"Green" policies are destroying this country

Kermit.de.frog

This is where all the bullshit comes back to hit us all in the face. No LNG and unable now to seek resources like gas in our own territory so we end up in a forever existential threat to the state - because the green party D4 crowd say so.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2022/06/24/cold-cold-winter-in-store-as-a-potential-energy-crisis-looms-in-ireland/

Banana Republic 1

https://podcasts.apple.com/ie/podcast/science-weekly/id136697669?i=1000567454278

Was Eamon right

Yellowstone is bigger than any Irish county, its also bigger than 2 US states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_National_Park

Yellowstone National Park spans an area of 3,468.4 sq mi (8,983 km2)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_counties_by_area

Banana Republic 1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119246895#Comment_119246895

Listen to the podcast there talking about the uk and Europe

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119247361#Comment_119247361

There is a good reason that vermin such as wolves have been wiped out in this country centuries ago, they won't stay in wildlife parks since the deer notice the wolves in the neighbourhood, that is not good place to hang out and move. the wolves also tend to focus on the easiest available prey. In the case of Ireland and the UK, should they be introduced that will be cattle and sheep and eventually people who cross their territory.

In North America

• Wolf attacks continue on North Park cows as rancher fights for compensation and hazing methods fail
• 143 sheep suffocate in pileup while fleeing two wolves in Idaho: "The wolves scared the hell out of" the flock
• Time consuming wolf tracking falls to ranchers as collars fail
• Wolf reportedly attacks pet dog in Sooke, B.C.
• ‘They are absolutely huge:’ Wolves attack in Northern Saskatchewan as animals lose fear of humans

In Europe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UItoZ20D_vg

• European farmers highlight growing concern of wolf attacks on livestock
• Wolf attacks in Wallonia: 30 sheep in one month
• 'It's a plague': Croatian farmers incensed by wolf attacks
• Unique footage shows family of eight wolves trotting past a wildlife camera

Here is how the wolf becomes habituated to humans when re-introduced. (translation)

Wolves’ “7 stages of habituation”

Canadian wolf researcher, biologist, Valerius Geist is not surprised that wolves are increasingly encroaching. “If people don’t fight back, the wolves will win,” he says. See Nordkurier here. Though lone wolves may appear timid and harmless at first, Geist warns attacks on humans are preceded by what he calls the “seven stages of habituation”:

Stage 1: Deer and other prey like wild boar appear more often in villages or cities as they flee from the wolf.

Stage 2: Wolves appear at human dwellings, especially at night. Wolves can be heard howling by residents. This means they are moving closer.

Stage 3: Wolves show themselves during the day. “This is currently the case almost every day in the German state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania,” reports Nordkurier here. “They observe people doing their daily chores and even learn how to open garden gates by simply watching them, for example, says Valerius Geist.”

Stage 4: They attack dogs and farm animals near houses – even during the day. At this point, the wolves have learned that they can do so without consequences.

Stage 5: Farm animals attacked more frequently. Farmers are not allowed to shoot the wolves because they are strictly protected.

Stage 6: Wolves appear to be tame and may “nudge walkers with their noses” and can be chased away – but they don’t go very far. According to Geist and the Nordkurier: “They are just beginning to discover humans as prey and testing how they behave when attacked.”

Stage 7: The wolves have lost all their shyness towards humans, who at this point are now on the menu.

In addition cattle and sheep behaviour towards people and farmers changes with the re-introduction of the wolf, this has been observed in Idaho and many states across the United States where wolf populations have been allowed to expand. Today in Ireland cattle and sheep are mostly docile towards people, you can walk across a field, aside from curiosity they are not really bothered about you, just keep away from bulls and cows nursing calves. Once the wolf attacks begin they adopt a defensive posture and attack farmers and sheep dogs that previously herded them, it is much more dangerous and harder to control livestock as a consequence.

