"Green" policies are destroying this country

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119164619#Comment_119164619

"China is the largest emitter because countries like Ireland want to buy their cheap stuff! We are the problem as much as China but you turf sniffers can't seem to understand this."

As pointed out its not simply "countries like Ireland". China with the largest population in the world has massive levels of consumerism of its own cheaply mass produced goods manufactured via coal powered energy.

But more importantly why do you seem to have issue with embargoing those imports? That gives impetus for producers and consumers alike to change to sustainable technologies. But noo its all the "turf sniffers" problem ffs. To paraphrase Green munchers can't seem to understand that. What gives?

Edit: Small scale nuclear reactors make nuclear energy generation a real prospect for countries like Ireland. .

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119166562#Comment_119166562

Except you forget the traditional mode of housing in Ireland has been dispersed settlement with a large proportion of the housing stock being made up of houses in such areas.

So unless you're suggesting we ditch much of the countrys stock of housing - you can forget herding those living in rural areas into dense urban developments

Widespread urban settlement is a relatively new phenomenon in Ireland with urban blight and associated socio economic problems being mainly a feature of the last half century.

There's no reason why rural living cannot be environmentally friendly especially where low density of population means that the environment is not being literally bulldozed into oblivion as with large-scale urbanisation.

You would think the greens would be supporting self sustainability for people in rural areas. But no a bit of it. Rural wastelands with wolves and companies selling cycling holidays a la Eamon Ryan seems to be the new order of the day.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119166562#Comment_119166562

Nope, if we are going to pick the worst thing you can build then 1 bed apartments win that one. At least if we build 2 and 3 bed apartments it would have more than 1 use case.

?Cee?view

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157605#Comment_119157605

Absolute scumbags

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119166562#Comment_119166562

Trouble is the overall lack of building. Until that is sorted bans against specific development types are virtue-signalling.

60MW battery system comes online

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-40889663.html

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168603#Comment_119168603

Even in terms of building, one-off housing is the worst option. Its a horrendous waste of resources with little societal benefit.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168567#Comment_119168567

absolute legends, their twitter account is hilarious, if only for the enraged men calling people out for fights if they ever go near their SUV! these things have no business in our towns and cities, hopefully the lentil movement will spread more and more.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119167426#Comment_119167426

small scale nuclear reactors don't exist, they won't exist either and even if they did, it would be decades before they would be financially viable for ireland to invest in and by that time comes we would already have a reliable cheap lean 100% renewable operated grid.

no matter what, domestic nuclear for ireland just isn't going to happen, it's not viable and the costs of 1 reactor would power the country multiple times over using something else.

the nuclear obsessives will have to find something else to thud thump over.

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168743#Comment_119168743

As things currently stand it is only option many will have.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168864#Comment_119168864

I wish people would stop banging on about nuclear as a solution for Ireland. The interconnector to France gives us nuclear anyway, as far as I know.

It would be politically impossible to have nuclear in Ireland we are incapable of large scale projects like this, look at the Metro, or the nonsense over cycle lanes. Even if we ever got nuclear it would be decades away, we don't have time if we want to meet targets.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168864#Comment_119168864

You wanna bet. They're already in development

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/23/business/romania-nuclear-power.html

I do wish people would stop sticking their heads in the sand about this. This type of nuclear energy generation will be a viable and likley a necessary option for Ireland in the future

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168926#Comment_119168926

domestic nuclear wouldn't be affordable anyway so everything else while a problem generally would be the least of nuclear's problems here.

agreed about the interconnector it is the best and only way to access nuclear power as we will get it at a cheap price because we won't have to produce it and france are happy to take our money.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119169050#Comment_119169050

no, the US is starting to develop one.

by the time such a reactor ever gets off the ground we will be a 100% renewable powered grid, powered backup and storage.

nuclear's time has come and gone for ireland and even then ireland realised the costs just didn't stack up.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168743#Comment_119168743

Little societal benefit?

Only someone with no knowledge of the country could claim that tbh

That also ignores the constant howls of some greens to herd everyone into high density hellholes with absolutely no societal benefit whatsoever.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119169092#Comment_119169092

Yup and as detailed small scale nuclear generation is in advanced development.

Current estimates give only 80% renewables by 2050. Powered backup and storage to scale required are still way off.

The costs of small scale Nuclear generation will have good payback for investment over time.

The first NuScale power module is expected be built by 2027 and the full 6-module plant is expected to be complete by 2028. 

Just a clarification re: targets & timelines for renewable energy in Ireland

The Climate Action Plan published on 4th November 2021 (CAP 21) has since increased the target to up to 80% renewable electricity by 2030.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/d746b-government-sets-policy-for-irelands-commercial-ports-to-develop-infrastructue-to-support-offshore-renewable-energy/#:~:text=The%20Programme%20for%20Government%20set,80%25%20renewable%20electricity%20by%202030.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119169136#Comment_119169136

small scale nuclear generation isn't in advanced development, it is in a very long and slow state of development that has only moved from it's multiple decade long state of not even off the ground very recently.

the costs of small scale nuclear generation are likely to only  have a slightly better pay back for investmentt then current nuclear, for the short to medium term, with that payback expected to increase only a small bit in the long term.

it will ultimately not be able to compete with with other forms of energy generation for ireland, who by the time any such reactor is built and operational and proven to work, will have persued a cost effective strategy of which nuclear could and would never be part of due to high cost, low yield.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119169319#Comment_119169319

Unfortunately you are misinformed. Not to write an essay but the US / Romanian small scale reactor timeline is expected be built by 2027 and the full 6-module plant is expected to be complete by 2028. 

