"Green" policies are destroying this country

Banana Republic 1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119091638#Comment_119091638

Why keep bringing up of topic subjects

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119091861#Comment_119091861

the company would already be a way a head of the game already

They only answered the last items on the application a few months back and expect a decision before the end of jun. Thats 6 months. Considering they are not planning to do the appraisal until sometime in 2023, that doesn't stack up.

If the company begins extracting Gas in or around 2026 - then that's perfect timing with the Corrib field starting to wind down

They "plan" to extract oil in 2026. They have no plans for gas extraction as of yet according to their own strategy documents

Seriously, go read the stuff on their site. You don't have to take my word for it. I even linked them here a few pages back.

paddyisreal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090811#Comment_119090811

Do you just ignore the fact that web bulb is redundant at 35 degrees as it doesn't for the agenda ?

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119091896#Comment_119091896

They only answered the last items on the application a few months back 

Not that rubbish again.

You were repeatedly asked to provide a link to backup that assertion which you've trotted out many times. Not only have you refused to answer, you've also ducked, dived and deflected. At least your comments are consistent if nothing else.

Look you didn't even know there was a oil and gas field called Barryroe prior to a couple of months back. And not only have I read all the published documents - If you remember I was the one who originally briefed you about the project on this very thread and linked to a bunch of those documents.

Funny now you claim to know all the companies final plans for extraction including all confidental company information and that's even before the appraisal is completed. Sure thing DaCor 🤣

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119091971#Comment_119091971

Sigh, it's in the links from their website that I linked a few pages back. You choose not to read the contents, not my problem. That goes for their plans on extraction and also the status of the application.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119092014#Comment_119092014

Nope. You were repeatedly asked for that specific link and your final reply with no detail to that, was and I quote

"Moving on"

So there more ducking, diving and deflection 🤷‍♂️

And I can guarantee you, what you've read online is certainly not the entirety of the companies information on the project. And neither has the Barryroe appraisal or the results even been realised yet.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119091561#Comment_119091561

Do you even read what you post ?

We already are chancing our arm by not being in compliance with a E.U. directive and your brainwave is continuing to do so hoping the E.U do not notice.

Looks as if not only do you not read what you post, you do not read what anyone else posts. Or if you do why to you continue attempting to misrepresent what was posted.? I have been clear that as far as I`m concerned we should be building our own LNG terminal, same as Germany and other E.U. countries where we would be able to avail of the best possible price due to the E.U. policy (same as for the Covid vaccines) due to the E.U bulk buying on behalf of its members.

And again, what difference will it make when Barryroe extracts the gas ? We are going to need gas as a backup for the unreliability of renewables for a long time to come, or did you miss the SEAI report for last year on renewables for last year.

You, or indeed the Green Party, really don`t see much of anything when it comes to natural gas security, E.U. directives or LNG being a recognised transitional energy source by the E.U., other than some magical leap going from where we are to 100% reliable renewable energy without a viable means of doing it without a secure energy source while keeping fingers crossed the E.U. do not notice.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119092086#Comment_119092086

Knock yourself out

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119082209#Comment_119082209

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119092116#Comment_119092116

So again no definitive quote or any specific link showing that "They only answered the last items on the application a few months back "

The only statement that the company made in those documents about the appraisal application was that all information had already been submitted to the Department. Nothing about "They only answered the last items on the application a few months back "

Maybe try that again

Banana Republic 1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119092222#Comment_119092222

All this ducking, diving, weaselling and goal post moving you’ll have a hernia.

brokenangel

So I see this thread is still at the "wHaT AbOuT GAs" stage

Still talking about Barryroe when the company behind it, even if you look past all the issues, have no drilling company working with them. Bit of a problem wouldn't you think when the supposed gas/oil is at the bottom of the ocean.

If not company manages to get a drilling company to work with them, then it might be relevant. All the companies that have joined with them pulled out very quickly so clearly they know more than what is been released to the press.

The government should block them getting any license till they are set up correctly and then review if worthwhile

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119092719#Comment_119092719

Hi Broken. Its been a while.

Yeah still lots of things under discussing, including perhaps one of the most important topics as to how 'Green policies are destroying the country' in relation to the need to provide safe, secure and reliable sources of natural gas for the period of transition to renewable energy

Though much seems to be correcting a lot of the apparent misinformation out there and mud slinging going on. And It's not so much that anyone has presented any coherent argument against the Barryroe oil and gas field development. Rather there are some who apparently will give any old reason why the country should not have a secure and reliable energy supply in the immediate future. And that includes Barryroe as part of that!

That said we've had some very interesting discussions on that. Maybe take a read back.

Btw on what you said, you'll find that it's not the 'government' but Mr Ryan who has been inexplicably 'blocking' the company. Apparently causing the company a whole host of problems - the least of which is that without a working licence for the Appraisal - the company currently has not been able to proceed and atm has no need of a drilling company. Mainly because their not drilling anything!

It would be a bit like you contacting a company to do the preliminary work on your roof for solar panels, but you've been blocked from getting planning permission for solar panels by someone jobsworth County manager in the local Coco who doesn't like solar panels! Unfortunately shyte like that seems to happen just a bit too often in this country.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119092805#Comment_119092805

Problem with your example is the solar company would be qualified to do the work

in this case the company behind Barryroe is not and has no other company who might be involved

Bit of a gigantic problem actually. But interesting to see nothing has changed here anyway

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119092957#Comment_119092957

Incorrect. I think you're not quite clear there broken or perhaps mud slinging?