Do you think you are going to be able to ride a bicycle in the countryside with the wolf around? Yes you can but you now have a new threat to think about, the farmer are not going to give up and they are going to introduce counter measures. One of these counter measures are new breeds of livestock protection dog, they will be the more bigger, louder and more aggressive types.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-zaYFDEZa8

Do you think introducing the wolf to a constituency where people don't vote for you is free? Well think again, farmers are going to want compensation. This means unproductive tax payer funded red tape bureaucracy and compensation for farmers due to livestock death and injury. Costs that don't exist without the wolf. Today cattle are the most dangerous animals on this Island and kill most people each year, introduce wolves and the countryside becomes a much more aggressive area to venture into.

Banana Republic 1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119247658#Comment_119247658

It’s a13 minute podcast listen to it. That wolf was only going into lidl for a chainsaw!

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119247746#Comment_119247746

It's DRM protected and I'm not going to make the effort to bypass that since this is from the Guardian and will conform to a preordained script favoured by its audience. That script will be wolves are wonderful, invoke the myth of wolves at US Yellowstone park while ignoring other factors, gloss over any problems caused by wolves, incite the mandatory global warming mantra (it is the Guardian), and humans are in the way of letting the countryside revert to their imagined wild paradise.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119247746#Comment_119247746

Did you listen to it ? If you did then I cannot see why you thought it somehow backed up yet another of Ryan`s nap time dreams.

Even the interviewee acknowledged that as far as Yellowstone was concerned any ecological improvements that did occur with the introduction of wolves had more to do with the media over romanticising the wolf than any effect wolves had.

For the U.K. the best case she could make for their reintroduction was the awe they would inspire. That awe would be from those large urban dwellers I imagine who could drive out to the countryside for the day to be suitably awed before driving home and leaving rural communities to deal with the slaughter and havoc.

Does Ryan somehow believe that wolves are vegetarians rather than predatory carnivores that stalk, hunt and kill in packs, and will eat the flesh and meat of any animal, humans included ?

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119247658#Comment_119247658

Great post. Just to add that farms are Ireland`s most dangerous workplace, and where years ago bulls were responsible for many of the deaths and injuries, nowadays the vast majority of such are due to cows. Primarily as you say, cows nursing calves. Two of the breeds that have grown in prominence here over that period are Saler and Aubrac. Both docile breeds but upon calving are extremely protective of their calves and will attack anyone or anything that gets close. Both these breeds come originally from regions of France where there were, and still to a lesser degree, wolves.

I would not look at it as sheer coincidence that as the numbers of both breeds have increased, so have the injuries and deaths caused by cows. Other than this being due to generational memory in these two breeds as regards wolves when calves are at their most vulnerable, I do not see any other explanation. We already have far to many injuries and deaths on farms from cows without adding to it by wolves causing the same reaction from other breeds of cattle, let alone the wholesale slaughter wolves are capable of inflicting.

All Ryan with his rambling on wolves and lynx has shown is that when it comes to rural communities and agriculture, the greens and their fellow runners do not have an iota between them.

Banana Republic 1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119248041#Comment_119248041

DRM protected 🙄, it’s a podcast downloadable on any player, you don’t even have to download it you could stream it. Why did you engage in the first place.

it seems some posters here can’t read , my OP was, “Was Eamon right” it’s a question.

The Thanks be to Jesus crew at the bottom agreeing with you, Having no clue what your arguing against, and how could they, classic . 🤦‍♂️

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119248522#Comment_119248522

Without listening to it the poster summed it up very well. The only thing he missed out on was that it was nothing more than a nonsense where even the person being interviewed made it clear the media romanticised the ecological value of wolves in Yellowstone which has lead to the gullible swallowing and attempting to further the myth, and that for the U.K. there was nothing other than the same type of romanticism to be said for them from those that did not have to live anywhere near them. The urban day-tripper.

I really do not see why you are having a go at anyone who didn`t listen to your link. It doesn`t appear you listened to it yourself but rather just jump on the title hoping it proved your little boy Jesus Eamon had for once got something right, when all it shows is just again how wrong he is.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119248522#Comment_119248522

Before you take off on a wolf howling tour, have a read of these Amazon reviews. Did you ever consider why we have dog control laws in this country? Dog packs cause havoc especially in Spring lambing season, right now in the Phoenix Park all dogs must be under control, especially with the deer giving birth. Yet with that information at hand, some lunatics are proposing to let wolves have free reign across the country . . .