Build and running costs have been shown to be considerably lower than traditional nuclear power generation.

And its nothing to due to "competition" with other forms of energy generation here - rather small scale nuclear will serve to compliment and backup other forms of energy generation but especially those renewable energy sources which remain unreliable for the immediate future

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119169173#Comment_119169173

Yeah you need to look at the wording on the government website which states

"2030

"Among the most critical measures in the plan is to increase the proportion of renewable electricity to up to 80% by 2030,"

So whilst up to that target figure is detailed - the likley hood is that we will not achieve anything like a full 80% by 2030 (ie 8 years away) with 2050 being a more realistic date for the target for 80% renewable.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119169742#Comment_119169742

i'm not misinformed at all, and the timescale and costs of that small scale nuclear reactor plant won't be met as it is just not possible.

the only real hope for nuclear now to have any ability to compete is fusion and that is a very long way off even with last year's break through.

renewables will back up renewables for a fraction of the cost of ridiculously high expensivity nuclear, but in the mean time there will be imported nuclear power from france.

small scale or big scale nuclear won't be happening in ireland, the costs will never add up.

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119169136#Comment_119169136

Quite honesty I'm not sure why SMRs even need that much R&D considering there's already off-the-shelf naval PWR designs.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119169941#Comment_119169941

Ah I see you know more than those who are responsible for the current development of small scale nuclear. Yeah that sounds legit.

The point is that unreliable renewables are not a reliable means of backing up other unreliable renewables.

This is a lesson that some proponents of renewables have yet to fully appreciate. That and nuclear technologies have moved on in terms of scale, investment and return making old arguments against the use of nuclear energy generation effectively null and void

vickers209

Anyone know if the consultation with the eu over the banning of bituminous coal, wet logs, turf ect has finished yet,

think it was to be finalised by end of may by eu and then could be put into law here for 1st September,

Mr Ryan cant wait to get hes turf ban over the line id say

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170095#Comment_119170095

the changes nuclear technology have gone through have only been in terms of the design of the reactor but in terms of scale, cost and efficiency, only the cost has gone up and will continue to do so while everything else only changes incrementaly.

non-governmental sources who would have once provided investment in nuclear are moving away from it quickly due to low and getting lower returns and are moving to renewbles, and as well as that only a couple of sources have designs, some of those sources are ones we wouldn't want involved such as china and russia meaning the only option to build is EDF and the latest french reactor designs are having problems.

so, in conclusion, nuclear is dead in ireland and isn't going to happen.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170279#Comment_119170279

No. Costs for the new technology Small Modular Reactors have been calculated to be about 1 tenth of the price of traditional nuclear power plants.

Small Modular Reactors are not only less expensive and easier to build than traditional nuclear reactors but also provide for cheaper nuclear power electricity generation.

Like renewables - future investment in energy generation via SMRs will likley be at least be partially by private investment and equity with returns and profits being made on the electricity generated and sold to the grid.

The current US developed SMRs shows that dependence on Russia and China is certainly not required for nuclear energy technology. That is unlike the huge amounts of renewable technologies that the west is currently dependent on from China

Recent surveys have shown that bias against nuclear power generation is much less prevalent in people under 40. And that means that despite the old and now largely defunct arguments - nuclear power generation will most likley play an essential role in the future of energy generation here

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170451#Comment_119170451

they have been calculated to be at least 50% and that is the absolute best case but more likely it will be 60 or 70%.

private investment is moving away from nuclear, that has been shown in this or possibly one of the other threads on the site because the costs are high but the yield low.

there are no developed SMRS currently, even the reactors for naval use wouldn't be really small scale.

any small scale moduler reactor that is being developed is only in the R&D stage.

either way nuclear won't be happening in ireland because ireland isn't suited to domestic nuclear and the costs don't add up.

whether people under 40 are bothered about nuclear  or not isn't relevant because the powers that be here know the reality that it is a technology of a by-gone era.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170614#Comment_119170614

And yet we know that the Romanian US SMR project is in process with the first power module is expected be built by 2027 and the full 6-module plant is expected to be complete by 2028. The cost of the entire development has been calculated to come in at approx 1 tenth of the price of a traditional type Nuclear power station

Private investment will go where the money is and currently that is directed at profits from energy generation via alternative methods of energy generation and new technology SMR is very much ontrack to be one of those alternatives, but more importantly one which is urgently required to help provide backup for unreliable renewable energy generation

I think you're overstating the case by substituting who you think the "powers that be" with what is known about real changes in public attitudes towards the usefulness and need for new technology SMRs.

Lets agree that ultimately time will tell which is correct.

therapist3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168784#Comment_119168784

I live in a city and need an suv for work

The lentil movement will destroy us

therapist3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168926#Comment_119168926

So you're accepting that nuclear is in the solution, about time, thank you.