In the example "you" = Providence. And the "Solar" company = specialist drilling company

a bit like you contacting a company to do the preliminary work on your roof for solar panels, but you've been blocked from getting planning permission for solar panels by someone jobsworth County manager in the local Coco who doesn't like solar panels! Unfortunately shyte like that seems to happen just a bit too often in this country.

When the time arrives that Mr Ryan takes his finger out and allows the next phase of the project to proceed so the company can tender for drilling operations.

Providence - the company with the remit to develop the Barryroe oil and gas field will then tender for a specialist drilling contractor to undertake the necessary drilling work.

Until that point, Providence, a fully registered company do not have any operating or statutory requirement to engage a drilling company. And a quick search shows there's loads of drilling companies who are available to tender for such contracts.

Best of luck to them I say.

Thelonious Monk

The unprecedented heatwaves in Spain are pretty scary at the moment, extreme drought in parts of France causing crop failures too. I really think we need to be investing a lot in mitigation for what all this is going to mean for us. We import a lot of food from Spain and France. I wonder if you'll even be able to holiday in parts of Spain in summer in 10 years from these heatwaves? Even the Daily Mail are recognising that this is pretty mental weather.

That's 41.something C in real temperatures.

Banana Republic 1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119092979#Comment_119092979

Two companies pulled out last minute says it all really providence are selling a pig in a poke.

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119092985#Comment_119092985

and you think your entitlement to a holiday in Spain was wasnt contributing. The mind boggles at the logic.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119093014#Comment_119093014

wtf are you on about, no intentions in going to Spain any time soon myself, but tens of millions of other people go every year

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119093007#Comment_119093007

Think you're again getting mixed up with investors and drilling companies Banana. That type of investor activity not unusual in the oil and gas exploration sector.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-40800870.html

And I think we can safely put that comment with the rest of the pile accumulating in the corner with all the other stuff been thrown about by those who already stated they don't want Ireland to develop any if its own natural resources regardless

The simple solution is Ryan gets his finger and there will be no need for the endless handwringing, hair pulling and gnashing of teeth over Barryroe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119092222#Comment_119092222

The phrase "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" seems apt

It's my own fault really, for engaging.

No matter, won't be making that mistake again.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119093048#Comment_119093048

Well all it will take is a simple link and quote to correct that mistake

But no bother. Once again you've failed to backup the claim you made.

Noted.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119093069#Comment_119093069

The links are there, you choose not to read them 🤦‍♂️

Not much more I can say or do 🤷‍♂️

On that note, you'll be ignored from this point on. Laters 🙋‍♂️

0ph0rce0

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119092985#Comment_119092985

Spain have been getting heatwaves with extreme temps like that in around the mid to high 40's since the 1800's

I'm sure we'll be grand for a holiday there in 10 years.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119091939#Comment_119091939

What are you talking about?

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119093081#Comment_119093081

Read all of them them. Nothing there detailing your claim that

"They only answered the last items on the application a few months back "

You can slap yourself in the face and wave your arms around all you like, the fact is you still can't provide the specific link or quote. Odd. 🤔

But touche following the latest failing to back up that claim- we certainly can all avail of the best option which is to ignore all such bizarre and unsupported claims.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119093081#Comment_119093081

Good call.

Such a staggering amount of funding going into solar by the EU now. At this rate the market for fossil fuels is going to collapse a lot quicker than expected in Europe.

600GW of new solar by 2030, wow

https://reneweconomy.com.au/eu-hits-fast-forward-on-renewables-including-massive-deployment-of-solar/

The Commission proposes to increase the bloc’s headline 2030 target for renewables from 40% to 45% under the Fit for 55 package.

it proposes a target of 10 million tonnes of domestic renewable hydrogen production and 10 million tonnes of imports by 2030, to replace gas, coal and oil in industrial and transport sectors.

A 28-page dedicated EU Solar Strategy sets out how solar will be the “kingpin” of Europe’s decarbonsation and energy independence effort by adding more than 320GW of new PV capacity by 2025 and almost 600GW by 2030 – enough to displace 9 billion cubic metres of gas annually by 2027.

On the regulatory side, the Commission proposes to “tackle slow and complex permitting” for renewable projects, and a targeted amendment to the Renewable Energy Directive to recognise renewables as an overriding public interest.

The last paragraph is of particular interest. It looks like the renewable sector will be favoured, in planning terms, over the alternative. This alone will have huge impact from an investor perspective.

As an investor you could choose to wait up to 10 years to see profit from an oil or gas resource or 1-2 years from solar or wind. Given that the payback for solar is about 6-8 years, you would have your investment recouped in the time you would still be waiting for the permission to extract fossil fuels.

That alone will see huge amounts of private investment into the renewable energy sector.

Ireland ploughing ahead with a load of new solar farms

https://www.independent.ie/news/environment/solar-transformation-on-the-way-as-66-new-solar-farms-approved-to-supply-electricity-41672503.html

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119093126#Comment_119093126

Such a staggering amount of funding going into solar by the EU now...The last paragraph is of particular interest. It looks like the renewable sector will be favoured, in planning terms, over the alternative. This alone will have huge impact from an investor perspective.

As been pointed out previously on this thread by some, apparently you can't trust any of those dodgy private investors types

Anyway hopefully the planning process won't allow any more of the disasterous developments in environmentally sensitive areas as has previously happened with some of the high profile Windfarm developments here. With Ireland still getting fined on a daily basis by the EU for being in breach of proper planning because of those projects.

One thing for sure, the investors will be falling over themselves considering the obscene profits to be made due to the EU Marginal price policy which sets energy prices at the price of the most expensive component of any Energy supply mix.

More on the green policy which I think will be widely supported by the electorate

https://www.thejournal.ie/election-posters-6-5768998-May2022/