Banana Republic 1

Some posters have doubled down on not reading part of my last two posts so once again my OP had the words,

”Was Eamon right” it’s a question not a statement,

use your eyes and engage yer brains

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119248903#Comment_119248903

Keep your wolves under control . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIh0kMPdlUc

SeanW

For the poster who asked: "Who on this thread said Nuclear was not a valuable part of the energy mix? Or that 'Weather based renewables' should be the sole energy supply" ... mainstream Green dogma is that nuclear power is bad and should not be considered (despite the fact that it's basically the only way to make near-zero CO2 energy when the wind isn't blowing or the sun isn't shining. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. It is policies that mainstream environmentalists have helped to shape, that has caused Europe to be needlessly dependent of Putler's Russia for gas much more than would have been needed had we instead focused on genuine alternatives.

Most sources agree that the amount of money the EU is paying Russia for natural gas is still high, on par with what was happening before 24 February. All of which is being used to slaughter Ukrainians. https://news.yahoo.com/kyiv-mayor-says-european-payments-134934558.html

Imagine if we'd had LNG terminals, gas storage and were expanding, rather than retreating from the use of nuclear energy? We might not now be subsidising a wholesale genocide against a fellow European nation and its people. Thanks Greens.

As to Eamon Ryan, great he's passed legislation limiting CO2 from electricity generation. Except that no amount of legislation is going to make the wind blow for his ridiculous turbines nor the sun shine for solar panels. Nor will it magically create a the kind of storage technologies that would be required to actually use renewables that are literally as dependable as the weather. At least King Canute had the good sense to recongise that he could not keep out the tide.

As this total lunacy about bringing in wolves, at best this is a solution in search of a problem - and that's being generous. If wolves were artificially introduced into Ireland, people, pets and livestock would be needlessly killed. So, yeah, I'd say we can do without it, thanks very much. The fact that this even needs to be pointed out is to mind extremely concerning, let alone that headbangers trying to do this are actually in power.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119248903#Comment_119248903

If that is what you are asking then listen to your own link. It makes it clear, ( while avoiding even the most basic questions), that yet again Eamon was incorrect.

The podcast states they may have overestimated the regeneration by a factor of 4 but they dont really know because 'studying ecosystems is hard'. But its irrelevant to us anyway. Ireland and the UK has no countryside large enough to create a natural wolf habitat big enough to allow genetic diversity.

The propaganda is about using the wolf to deal with our deer problem. They make it sound like deer numbers are too high. Too high for what? and where? They also blather on about Sika deer being alien. Its just Deer multiculturalism. Dont be racist. Wolves arent and will not eradicate them nor choose to eat Sika over red deer.

Rewilding up to 20% of Ireland sounds great if it didnt mean human population displacement. It will never happen without totalitarian methods unless the human population is allowed to naturally decrease - as it would be doing now if it werent for massive inward migration. Another complete and utter failure at sustainability by the greens.

Yes Ryan is wrong about wolves. He is also wrong about the biggest hurdle to decreasing Irelands total CO2 emissions by his statement that Ireland should 'embrace a population of 10 million'.

The greens are destroying the earth while claiming to save it.

Banana Republic 1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119250513#Comment_119250513

“if it werent for massive inward migration”

The playing card made of straw, and 👍 from the crew to boot, classic 🤦‍♂️

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119248903#Comment_119248903

You may not know this. Questions are denoted by the use of a "?" at the end of the sentence. Otherwise that sentence constitutes a (rather odd) statement.

To quote yourself "Use your eyes and engage your brains"

But going on past form Eamon hardly knows his left from his right imho.

The whole lets bring back wolves thing is nothing but a large smelly red herring used by some greens to divert attention away from the disaster zone of green policies.

