companies'%20electricity%20consumption%20worldwide%202020&text=Of%20the%20leading%20ten%20technology,company's%20most%20recent%202020%20figures.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118959440#Comment_118959440

"The greens vision is that farming in Ireland would be eliminated and we would import our food from poor countries using slave labour, actually doing more damage to the environment."

Ireland currently holds recognition for the most food secure country in the world

https://www.newfoodmagazine.com/news/159325/global-food-security-index/

Whys that? Mainly because Irish farming specialises in the types of farming that our climate and soils are most suited to. And that's livestock farming. Ireland is a net exporter of agricultural produce, most of which which is traded with other European countries. But as the producer Ireland gets penalised for any related emissions. Those who buy and consume exported Irish agricultural produce do not.

The green party appear to favour this model as used by many European countries, in getting other countries to produce their food.

That model going to come back and bite them in the arse someday soon.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118959112#Comment_118959112

We have Cuffe using his position as an MEP attempting to put the fix in on farmers. Ryan as a government minister attempting the same with An Bord Pleanala on an LNG terminal, Hourigan attempting to get a bill passed banning all forms of LNG on the basis that is included in the Programme for Government which it is not, and now their latest underhand attempts at banning turf.

On the other hand we have Ryan banning exploration licenses for natural gas and oil,but now granting them for gold and silver while he is stonewalling on Barryroe, attempting to ban LNG and not a credible idea from any of them or their supporters what secure energy source we will use as back-up for unreliable renewables in the immediate future or as a transitional source for years to come.

A bunch of chancers and cowboys that are so blinded by their own ideology they do not give a toss about the economy or well being of the population.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118959461#Comment_118959461

Insane but not surprising when you look at all the shiny new green gadgets we are being coerced/encouraged into buying on the never never plan and the countries and conditions under which they are being produced.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118959461#Comment_118959461

The Green policy document on agriculture seems conflict with that statement

Unless you have an alternative we can read?

https://www.greenparty.ie/policies/agriculture

Key policy points

Work with farmers to reduce the greenhouse gas emissions from livestock.

Reform the Common Agricultural Policy linking funding to lower carbon emissions, enhanced biodiversity, carbon sequestration and animal welfare.

Support 20% of Irish farms to be organic by 2030.

Encourage diversification from a mostly animal-based model to one that produces grains, vegetables, fruit, nuts and plant-based products.

Assist the production of biomass and anaerobic production of plants as a source of energy and income for farmers.

Phase out below cost selling to ensure a fair price for farmers for their produce.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118960293#Comment_118960293

Forget the policy documents, that’s just prepared for election purposes. Judge them on their actions. Do that for all political parties.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118960329#Comment_118960329

No a manifesto is created for election. You should ask @charlie14 and he can tell you all about them

Policies like the ones on the website are the ones the party adhere's to...they change with the time, so they would have changed after covid etc

So that is the Green party view on agriculture. Seems to be at odd's with yours, could you provide a policy document from the Greens to confirm what you said? thank you

Any farmer by the way would be overjoyed with this bullet point. No other party I know cares about the low prices the farmer gets and high margin the shops are making

Phase out below cost selling to ensure a fair price for farmers for their produce.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118960342#Comment_118960342

Again, stop judging political parties by their policy documents. Focus on their actions. I wouldn’t believe a policy document from any party in any country.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118960381#Comment_118960381

So you can't back up the statement you made and now everyone else is supposed to forget about political parties policy document.

Cop on to yourself. If you are going to make sweeping statement about any party I would at least read what the party has said on the situation, every party has their documents on the web

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118960342#Comment_118960342

Why would the poster ask me about manifestos or you suggest he/she should do so ?

The poster said they are "just prepared for election purposes" and you agreed with your reply of "No a manifesto is created for election"

You starting to argue with yourself now seeing you cannot answer questions when others ask you ?

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118960342#Comment_118960342

So are you saying Cuffe was correct in using his position as an MEP attempting to influence banks not to lend to farmers ?

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118959485#Comment_118959485

Speaking of PR. Hoggan and Associates public relations.

Mecanudo

I see the little red book is back and being quoted verbatim. Pretty sad that the gp published aims don't seem to align up with their practice in the real world

As for this piece of wizardy

Encourage diversification from a mostly animal-based model to one that produces grains, vegetables, fruit, nuts and plant-based products.

Have even one of these gshites got a clue between them about farming in this country? Irish farming is primarily based on the type of farming which our climate and soils are most suited to. And that's livestock farming based on grass.

That said we do grow "grains" on most of the areas suitable for arable production. Ditto horticultural produce - which requires suitable soils close to markets and transport hubs.

Both arable but especially horticultural production is marginal at best under Irish conditions. A good wet summer / autumn and the country ends up with spoiled cereal crops and vegetables which rot in the fields. And that's before growers have to face the realities of consumers preferring to buy cheap produce grown in countries with feck all environmental standards and/ or slave / cheap labour.

As someone who worked in a horticultural wholesalers a few years, I can tell you that trying to grow vegetables and fruit on a commercial level in this country is a fools errand.

As for the rest. There's already plenty of "nuts" in the green party end they can fuk right off with their "plant based products" and that rest of that type of sh*te

flutered

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118954911#Comment_118954911

is he concerned about this

Germany To Drill For Gas In North Sea To Reduce Reliance On Russia | OilPrice.com

SlowBlowin

I am "green" therefore everything I say is true, people who question me are idiots and wrong.

I am "green" it is a constructive use of my time to methodically attack people who stand in the way of my policy, because I am right.

The green party are out of control, Twitter cancel culture on steroids. The warped and misrepresented science of Gibbons does not help, RTE really must take some of the blame by blindly giving him a platform.

paddyisreal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118960437#Comment_118960437

The part on fruit and nuts would make you laugh.. I wonder do the greens realise their almond milk lattee and avocado toast cant be grown here. They really are a bunch of clowns.

Ham_Sandwich

look at the end of the day we all have to do our part to lower our consumption of energy, for the environment yet but also remember Ireland is now host to alot of very large data centres and their energy needs are quite large, any disruption caused would have a huge affect on how people live their lives, insta, tiktok, snap, whatsapp could all be affected, imagine.