Agreement between EU states reached last night will see the following

• a 2035 phase-out of new fossil fuel car sales, including a law requiring new cars sold in the EU to emit zero CO2 from 2035. That would make it impossible to sell internal-combustion engine cars.
• a multibillion-euro (59 billion) fund to shield poorer citizens from CO2 costs.
• a new EU carbon market to impose CO2 costs on polluting fuels used in transport and buildings, though they said it should launch in 2027, a year later than initially planned.
• reforms to the EU's current carbon market, which forces industry and power plants to pay when they pollute.
• Countries accepted core elements of the commission’s proposal to reinforce the market to cut emissions 61 per cent by 2030, and extend it to cover shipping. 

As regards hybrids and alternative fuels, it was stated "hybrids did not deliver sufficient emissions cuts and alternative fuels were prohibitively expensive."

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2022/06/29/eu-countries-reach-climate-crisis-deal-after-late-night-talks/

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267745#Comment_119267745

All that says to me is prepare for more taxes.

59 billion find to shield poor citizens.

i.e taxes taxes taxes taxes

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267770#Comment_119267770

Who knows. We are on a road to quite uncertain times. It is quite possible that people will have different problems to solve and all this CO2 nonsense would fade away. EU will not be looking the same by 2035 and there is a possibility it may not even exist by that time.

Fandymo

Let the people pay!!!

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119268888#Comment_119268888

And I would wager there large scale UPS are Diesel generators and not huge battery banks.

Pa ElGrande

https://twitter.com/RadioGenova/status/1541725369572655104

EXPLAINER: Why are Dutch farmers so angry over their Government’s emissions plans?

The government (Netherlands) has published a map with reduction targets across the country based on proximity to areas designated as part of the EU's Natura 2000 network of vulnerable and endangered plant and animal habitats. There are Natura 2000 sites across the 27 member states, covering 18% of the bloc's land area and 8% of its marine territory.

On its website, the European Commission says conservation and sustainable use of Natura 2000 areas is “largely centered on people working with nature rather than against it. However, Member States must ensure that the sites are managed in a sustainable manner, both ecologically and economically.”

Meanwhile in Ireland mosey on over to the parks and wildlife service about Natura 2000

Natura 2000 is a European network of important ecological sites. The EU Habitats Directive (92/43/EEC) placed an obligation on Member States of the EU to establish the Natura 2000 network. The network is made up of Special Protection Areas (SPAs), established under the EU Birds Directive (79/409/EEC), and SACs, established under the Habitats Directive itself. Ireland's contribution to Natura 2000 is being created under the European Communities (Natural Habitats) Regulations, 1997 (S.I. 94 of 1997 as amended by S.I. 233 of 1998 and S.I. 378 of 2005). These regulations transpose the EU directives into Irish national Law.

What are the EU bureaucrats at?

Green Deal: pioneering proposals to restore Europe's nature by 2050 and halve pesticide use by 2030

The targets proposed include:

Reversing the decline of pollinator populations by 2030 and increasing their populations from there on,

No net loss of green urban spaces by 2030, a 5% increase by 2050, a minimum of 10% tree canopy cover in every European city, town, and suburb, and net gain of green space that is integrated to buildings and infrastructure,

In agricultural ecosystems, overall increase of biodiversity, and a positive trend for grassland butterflies, farmland birds, organic carbon in cropland mineral soils and high-diversity landscape features on agricultural land.

Restoration and rewetting of drained peatlands under agricultural use and in peat extraction sites,

In forest ecosystems, overall increase of biodiversity and a positive trend for forest connectivity, deadwood, share of uneven-aged forests, forest birds and stock of organic carbon,

Restoring marine habitats such as seagrasses or sediment bottoms, and restoring the habitats of iconic marine species such as dolphins and porpoises, sharks and seabirds,

Removing river barriers so that at least 25 000 km of rivers would be turned into free-flowing rivers by 2030.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119269968#Comment_119269968

The targets proposed include:

Reversing the decline of pollinator populations by 2030 and increasing their populations from there on,

No net loss of green urban spaces by 2030, a 5% increase by 2050, a minimum of 10% tree canopy cover in every European city, town, and suburb, and net gain of green space that is integrated to buildings and infrastructure,

In agricultural ecosystems, overall increase of biodiversity, and a positive trend for grassland butterflies, farmland birds, organic carbon in cropland mineral soils and high-diversity landscape features on agricultural land.

Restoration and rewetting of drained peatlands under agricultural use and in peat extraction sites,

In forest ecosystems, overall increase of biodiversity and a positive trend for forest connectivity, deadwood, share of uneven-aged forests, forest birds and stock of organic carbon,

Restoring marine habitats such as seagrasses or sediment bottoms, and restoring the habitats of iconic marine species such as dolphins and porpoises, sharks and seabirds,

Removing river barriers so that at least 25 000 km of rivers would be turned into free-flowing rivers by 2030.

Are these supposed to be bad things because they're not

Another reason why one-off housing in rural areas is a terrible idea and should be stopped

RTE news : More than half of domestic septic tanks fail inspection

http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0630/1307619-septic-tanks-epa/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%93present_Sri_Lankan_economic_crisis#Agricultural_crisis

Sri Lanka had been self-sufficient in rice production with imports limited to specialty rice such as Basmati, In April 2021, President Gotabaya Rajapaksa announced that Sri Lanka will only allow organic farming, banning inorganic fertilizers and agrochemicals-based fertilizers. The drop in tea production as a result of the fertilizer ban alone resulted in economic losses of around $425 million and created a https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/29/as-sri-lanka-economic-crisis-worsens-daily-wage-workers-strugglereversing previously achieved self-sufficiency in rice production and the country was forced to import rice for $450 million

On 29 May 2022 the government stated that the Yala season cultivation would fail with a forecast of 50% of the maximum harvest 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/29/as-sri-lanka-economic-crisis-worsens-daily-wage-workers-struggle

Sri Lanka restricted the sale of fuel on Monday, providing it only for essential services till July 10. The desperate move was taken as the island nation has run short of foreign currency to buy fuel.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119270245#Comment_119270245

More reasons why urban and suburban housing areas are a terrible idea and should be stopped:

https://www.evoqua.com/en-GB/articles/irish-water-tackles-crypto-threat-in-stillorgan/

The Vartry Water Supply Scheme provides drinking water for over 200,000 consumers in the City of Dublin, Ireland. It was constructed in the 1860s

http://www.greaterdublindrainage.com/history-of-dublin-drainage/

The period between 1851 and 1880 saw the construction of a substantial network of new sewers,

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/state-of-dublin-sewerage-system-1.484976

All sewerage systems in Dublin city and most systems in the greater Dublin region have reached or exceeded their capacity and require "immediate" upgrading, the Greater Dublin Strategic Drainage Study has found.

The sewerage network, parts of which are more than 100 years old, has become "completely overwhelmed" as a result of the population growth and expansion of Dublin city.

The system is unable to deal with the volumes of sewage now produced, but its capacity is also diminished by leaks in older pipes that allowed ground-water to infiltrate the system, the study found, resulting in frequent flooding and sewage spills at times of heavy rainfall.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119270884#Comment_119270884

Sri Lanka's situation is not that simple

• Trade deficit
• Low reserves of foreign currencies
• Tieing the Sri Lanka rupee value to the dollar
• A collapse of tourism due to terrorist attacks in 2019 particularly impacted the second item above
• Mismanagement of central funds by the govt
• Populist but costly social programmes were rolled out which they couldn't afford to keep going but kept going anyway
• Covid
• Supply chain issues
• The Russian invasion led to the cost of food and energy imports sky rocketing

and so on

They then untied the value of their currency which saw it drop through the floor and worsened everything.

The issue you highlighted is absolutely a problem in how it was implemented, not disputing that but its one item on a long list of bad decisions and poor luck that have f'ed up its economy.

Its the first in what is going to be a long list of countries that are going to default due to mismanagement. Next up, Pakistan, Lebanon, Eritrea etc